You know, if you've spent six million SP, and you still suck, and other people around you are doing the same thing as you but better, there's only one conclusion to draw.

Spoiler: It's nothing to do with CCP.

I'm not sure why this thread descended into name calling, but I sort of agree with the OP. If you let an infantryman get that close to you, and let him land 3-4 AV grenades on you in quick succession without instantly hitting reverse (Don't try and outgun him, he's tiny, and you're very, very easy to hit)... You totally deserve to die.

I've seen plenty of tankers with militia fit tanks, myself included, go upward of 30\0 because I played it LIKE A TANK. If you play it like it's a giant battering ram and drive into the middle of the map\battle... well that was a waste of 150K isk. If you however hang around the edges, keep yourself hulldown and place fire where it's NEEDED not where the squishies are, you'll get loads of kills. Also get a crew, even if they just sit on their hands. They will protect your tank up close. Make sure one can call a logistic LAV too and watch your tank become nothing short of invincible.

Dedicated AV fits SHOULD put the fear of god in your because he's made to kill you and YOU SPECIFICALLY. You should not be able to stand a chance again him, just like nothing else stands a chance against you. You can't have your cake AND eat it. You kill with impunity, then someone can kill you with impunity Fair's fair.

Learn actual real life tank tactics and get out of the mindset that Battlefield 2/3 has ingrained in you. Tanks ARE vulnerable to infantry. Infantry are the hard counter to EVERY vehicle in war, especially real life. Apply that to Dust and you'll keep your tanks a little longer.

Just ignore Anmol and Charlotte. Neither of them know anything about tanking.

In chromosome they could almost survive. Now that things got slightly ougher for them, everything is wrong with world.

Just ignore Anmol and Charlotte. Neither of them know anything about tanking.

In chromosome they could almost survive. Now that things got slightly ougher for them, everything is wrong with world.

Sigh, another uneducated player who obviously doesn't play as dedicated vehicles or AV. The only people who should be talking about balance is the Maxed out Vehicle Players and Maxed out AVers, so that we can discuss all levels of balance. So, proto LAV drivers, Proto Dropship Pilots, "Proto" Tankers (So Enforcers atm, eventually proto) and Proto Forge, Swarm and Cannon players.

When it is very easy to get 10-40 kills with 0-1 deaths in a single game as a LAV driver, something is wrong, especially considering it is easier to fight in that than it is my HAV. When it takes a single AR player 3 AV grenades to take off 80% of my HAVs HP, yet I can take double that in my LAV and still survive that swarm hit, something is very wrong.

It is not so much that AV is "overpowered" than, Grenades are too strong for what they are, and vehicles do not have proper tiers compared to AV. A Proto forge should and does dominate a Standard Vehicle solo. A Proto swarm massacres Standard Armor vehicles, A proto plasma cannon does not dominate any shield based vehicle and should be addressed. This is all fine, but we only have standard vehicles, we have nothing better than standard. Sure we have specialized vehicles such as the Assault and Logistic Dropship, the Scout and Logistic LAV and the Enforcer Tank, all of these are effectively advanced vehicles, only the Logi LAV is any good in my eyes.

Then you look at certain vehicles, such as the Dropship, a completely nerfed vehicle that receives constant nerfs and no love from CCP, it is shocking. Thankfully CCP fixed it so instead of one shotting it, I now have to fire twice when using my railgun.

The Enforcer Tank, has reduced CPU and PG, with an additional low slot for the Caldari and a High Slot for the Gallente, for an extra million ISK. That is like me giving you a STD Assault suit and then offering you a new proto assault suit with one extra slot, with the CPU/PG of a Militia Suit and then charging you 10x the Standard suits price. Now don't get me wrong we get a slight damage buff to a weapon that the race uses, but its not worth the extra mil.

Tankers shouldn't solo, you're right in that regard, but neither should AV players, yet they do. I run with my squad, I support yet I get ****** by a solo AVer in the distance because my guys don't have the range to hit them before they hit me. And we're still also focusing on just Public Matches, Corp Matches, a Tank is better suited to the red line, or long distance sniping, is that what we should be? Snipers that you can solo for your enjoyment if we ever leave the redline? We shouldn't cost near 2mil just to be an expensive pi+¦ata.

Long Post short, do not attempt to get involved saying how vehicles and AV are balanced until you have specialized into the skills for AV or Vehicles, when proper AVers and Pilots talk, they can be very constructive and the good AVers agree Tanks are far too weak, they are not a challenge when matched against proto AV.

This thread need to be locked because is too smart

i advise you to spend 6m sp into tanks and survive 1 person with av nades and a nano..

get your self a tampon cuz it seems like your on your period...

get your self a tampon cuz it seems like your on your period...

I invested 0 SP into tanks and run militia fits. Not once has a single person destroyed my tank. If your getting blown up by AV Grenades you must be doing it wrong. /shrug

I love switching to my proto forge when tanks spawn in as reaping their tears and screams as they burn alive inside there metal coffins is the only reason I play these days.

They think because they spend more isk they should be an indestructible one man army like in chromosome, tank balancing has felt just about right with uprising i've been able to solo kill many proto tankers or at least drive them off to the red line. Its made forge gun fun again.

We don't have "Proto" Tanks.

It's not that we spend more ISK so we should be indestructible. It feels right because you can solo us for you, right? Look at it like this.

Militia Forge > Standard Forge > Advanced Forge > Prototype Forge
Militia Tank > Standard Tank (Gunnlogi/Madrugar) > Enforcer/Marauder > No Prototype Tank.

And to call the Enforcer/Marauder Tanks Advanced is being generous.

Ok then that's fair enough, I used the word proto to describe your current best tanks you can use. So basically im using a proto assault forge with X2 10% damage mods and forge proficiency level 5 for another 15% vs your Advanced tanks, well then the damage I feel I do to these advanced tanks feels pretty much perfect then, takes me 5 shots to kill one.

They don't need buffing, ccp just needs to add your mauraders back. 6 months time I believe

....So a 150k proto av setup can kill your 1500k tank setup? Well, that's just like how a 15k standard fit with flux can kill a 150k proto shield fit. Deal with it.

I run a ~16k AV setup. I'm not running those hacked AV grenades.

I've yet to run into a tank I can't kill unless runs away as fast as it can and hides in the redline.

AV is stupid strong.

What a load of bollocks, please tell me how you kill a fully fitted enforcer tank with 3 AV grenades. Get out.

Av is op!? Do you know how long it takes to crack a decent tank without a root vegetable driving it with proto swarms!? And don't get me started on shield tanks with a great tanker inside of the bugger.

Op says tanks have thousands of HP
* looks at the damage packed AV nades do which is around 1500 per grenade, looks at fact that 1 person can carry 3*
And people say stuff like that is balanced