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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:47:00 -
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Nightbird Aeon wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Only slightly, I still kill idiots with my milita weapons because they don't know how to strafe or they run out in the open. Just the amount of bullets it requires to kill them slightly increases. How do you know that they don't know how to strafe? Maybe they are just boycotting strafing. It is possible. strafing is important,
Well, I think the militaries of the world need to work on this since it is so very very important.
Seriously though, I disagree, strafing is just some dumb **** that caught on cause some little ADHD kid who missed his meds did it in a match in the early days of FPS and then everyone started doing it because he had a lucky match while running around jiggling like some parkinsons patient "THE DOCTORS SAY I HAVE ADHD, I CALL IT GUNGAME!!!!!!"
Looks stupid too. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp Orion Empire
60
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Posted - 2013.05.17 20:42:00 -
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The thing that really gets me about strafing is how one can strafe back n forth in front of my HMG at a range of about 10 - 15 meters and take NO DAMAGE!!!!! |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
272
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Posted - 2013.05.17 20:53:00 -
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Nightbird Aeon wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Poor players will blow though all that isk quickly enough. Here's the problem with that, though: Weaker players (not just poor players... average players too) cannot compete UNLESS they also go proto... meaning that they will bankrupt themselves trying to keep pace, then be stuck using advanced or basic gear... where they will get their kittens handed to them even more. So what happens then? They get frustrated by getting fragged left and right, and quit? They AFK in matches to get payouts and skills, while not contributing to the match and making the game better? They go red-line sniper, in an effort to save ISK? How does the top 5% curb-stomping the other 95% of the playerbase make the game healthy?
I primarly play with proto gear all the time and i also never avoid a good 1(me) vs 4 or 6 these days when it presents itself. And i can and have been able to fund protogear all the time without ever dipping lower in my ISK pool at the end of the day (i run solo, well i team up from time to time but we mostly are solo playing in a team)
When i swap to my alt, with 500k sp for some trialruns, i dont really perform allot less with nearly half my HP pool even crossing protosuits.
At the end of the day its the player, not the suit, the suit just amplefies whats inside of it, if its good with Militia gear, its better, if its awsome its super awesome, if its crap-tastic, it might be mediocre when using a proto.
Good still beats Mediocre any time of day.
Quote:The thing that really gets me about strafing is how one can strafe back n forth in front of my HMG at a range of about 10 - 15 meters and take NO DAMAGE!!!!!
Its called terrible aim, by playing more, you can learn to get better, some of us have only been doing FPS games for 20 years, we might have a lead on you. |
RECON BY FIRE
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
179
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Posted - 2013.05.17 21:08:00 -
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Look, this is what you need to understand. The asset buyback was indeed a ISK faucet, but it was done to help initially alleviate the burden of the ISK sink that is PC. Prices are fine just the way they are. If you die more than twice you still typically make no money off the match if you are running proto suits. The average payout for a match is 200k to 300k, my current proto fits range in cost from around 125k to 180k. There is no way I could sustain that if I died more than twice per match. Because of that I run ADV suits in pubs and always have, despite having 420m ISK. Current pricing is not a problem. |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
929
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Posted - 2013.05.17 21:16:00 -
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If CCP doesn't want people to rock proto all the time and keep it as their "sunday best" ISK cannot be the only barrier for use after they've earned up enough SP to use them.
Money barriers are completely worthless as something to discourage active use, since players will always find a way to afford the best stuff.
