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Mister0Zz
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.19 11:03:00 -
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I find it odd that such a large hole, information missed by most, was so thoroughly exploited by a single entity. Information that a member of the CPM would be privy to. Now I'm not saying anyone told their corp about this function, while neglecting to tell the general public in order to get an edge. I'm just saying that if someone were to do that, it would be a gross misuse of their position. |
J-Lewis
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
89
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Posted - 2013.05.19 11:12:00 -
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"Guys, I know something about something, I can't tell you because it's a secret something; but it's definitely a big deal and it condemns a member of the CPM."
Would you like to elaborate on that? |
Ryder Azorria
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
333
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Posted - 2013.05.19 11:13:00 -
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Yay... Goonspiricy Dust edition...
Out of curiosity, what piece of probably publically available information are you referring too? |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
178
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Posted - 2013.05.19 14:20:00 -
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What large hole? What did I miss? |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1572
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Posted - 2013.05.19 14:22:00 -
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Guys, you realize we're not the first guys to do this, right?
I mean, I'm not one to take credit where it's not due, and the AWOXing was discovered a day or two before we employed it by another Corporation.
We just decided we had to take the opportunity to see if it worked.
Only thing I'm pissed about is only being able to play EVE atm, but at least I got to laugh along with everyone when they all loaded in and saw the scoreboard. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
321
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Posted - 2013.05.19 14:23:00 -
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Mister0Zz for CPM. |
Yay Adski
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
237
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Posted - 2013.05.19 14:25:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:What large hole? What did I miss? Jenza did the dirty with a member of CCP to get on CPM. She then got CCP/CPM only info and used it to benefit her corp/alliance. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1572
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Posted - 2013.05.19 14:26:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Mister0Zz for CPM. He's so well informed, isn't he? |
jenza aranda
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1370
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Posted - 2013.05.19 14:26:00 -
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it doesnt take a genius to realise that getting a squad into a match with a spy is possible. Maybe its because i have played eve that i decided to go for it.
Exactly what information you thought i had to make awoxing possible that was not available to anyone else? |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3110
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Posted - 2013.05.19 14:29:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:it doesnt take a genius to realise that getting a squad into a match with a spy is possible. Maybe its because i have played eve that i decided to go for it.
Exactly what information you thought i had to make awoxing possible that was not available to anyone else?
Right or wrong, it definitely sheds light on the need for a battle commander to be able to boot players who aren't doing their jobs. This honestly goes hand in hand with AFK.
If someone or a group of someones is sitting their committing suicide over and over and chewing through your biomass, the last thing you do is let them retain access to your clone vats >_<
It shouldn't be an instant kick, but it should put you in like a 1 or 2 minute count down, so if you're being a sneaky douche you can actually do sneaky douche things for a couple minutes still, but you can't just sit there and abuse it because it amuses you. Possibly a V2K system, but I know that also has its drawbacks. |
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Laheon
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
563
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Posted - 2013.05.19 14:35:00 -
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Dust, while I appreciate where you're coming from, that's the point in the game. You can easily turn your back on your employers/corporation and betray them for mistreating you or simply because you feel like it.
There should be a safety in place, though. Say, having to have a director on and approving players going into PC. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3110
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Posted - 2013.05.19 14:37:00 -
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Laheon wrote:Dust, while I appreciate where you're coming from, that's the point in the game. You can easily turn your back on your employers/corporation and betray them for mistreating you or simply because you feel like it.
There should be a safety in place, though. Say, having to have a director on and approving players going into PC.
But what I'm saying, is that if you have control over your own clone vats (which lets face it, a corporation should) you would simply revoke their access codes if they decided to do something like that. (or just afk, not listen to orders, be generally stupid etc etc)
So, it still leaves the possibility for sabatoge, without making it a free for all that any idiot can do for hahas with no effort and very little repercussions. Speaking strictly from the perspective of lore, it makes no sense at all. |
jenza aranda
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1370
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Posted - 2013.05.19 14:38:00 -
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Laheon wrote:Dust, while I appreciate where you're coming from, that's the point in the game. You can easily turn your back on your employers/corporation and betray them for mistreating you or simply because you feel like it.
