It should really launch with PS4 or be there by Christmas.

It would be a big boost.

I wonder if CCP is just this slow with content delivery or they are actually double timing working on the PS4 client.

Yeah this would be a big boost, because sooo many people will buy PS4 on launch and all of them will play DUST instead of launch titles. that will be based on *PS4 dedicated* engines. If PS4 could not play with PS3 people this would basically kill the game.

Seriously, with newest game lineup scheduled for christmas (MGS, GT6) I will not be thinking about PS4. Besides I no longer buy 1st version of next gen -- will wait for slim, because I've been burned before. (Well I might get it if it's super awesome, but it seems unlikely).

Good luck with that plan, though.

*PS4 dedicated* engines

Do you think this game will look like this on ps4 ? http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/64574/1/grassy_outpost.jpg

or it will be that nice on ps3 ?

Well thank heavens that you speak for everyone - we can all go home now

Yeah DUST should not release with PS4.

However.. one can hope that about 1 year into PS4 release.. they will release PC and PS4 versions (which sound like will be fairly similar, based on the same x86 architecture).

Then, once the migration to PS4/PC is complete, open the game up to 36v36 and watch this game soar.

He does speaks for the "Majority" of people ... I always wait about a year before i get a new console, no point of spending lots of cash in a machine with only few games to play on it.. and also the PS3 games price, will drop allot when the PS4 is release, so you can build you self a nice little collection of games for not much money.

...you mean like those "majority of people" who were camped out in WalMart parking lots waiting for 12 am so they could get a PS3?

You do realise that CCP *do* have an eye on the future? They couldn't use the carbon engine because the PS3 specs are too **** for it. It's doubtful that they'll switch to it, though, the dev team will have had a huge amount of experience with Unreal by then. More likely that they'll switch onto the Unreal 4.

By the way, if you'd actually followed any threads recently, you'll have seen that I've mentioned there were rumors they were developing in Unreal 4 and porting across into Unreal 3...

...you mean like those "majority of people" who were camped out in WalMart parking lots waiting for 12 am so they could get a PS3?

Listen. I am a software engineer. I don't do games professionally, but let me tell you this: Unreal engine in the vanilla form is not made for PS3. It takes a ton of tweaking and tuning to get it right on a console -- which can be done and has been done -- and CCP is having hard time with it. It's because it was not dedicated to the console out of the box and they are not experienced in doing this kind of game. I get it -- PS4, UE4, all assets will be just converted to next gen engine and hardware will be so much better -- it will all work out. Except PS4 hardware is currently on par with high tier gaming PCs from March 2012. Let that sink in. And it will be x86, just like new XBOX, because let's just sell our users a r'tarded PC that stands next to a TV. Basically it will be a low-end gaming PC, impossible to upgrade, with locked-in OS, that says it's a gaming console. Designed by accountants and other bean counters to maximize profits and minimize development time or production cost. Mid-tier gaming PCs from Christmas 2013 will crush it, as it is already obsolete May 2013.

Having said that I will buy it the day hardware reaches rev 2, because there will be no better exclusive lineup for me.

TL;DR please don't expect that "next gen hardware will fix everything". It's about optimizing the game, not waiting for better platform.

Mid-tier gaming PCs from Christmas 2013 will crush it, as it is already obsolete May 2013.

Moving to PS4 on release would be PR suicide. Forums wouod explode with rage that we have an inferior version, hardcore elitists would complain that now (to be competitive) they have to buy another couple hundred dollar machine. CCP and CPM would be FLOODED with complaints from ppl that don't want to upgrade and questions about "WHERE DOES THE ORIGINAL DUST GO FROM HERE?!"

Communiity would be split in two and devs would have to double the staff to develope the games and sustain both communities simultaneously if they didn't just shut PS3 version down entirely.

An ideas of "cross-play" is like believing in the tooth fairy.


IMO if they move to any platform it would be PC. No hardware limits, no paying distributor for client patches etc.

Rumors are that PS4 is coming in November, you really thnk CCP would dev. this for PS3 and less than half a year later release another version for a non-existant community for a console that will take time to become what PS3 has been building and improving upon for years?

CCP should have kept this game behind closed doors and kept working on it until PS4 release (which before announcement we all knew was coming soon) or just released on PC in general.

If it came out on PS4 they would have been the firstand only on the system and that would've been "the thing"ealy adopters could play while they wait for competent games to come out. Which would be the only thing going for it. Once acually polished games started coming out Dust would be "that game people played because the only other game was Watch Dogs and there wasonly x amount of hours in it and nothing else really good was out and this was free."