Honestly, I'd love to see some kind of system that had people pick and choose what gear they bring. Maybe the 'goo' our gear is made up of has a finite supply allocated for each battle, and using proto gear uses up a large amount of that supply? I dunno. I've got mixed feelings on it. On one hand, I like that one can progress and use the top tier all the time after they've earned it. On the other, I think it makes things kind of boring to know that after a certain point, everyone's going to be rocking proto suits all the time. |
Chinduko
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
84
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Posted - 2013.05.17 21:26:00 -
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I'd prefer suits to increase in ISK as demand increased and with an ISK decrease as demand went down. CCP could make their own market values this way without player manipulation. |
Martin0 Brancaleone
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
286
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Posted - 2013.05.17 21:30:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Only slightly, I still kill idiots with my milita weapons because they don't know how to strafe or they run out in the open. Just the amount of bullets it requires to kill them slightly increases. This. I always laugh when i kill a Guy in proto armor with my standard gear. So many isk wasted. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp Orion Empire
60
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Posted - 2013.05.17 23:08:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Nightbird Aeon wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Poor players will blow though all that isk quickly enough. Here's the problem with that, though: Weaker players (not just poor players... average players too) cannot compete UNLESS they also go proto... meaning that they will bankrupt themselves trying to keep pace, then be stuck using advanced or basic gear... where they will get their kittens handed to them even more. So what happens then? They get frustrated by getting fragged left and right, and quit? They AFK in matches to get payouts and skills, while not contributing to the match and making the game better? They go red-line sniper, in an effort to save ISK? How does the top 5% curb-stomping the other 95% of the playerbase make the game healthy? I primarly play with proto gear all the time and i also never avoid a good 1(me) vs 4 or 6 these days when it presents itself. And i can and have been able to fund protogear all the time without ever dipping lower in my ISK pool at the end of the day (i run solo, well i team up from time to time but we mostly are solo playing in a team) When i swap to my alt, with 500k sp for some trialruns, i dont really perform allot less with nearly half my HP pool even crossing protosuits. At the end of the day its the player, not the suit, the suit just amplefies whats inside of it, if its good with Militia gear, its better, if its awsome its super awesome, if its crap-tastic, it might be mediocre when using a proto. Good still beats Mediocre any time of day. Quote:The thing that really gets me about strafing is how one can strafe back n forth in front of my HMG at a range of about 10 - 15 meters and take NO DAMAGE!!!!! Its called terrible aim, by playing more, you can learn to get better, some of us have only been doing FPS games for 20 years, we might have a lead on you.
FPS hasn't even been around for 20 years...unless you want to count Duck Hunt! Stop being a poser! Talking about thing you really have no clue on only makes you sound immature and ignorant.
BTW It is caused by tiny hit boxes + bad hit detection. Walking back and forth through 2000 RPM and not taking damage has nothing to do with my aim!
I also highly doubt those "4 - 6" you are talking about have anywhere near the core skills you have and are probobly not running proto to boot.
Just stop talking smack son it doesn't suit you well! |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
175
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Posted - 2013.05.17 23:26:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:If CCP doesn't want people to rock proto all the time and keep it as their "sunday best" ISK cannot be the only barrier for use after they've earned up enough SP to use them.
Money barriers are completely worthless as something to discourage active use, since players will always find a way to afford the best stuff.
Honestly, I'd love to see some kind of system that had people pick and choose what gear they bring. Maybe the 'goo' our gear is made up of has a finite supply allocated for each battle, and using proto gear uses up a large amount of that supply? I dunno. I've got mixed feelings on it. On one hand, I like that one can progress and use the top tier all the time after they've earned it. On the other, I think it makes things kind of boring to know that after a certain point, everyone's going to be rocking proto suits all the time.
This is brilliant, X amount of nanite goo to make our equipment and only Y amount available per match.
Use it all up and we're all left with just Militia fits until the Proto Heavy whose been AFK in the MCC comes down with his squad of former AFKers (also Protos) and Protoblobs their way through the enemy team. This is the only drawback I can think of, aside from that, I really like the idea. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
175
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Posted - 2013.05.17 23:27:00 -
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Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Only slightly, I still kill idiots with my milita weapons because they don't know how to strafe or they run out in the open. Just the amount of bullets it requires to kill them slightly increases. This. I always laugh when i kill a Guy in proto armor with my standard gear. So many isk wasted.
It is made even sweeter when the killing blow was the butt of your SMG. |
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Demon Ronin
115
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Posted - 2013.05.17 23:32:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Nightbird Aeon wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Only slightly, I still kill idiots with my milita weapons because they don't know how to strafe or they run out in the open. Just the amount of bullets it requires to kill them slightly increases. How do you know that they don't know how to strafe? Maybe they are just boycotting strafing. It is possible. strafing is important, Well, I think the militaries of the world need to work on this since it is so very very important. Seriously though, I disagree, strafing is just some dumb **** that caught on cause some little ADHD kid who missed his meds did it in a match in the early days of FPS and then everyone started doing it because he had a lucky match while running around jiggling like some parkinsons patient "THE DOCTORS SAY I HAVE ADHD, I CALL IT GUNGAME!!!!!!" Looks stupid too.
Don't knock it till you try it. Some honorable games make very good use of strafing. almost like art. what games? TRIBES. AND THE GREAT (tho old) UNREAL TOURNAMENT. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
175
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Posted - 2013.05.18 00:02:00 -
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I have tried it, I stand by my previous statements. |
Alex Bradshaw
The Merc Net
29
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Posted - 2013.05.18 13:48:00 -
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Proto gear is not too cheap. People have a lot of ISK after the respec. Planetary conquest & losing lots of ISK on each match will eventually use up the ISK that came after the respec. People will then be forced to move to cheaper suits. |
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