There should be a safety in place, though. Say, having to have a director on and approving players going into PC. i was going to suggest a role (once seperate roles are in) to allow members to join a corp match. that way awoxing is still possible, but needs a little more work on the side of the spai |
Jin Robot
Polar Gooks
517
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Posted - 2013.05.19 14:42:00 -
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Laheon wrote:Dust, while I appreciate where you're coming from, that's the point in the game. You can easily turn your back on your employers/corporation and betray them for mistreating you or simply because you feel like it.
There should be a safety in place, though. Say, having to have a director on and approving players going into PC. I agree it would not be New Eden without wonderful forms of betrayal, but where is the rock to counter these scissor tactics. There needs to be a counter action available. Not speaking from any firsthand pc betrayal experience, but from what I hear it doesnt take the investment time or effort of similar betrayal tactics in EVE. |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
563
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Posted - 2013.05.19 14:59:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:But what I'm saying, is that if you have control over your own clone vats (which lets face it, a corporation should) you would simply revoke their access codes if they decided to do something like that. (or just afk, not listen to orders, be generally stupid etc etc)
So, it still leaves the possibility for sabatoge, without making it a free for all that any idiot can do for hahas with no effort and very little repercussions. Speaking strictly from the perspective of lore, it makes no sense at all.
Frankly, if anyone does any of that, then they don't deserve to have been in the PC (or a PC corp) in the first place. The ability to grant a role to allow players into a match, as Jenza says below, still leaves room for any sabotage and clever play that a spy might be able to inflict. Moreover, if you let someone into the match and they much around, that's just a huge misjudgment on your part, and it's your own fault.
I recruited for an EVE highsec corp a while ago, a recruiting corp for a corp based in nullsec. I spent five minutes chatting to each one before accepting his application, including a look at his API and employment history. If there was anything wrong, I didn't accept him. In my three months of recruiting, I recruited perhaps 20-30 people, none of whom turned against the corp. In those same three months, only one of the many recruited turned out to be a pirate alt. And it's just as easy to make a pirate alt account on EVE than it is on DUST.
Buck up and toughen up your recruitment measures. If you don't chat to them, then you're doing it wrong.
[quote=jenza arandai was going to suggest a role (once seperate roles are in) to allow members to join a corp match. that way awoxing is still possible, but needs a little more work on the side of the spai[/quote]
It's a good idea, that way only the most trusted are able to participate in PC. Or, at the very least, you can pinpoint the source of the blame.
At the moment, being able to sabotage someone in PC has no real long-term effect. You need to be able to get into a director role and dismantle the corp for any true effect. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3111
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Posted - 2013.05.19 15:05:00 -
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While it's all well and good to allow spies and sabotage in the spirit of EVE, you ultimately can't forget that this is an FPS, and rewarding players (yet again) for not actually participating in a match is just bad form, as it ruins any form of amusement in the match itself.
So again, having a system in place that helps mitigate things like this by allowing a battle commander to actually command the battle would go a long way in helping keep things in check. Make sure people can still spy and be destructive, but at least make it entertaining. Right now it's just silly and destroys any sense of fun that's already pretty thin in PC matches as is
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Natu Nobilis
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
291
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Posted - 2013.05.19 15:27:00 -
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More safety - NPC Corps Less safety - Player Corporations
Public matches - Quckie to relieve tensions and no worries. FW matches - More organized work with some people that cares about what they-¦re doing. PC matches - Backstabing cutthroat maniacs that will do whatever they can to make your life hell, and where skill is necessary to avoid killing your teammates since FF is on.
I really want the RTS aspect of the game to be implemented soon, i-¦m good with snipers, turrets, logi and nova knives (a-w-e-s-o-m-e), but i know i-¦m not very good on the fps side.
What i am good at, is pressing down, looking at the map, and coordinating the little dots as i analyze the patterns and have a goal in mind. FC-¦s and Commanders could use some better tools to work with.
1 - An effective briefing room If i own a district, i know what-¦s in it, and if i now what-¦s in it, i should have acess to the map prior to battle, so i can show people what i want them to do. Reference 1 Reference 2
2 - More information at the map for those who want to command. Being able to see names and health status of your squad (Biomonitor) Upon encounter, being able to have the name of the enemy at your screen, and the possibility of ordering attacks to individuals.
3 - Implementation of the equipment support Send instalations to the battlefiels and review the requests from the players. Need a supply depot in the middle of the map? No sweat, here it comes. It-¦s the 4th tank that you-¦re asking for? Denied.
