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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:

Arthur Uthyrsson wrote:

I'm not a CEO or director, and have never been (heck, I'm not even in a real corp at the moment), but I think CEOs and directors are not helpless to stop spies while we wait for finer control over individual battles. If an order of battle is drawn up ahead of time, with all participants knowing their squads and squad leaders, any deviation from the plan can be immediately spotted and the spy's squad filled by corp members before he or she can bring in more saboteurs. The squad leaders can be selected from among trusted individuals; and if a spy is appointed, then that's just good tradecraft--you can't win every battle (except, apparently, for STB and a few other corps who have been kicking it, I suppose).

Just my own 2 ISK.

don't think you understand how it works. CEO's and directors have no power in who gets into matches. I don't know how assigning squad leaders would magically stop people from joining a PC game and inviting outsiders.

The problem is this whole sabotage thing is WAY too easy.

Join corp > join PC game > invite friends

That's it. People call that spy work? lol


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Arthur Uthyrsson Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.05.20 18:14:00 - [1] - Quote Much like the "everybody's running proto" thing, this is a problem that will solve itself. Everybody, everybody who is participating in PC is new at it, be they CEO, director, soldier, spy. The directors and CEOs are going to get better at operational security and counter-intelligence, and the successful corps will find the right balance and succeed, while the unsuccessful ones will pursue solutions that are less effective and they will fade from PC. That said, the spies will get better at espionage and sabotage, but that's how games work. For the very interested, here's a short reading list that might help: The Prince and The Art of War by Niccolo Machiavelli (there are free translations online) Sixteen Strategies of Zhuge Liang edited by Xuanming Wang (lighthearted and fun with good info) Mastering the Art of War edited by Thomas Cleary Stratagems and Spoils by F. G. Bailey
Arthur Uthyrsson Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2013.05.20 21:44:00 - [2] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Arthur Uthyrsson wrote: Much like the "everybody's running proto" thing, this is a problem that will solve itself. Everybody, everybody who is participating in PC is new at it, be they CEO, director, soldier, spy. The directors and CEOs are going to get better at operational security and counter-intelligence, and the successful corps will find the right balance and succeed, while the unsuccessful ones will pursue solutions that are less effective and they will fade from PC. I don't know what this has to do with CEO's and Directors not having the power to choose who fights in battles Nobody is arguing that spies are the problem, the problem is the lack of power to control anything. CEO / Director has no power to choose the team, no power to kick from battle. Operational security has nothing to do with a broken mechanic that's being exploited. I'm not a CEO or director, and have never been (heck, I'm not even in a real corp at the moment), but I think CEOs and directors are not helpless to stop spies while we wait for finer control over individual battles. If an order of battle is drawn up ahead of time, with all participants knowing their squads and squad leaders, any deviation from the plan can be immediately spotted and the spy's squad filled by corp members before he or she can bring in more saboteurs. The squad leaders can be selected from among trusted individuals; and if a spy is appointed, then that's just good tradecraft--you can't win every battle (except, apparently, for STB and a few other corps who have been kicking it, I suppose). Just my own 2 ISK.
Arthur Uthyrsson Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2013.05.20 22:33:00 - [3] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Arthur Uthyrsson wrote: I'm not a CEO or director, and have never been (heck, I'm not even in a real corp at the moment), but I think CEOs and directors are not helpless to stop spies while we wait for finer control over individual battles. If an order of battle is drawn up ahead of time, with all participants knowing their squads and squad leaders, any deviation from the plan can be immediately spotted and the spy's squad filled by corp members before he or she can bring in more saboteurs. The squad leaders can be selected from among trusted individuals; and if a spy is appointed, then that's just good tradecraft--you can't win every battle (except, apparently, for STB and a few other corps who have been kicking it, I suppose). Just my own 2 ISK. don't think you understand how it works. CEO's and directors have no power in who gets into matches. I don't know how assigning squad leaders would magically stop people from joining a PC game and inviting outsiders. The problem is this whole sabotage thing is WAY too easy. Join corp > join PC game > invite friends That's it. People call that spy work? lol I guess I fail at explaining. If everybody in the corp knows what's supposed to happen (who's supposed to be squad lead, who's in which squad), then they'll all be able to keep an eye out for people who deviate from the plan. So if everybody in the corp is on board, then the sabotage thing should go Join corp -> join PC game -> create a squad -> have squad filled by loyal corp members It does take some communication and coordination. It's not perfect, but it's not nothing.
Arthur Uthyrsson Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2013.05.21 15:47:00 - [4] - Quote If kicking people from a game is something that needs to be done on The PSN side, would it be possible to block individuals from respawning on the DUSt side?