Dont know much about the carbon engine

Do you think this game will look like this on ps4 ? http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/64574/1/grassy_outpost.jpg

or it will be that nice on ps3 ?

lol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Cerny

Facts, you should acquire a few some time. Perhaps the XBOX designer was an accountant...I dunno.

Simply put ... this will never be on the PS4

Or at least not anytime soon.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

Sony and Microsoft going with x86 is just a money-grab move. Perhaps they've finally learned reg. bleeding money on hardware production and want to limit the spill these days. But I know one thing -- this was driven by accountants, not by engineers.

Heres hoping ps4 is backwards compatible rthen we can have best of both worlds cos if not it might be bye bye dust.

U seem to have a little misconception here, so let me ask u: Given a 250$ hardware budget and the problems developers had with the "strange" PS3/PSU architecture, what hardware would u use in your nextGen console? This means how u get the most bang for the buck?

I would either pick ARM smart-phone hardware or ofc older PC hardware, u need to get as much "useable" performance as u can get, so picking PC hardware was the obvious choice. Given our currently increasing AAA title budget, its much more important to get a easy to develop console out, instead of some "funky" theoretically MFLOPS stats using some strange and obscure hardware architecture.

U also seem to forget that the hardware we will be able to buy, will probably be still subsidized at first, so no u wont be able to build a similar performing PC given the same budget, so i wont call this "money-grabing". I also don't understand whats so bad on a affordable, easy to use gaming console? Simply don't believe the marketing, ofc a console cant compete with current high end PC's, how could they given the budget?
Remember u don't pay 1000$ for a console.

So it will be just dumbed down PC -- what was the point of the console then? Exclusive games? Boot lock? DRM chip? I only care about one of these things and now I could just play them on gaming PC, right? I mean the game will be for x86 architecture and PC GPU, just locked to play on a single box? Seems logical.

As I said above -- I don't play on PC anymore. I will get a PS4. I'm just having problems with rationalizing this against cutom built HTPC that could run the same stuff without a hitch.

I'm not hating, just losing faith. ;-)

EVE players will play it. But why on earth would any FPS player on PC play this over "TRIBES", "PLANETSIDE 2" "ARMA 3" or the next FPS only PC game?

not sure if you all realize the effect the main memory being GDDR5 will be for the ps4, that's going to keep it competitive substantially longer than you think

the cpu may be slower, and the gpu may not crunch as well, but cutting into those times for loading and memory tansfer can make that seem much faster :)

It should really launch with PS4 or be there by Christmas.

It would be a big boost.

I wonder if CCP is just this slow with content delivery or they are actually double timing working on the PS4 client.

What was the point than last console generation? At the time Xbox360/PS3 hit the market all your above points are as valid as they are now? U always could get and play the same none exclusive console games on PC, while some PC only games always looked better.

The reason is the same as before: A console is a affordable, low maintenance, easy to use gaming "BOX", that can be used "out of the box" from your couch on the big screen. The new consoles may add TV and Internet capabilities, but this just shortens the gap to a PC.

Sure someone may argue, "But the steambox will change this all", but the SteamBox still comes with linux pre-installed, which given the current Linux games is no alternative to tinker with it and install windows on it, which is by no means a "out of the box" experience u get on consoles.

So u need to ask yourself, why did u care for any console last generation?

On the bright side, see how things unfold from the developer perspective. Mid-size to small PC only developers are now able to get extra profit, by allowing the easy and cheap ports to both consoles. This is huge!
On top of that console developers now have a much easier time to create games for all platforms, since its basically the same architecture without any obscure hardware differences like PS3/SPU or IBM in-order CPU's. Even better console developers have the best conditions ever, to create good games. 5-7GB "usable" 64bit Ram/CPU makes things so much easier, compared to the last gen of consoles.

All this means more profit for game developers, while allowing faster and streamlined development processes. This means better and more diverse games on all platforms, since a PC only dev can now aim much higher, if he also can get a console version out. Indy devs now also can target consoles, since only minimal special knowledge is needed, hence u probably might not even need to buy a DevKit, since the CPU/GPU is so similar to what a PC has.

I think both mayor consoles going for "normal" x86 CPU's and standard GPU's, is the best thing that could happen for both PC and console gamers!

They should release it day one on the PS4. Not for the demise of DUST on PS3, but for the added community that they would gain by doing so. FFXI has been on PS2, XBOX 360 and PC for many years. So we know it is possible to have a massive game operate in tandem on three different systems. EVE currently operates on PC, Mac and Linux. So why do you think it would be impossible to operate DUST on PS3 and PS4?

This needs to happen through their cloud service. Just give the early adopters a way of playing dust 514 on ps4 with ps3. Sony will generate many sales on launch once most of the dust community catches wind that dust will be playable on ps4 as well as ps3.