4 - Set locations for orbtial strikes. Place an X at where you want to bombard, and let your players get to at least Y meters from said location to give the specific coordinates for the OB. Like a ghost that needs to point the exact location
5 - Options and UI Some people will want to centralize the authorizations of the team, others, will delegate each squad member with what they judge best, give options for those that want to do one or the other. Something like "Corp armory acess" roles, and let each team judge how best it fits them on this.
6 - Desertion/Treason A proper structure so i can remove afkers and traitors from my team (not from the match). Example, i have an operative that went rogue/afk, i remove him from my team, but he stays at the match until he dies. The only difference is that i-¦ve blocked his clone signal and he can-¦t respawn at the battle, being dragged to the lobby, and making a spot vacant in our team.
That-¦s all that came in mind right now. The main point being: Give us tools to manage our lives, and we-¦ll be happy doing our own thing.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3111
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Posted - 2013.05.19 15:30:00 -
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Natu Nobilis wrote:6 - Desertion/Treason A proper structure so i can remove afkers and traitors from my team (not from the match). Example, i have an operative that went rogue/afk, i remove him from my team, but he stays at the match until he dies. The only difference is that i-¦ve blocked his clone signal and he can-¦t respawn at the battle, being dragged to the lobby, and making a spot vacant in our team.
Exactly.
I like your other suggestions too, but this one especially. Backstabbing should primarily come from friendly fire or clever schemes, not lol afk or suicide. |
Groza Tragediya
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
126
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Posted - 2013.05.19 15:31:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Guys, you realize we're not the first guys to do this, right? I mean, I'm not one to take credit where it's not due, and the AWOXing was discovered a day or two before we employed it by another Corporation. We just decided we had to take the opportunity to see if it worked. Only thing I'm pissed about is only being able to play EVE atm, but at least I got to laugh along with everyone when they all loaded in and saw the scoreboard.
Your corporation is ****, please die. Jenza gives head for unicorn rides, and they dont even exist. See what i did there? |
Zhar Ptitsaa
The Red Guards EoN.
86
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Posted - 2013.05.19 15:31:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:it doesnt take a genius to realise that getting a squad into a match with a spy is possible. Maybe its because i have played eve that i decided to go for it.
Exactly what information you thought i had to make awoxing possible that was not available to anyone else?
Pretty much this, people figured out you could do it before PC was even out. It was just confirmed by BetaMax doing it last night. (Not sure if you was the first to do it but it defiantly got the most publicity) |
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Laheon
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
564
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Posted - 2013.05.19 15:32:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:While it's all well and good to allow spies and sabotage in the spirit of EVE, you ultimately can't forget that this is an FPS, and rewarding players (yet again) for not actually participating in a match is just bad form, as it ruins any form of amusement in the match itself. So again, having a system in place that helps mitigate things like this by allowing a battle commander to actually command the battle would go a long way in helping keep things in check. Make sure people can still spy and be destructive, but at least make it entertaining. Right now it's just silly and destroys any sense of fun that's already pretty thin in PC matches as is
Then you're an idiot for not playing with people you trust? Frankly, when you get to competitive gameplay in ANY game, the only people you will play with are those you trust. |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
564
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Posted - 2013.05.19 15:38:00 -
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Groza Tragediya wrote:Your corporation is ****, please die. Jenza gives head for unicorn rides, and they dont even exist. See what i did there?
Please read forum rules, personal attacks are banned.
2. Be respectful toward others at all times. The purpose of the DUST 514 forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of DUST 514. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others.
4. Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.
On another note, as a male gamer, I find it absolutely abhorrent that you're using Jenza's gender with regards to anything. Her gender has no bearing on her position in the game, her position on the CPM, and your attitude gives the male gaming community a bad name. |
Natu Nobilis
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
291
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Posted - 2013.05.19 15:38:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Natu Nobilis wrote:6 - Desertion/Treason A proper structure so i can remove afkers and traitors from my team (not from the match). Example, i have an operative that went rogue/afk, i remove him from my team, but he stays at the match until he dies. The only difference is that i-¦ve blocked his clone signal and he can-¦t respawn at the battle, being dragged to the lobby, and making a spot vacant in our team.
Exactly. I like your other suggestions too, but this one especially. Backstabbing should primarily come from friendly fire or clever schemes, not lol afk or suicide.
