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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
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Posted - 2013.05.20 23:16:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Now then, what I propose: We keep the "Grenadier" skill as is, but we cut the damage on all grenades, and then add proficiency skills for the different grenade types.
Dude... I'm so smart. I actually quite like that. It allows for entry level followed by specialisation. As much as I would hate for my locus grenades to get an initial nerf, the idea is good. I could support this idea too. Set it up so that Grenadier is just an SP sink skill (or make it work like Demo does for Explosives) and then have each type have its own skill. If they did this though, the multiplier should be reduced to compensate for the SP sink of Grenadier. This solution is better than the one I suggested. +1 to you good sir.
Credit sloth, it was his idea. |
Full Metal Kitten
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
420
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Posted - 2013.05.20 23:18:00 -
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Laheon wrote:I'd argue more for about 7-10 AV grenades for a standard tank, possibly about 5-6 for a militia one, with one for a militia LAV, or three for a Logi LAV. Depending on fits, of course. This is, of course, with a general nerf to AV nades, in line for FG and swarm damage. Proto FG's should be able to take out a standard tank within 3-4 hits, with damage mods, two for a logi LAV. Swarms should take 6-7 full swarms to take out the standard tank, with again, three for a logi LAV.
Survey says! XXX! What grenade and swarm launcher variant is your baseline here? 
I'm not a tanker, but I suspended my Tryhard skill progression to co-specialize in at minimum advanced AV. The bottom line on why Uprising feels better than Chromosome (with the exception of starter clown cars) is that tanks don't pubstomp every damn match anymore. Good tankers still dominate, and scrubs go down as flaming wrecks. It's kind of refreshing to see all the QQ about TARs that used to be reserved for tanks.
Balancing is an ongoing and delicate job, but all the crying about nerfing AV nades is weak. People shouldn't be able to sustain dedicated upper tier tanking solo, in battle or ISK wise. If your tank is surrounded by infantry with AV nades you're doing it wrong.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.05.20 23:19:00 -
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I wouldn't mind a split in grenade skills, it would allow grenades to gain different benifits such as blast radius, seek range, or EMP strength ect ect. |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
576
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Posted - 2013.05.20 23:25:00 -
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Full Metal Kitten wrote:Survey says! XXX! What grenade and swarm launcher variant is your baseline here? I'm not a tanker, but I suspended my Tryhard skill progression to co-specialize in at minimum advanced AV. The bottom line on why Uprising feels better than Chromosome (with the exception of starter clown cars) is that tanks don't pubstomp every damn match anymore. Good tankers still dominate, and scrubs go down as flaming wrecks. It's kind of refreshing to see all the QQ about TARs that used to be reserved for tanks. Balancing is an ongoing and delicate job, but all the crying about nerfing AV nades is weak. People shouldn't be able to sustain dedicated upper tier tanking solo, in battle or ISK wise. If your tank is surrounded by infantry with AV nades you're doing it wrong.
Very true, regarding all points, which is why I included the disclaimer about ratios. On the other hand, I feel that having FG's use the same number of rounds to take out pretty much anything as the number of AV nades tossed at it (don't ask about meta levels, can't really remember) is a bit unbalanced. Why is dedicated AV less powerful against the thing it's countering than an all-round suit?
That's more of a general AV balance complaint rather than any specific. For example, I've seen the free LAV take three grenades before blowing up, whereas six of the same were used to blow up a militia HAV. The above would suggest that a logi LAV would take the same effort to blow up as the militia HAV. The balance doesn't seem quite right to me.
So, again, more of a general AV/vehicle balance, rather than specifics. |
Polish Hammer
Conspiratus Immortalis
League of Infamy
433
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Posted - 2013.05.20 23:27:00 -
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+1 for constructive discussion thread
Like a damn oasis in a desert.
The whole splitting categories idea could be an interesting thing. There could quite the variation of grenade types..... |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
181
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Posted - 2013.05.20 23:28:00 -
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Polish Hammer wrote:+1 for constructive discussion thread
Like a damn oasis in a desert.
The whole splitting categories idea could be an interesting thing. There could quite the variation of grenade types.....
If we get even more variations on grenades, we need a grenadier dropsuit. |
Vsor
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2013.05.20 23:31:00 -
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"...so the HAV-game is a bit gimped as it is..." Knew where this was going right away. AV needs a better role definition. I personally think the game should support what people do naturally, and that is the stalking and hunting aspect of tank killing. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
79
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Posted - 2013.05.20 23:31:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Polish Hammer wrote:+1 for constructive discussion thread
Like a damn oasis in a desert.
The whole splitting categories idea could be an interesting thing. There could quite the variation of grenade types..... If we get even more variations on grenades, we need a grenadier dropsuit.
I'm all for it. Get your throwing arms ready ladies.
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Vsor wrote:"...so the HAV-game is a bit gimped as it is..." Knew where this was going right away. AV needs a better role definition. I personally think the game should support what people do naturally, and that is the stalking and hunting aspect of tank killing.
The hunt is the best part. Makes the damn tank busting that much more satisfying. +1 |
Polish Hammer
Conspiratus Immortalis
League of Infamy
433
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Posted - 2013.05.20 23:35:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Vsor wrote:"...so the HAV-game is a bit gimped as it is..." Knew where this was going right away. AV needs a better role definition. I personally think the game should support what people do naturally, and that is the stalking and hunting aspect of tank killing. The hunt is the best part. Makes the damn tank busting that much more satisfying. +1
Oh lawd, this. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
79
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Posted - 2013.05.20 23:41:00 -
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Polish Hammer wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Vsor wrote:"...so the HAV-game is a bit gimped as it is..." Knew where this was going right away. AV needs a better role definition. I personally think the game should support what people do naturally, and that is the stalking and hunting aspect of tank killing. The hunt is the best part. Makes the damn tank busting that much more satisfying. +1 Oh lawd, this.
Brown chicken, brown cow. |
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