I-¦m completely in favor of awoxing, i just think that Commanders should have more control of the squads/teams and be able to kick people out of the squad/team, not from the match.
(Now, if you have an awoxer commander or squad leader, then things get interesting)
If it requires too much codework to implement something like this, then use attributes already in place.
Example: When there are no clones available and you can-¦t respwan. Make it possible to flag someone with this attribute, so i keep him in the squad and loose a spot, but i restrict his damaging potential as he won-¦t spawn again, "just" taking a spot. |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
527
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Posted - 2013.05.19 15:49:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:it doesnt take a genius to realise that getting a squad into a match with a spy is possible. Maybe its because i have played eve that i decided to go for it.
Exactly what information you thought i had to make awoxing possible that was not available to anyone else? Exactly Jenza.
We were talking about this as soon as the rules were posted regarding squad leads pulling in members. It seemed so obvious to me i didn't think it was worth a forum post warning people.
To many years in EVE, i guess. |
Natu Nobilis
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
291
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Posted - 2013.05.19 15:52:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:jenza aranda wrote:it doesnt take a genius to realise that getting a squad into a match with a spy is possible. Maybe its because i have played eve that i decided to go for it.
Exactly what information you thought i had to make awoxing possible that was not available to anyone else? Exactly Jenza. We were talking about this as soon as the rules were posted regarding squad leads pulling in members. It seemed so obvious to me i didn't think it was worth a forum post warning people. To many years in EVE, i guess.
The youngsters aren-¦t used to it, let-¦s harvest tears until they dry, and then we-¦ll have proper opponents on the macro level. |
Groza Tragediya
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
126
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Posted - 2013.05.19 15:56:00 -
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Laheon wrote:Groza Tragediya wrote:Your corporation is ****, please die. Jenza gives head for unicorn rides, and they dont even exist. See what i did there? Please read forum rules, personal attacks are banned. 2. Be respectful toward others at all times. The purpose of the DUST 514 forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of DUST 514. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others. 4. Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated. On another note, as a male gamer, I find it absolutely abhorrent that you're using Jenza's gender with regards to anything. Her gender has no bearing on her position in the game, her position on the CPM, and your attitude gives the male gaming community a bad name.
Could care less. She used information she got from CCP no one else had to exploit a broken system and dismantle a corporation. Shes a cheat. To top it off she was with a member of CCP staff during fanfest all night long. Shes a ***** that used her body to cheat in a video game. In other words, she's worthless. |
Natu Nobilis
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
291
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Posted - 2013.05.19 15:58:00 -
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Groza Tragediya wrote: Could care less. She used information she got from CCP no one else had to exploit a broken system and dismantle a corporation. Shes a cheat. To top it off she was with a member of CCP staff during fanfest all night long. Shes a ***** that used her body to cheat in a video game. In other words, she's worthless.
I know what you are.... |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3111
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Posted - 2013.05.19 16:02:00 -
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Laheon wrote:Then you're an idiot for not playing with people you trust? Frankly, when you get to competitive gameplay in ANY game, the only people you will play with are those you trust.
It's called mechanics.
Even something as simple as being able to boot the guy who's kid just started crying and he has to afk for the match would fall into this category.
No need to call me names for suggesting that the mechanics in an FPS actually gravitate towards enhancing the FPS experience I want corporate spies and sabotage, it livens up the game, but it's not exactly interesting to say "we infiltrated their corp, and then like, sat around all match....man, we should be on DUST true stories"
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Eltra Ardell
Goonfeet
70
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Posted - 2013.05.19 16:13:00 -
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Groza Tragediya wrote:
Could care less. She used information she got from CCP no one else had to exploit a broken system and dismantle a corporation. Shes a cheat. To top it off she was with a member of CCP staff during fanfest all night long. Shes a ***** that used her body to cheat in a video game. In other words, she's worthless.
Yeah, no.
http://themittani.com/news/dust-514%E2%80%99s-first-recorded-awoxing-incident |
Summer-Wolf
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
47
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Posted - 2013.05.19 16:25:00 -
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If you guys are going to blame the CPM for figuring something everyone should have known, all I can do is laugh.
Also, using ad hominem on Jenza is simply incredible.
This can easily happen, within any games that has a very hardcore PvP. I just thing PS3 players arent used to it.
Welcome to the next level of gaming.
Adapt or die. |
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