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Groza Tragediya
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:36:00 -
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Av nades. Tac Rifle. KB/M.
At the moment the cheapest and under handed ways to get kills, yet for some reason im getting told to HTFU because you cant stop using a crutch. Nicely done :D.
Anyway the original intent of this post, to irradicate AV grenades all together. They need to disappear. We now have three AV weapons availiable, and you dont have to spc into any of them to stand a chance, all militia and standard variants greatly out range blasters and shoot with high player mobility.
It pretty much beat Vehicles hands down, which id be fine with, if players weren't standing behind walls, on a nanohive, replenishing grenades as they throw AV insanely far completely safe. Whhich balance wise is completely and utterly off.
Getting proto AV. Nades is 627k isk getting a decent fitting tank is over 3mil. A decent tank fitting is 1mil+ isk, AV nades are much much much cheaper. Imbalance. They risk less and carry far more of an advantage. You could even say tanks are pointless.
Even with great squad support AV can be fired WAAAAY far away so destruction cannot be prevented at times. There is 0 justification for every player on foot to have AV capability through a slot that does not debuff them in some way. The AV weapons replace a primary weapon, av grenades allow you to have the same effectiveness but without slowing you down or hindering your infantry fighting capability. So you have super soldiers that can't be milled because they are Anti everything. |
ICECREAMK1NG
WARRIORS 1NC
494
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:44:00 -
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shut up |
Zero Harpuia
WarRavens
467
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:45:00 -
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I don't like AV grenades, as I feel they remove from the specializing in AV. That said, we NEED them until they decide to remove free LAVs. In fact, I'd be alright with the loss of AV Grenades entirely if they reverted LAV HP as well. Onikuma can survive a Forge Gun round, bloody ridiculous.
Also, just wanna say that a hive can create like, 4 nades. Plus the three you start with, that can't kill a tank. Also, you have to have the time to set up a hive, and the tank has to be dumb enough to approach.... so yea, only stupid tanks die that way. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
3160
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:45:00 -
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While im not a fan of the wide lock on range and spammable capability of the AV nade they still gotta get close to u and tbqh tanks have been buffed
plus plasma cannon is ****.
Id beg to differ that tanks are pointless. |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
342
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:45:00 -
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Groza Tragediya wrote: ...HTFU...
You're good |
ugg reset
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
280
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:48:00 -
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yeah i totally sympathise with you bro |
Groza Tragediya
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
121
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:50:00 -
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This is why people that play games get trolled in real life LOL. I wonder if you actually curl into a ball when the word challenge is presented. |
Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
275
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:52:00 -
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When ya 3 mil isk becomes 1 mil isk during the next sentence I question your data handling abilities to be making such claims. |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
342
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:53:00 -
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Groza Tragediya wrote:This is why people that play games get trolled in real life LOL. I wonder if you actually curl into a ball when the word challenge is presented.
Did you just troll yourself? Because.... this sounds like it. If so... well done. You should punch yourself also. |
Herper Derp
DUST University Ivy League
95
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:54:00 -
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Interestingly, about 80% of the AV grenades I throw at LAVs seem to pass, unhindered, right through the vehicle with no effect whatsoever :/ |
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DigiOps
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
250
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Posted - 2013.05.17 15:02:00 -
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AV grenades probably wouldn't be carried so often if people weren't constantly being ran over by militia LAVs. Standard AV grenades don't do it anymore now that the militia variants of the LAVs got an HP buff. Tanks aren't useless. Stop being so dramatic. Infantry doesn't like being ran over by LAVs consistently each match so the reaction is to carry AV grenades to dispatch them. Everyone keeps saying "adapt or die" but don't seem to like the fact that we're opting to "adapt" rather than the alternative.
The tactical rifles are meant as a midfield marksman weapon. From my experience, ARs in the same tier best it in CQC, which is how it should be. If I'm stupid enough to be that close and I'm not behind you charging my knives, its only right to assume I'm going to die. I do agree, it needs rebalanced, but the only thing out of place is rate of fire and kick.
Not sure why you brought KB/M into this. That's just confusing.
In short,
ICECREAMK1NG wrote:shut up this. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
1703
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Posted - 2013.05.17 15:04:00 -
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+1 to removing av nades, if that's not acceptable a 30-40% damage NERF would be acceptable. |
Chris F2112
187. Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.17 15:13:00 -
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DigiOps wrote:AV grenades probably wouldn't be carried so often if people weren't constantly being ran over by militia LAVs. Standard AV grenades don't do it anymore now that the militia variants of the LAVs got an HP buff. Tanks aren't useless. Stop being so dramatic. Infantry doesn't like being ran over by LAVs consistently each match so the reaction is to carry AV grenades to dispatch them. Everyone keeps saying "adapt or die" but don't seem to like the fact that we're opting to "adapt" rather than the alternative.
Well said. It's not like carrying AV grenades doesn't have drawbacks in other areas though. All the original poster sees is his tank/lav getting destroyed by av grenades. What he doesn't see is how making the other team use av grenades helps his ground infantry. Everythings fine as it is now I think. |
Chris F2112
187. Unclaimed.
175
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Posted - 2013.05.17 15:16:00 -
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Herper Derp wrote:Interestingly, about 80% of the AV grenades I throw at LAVs seem to pass, unhindered, right through the vehicle with no effect whatsoever :/
I notice this too. A militia lav will come at me and I will throw a prto packed AV grenade at it. It will take no damage and keep on going. It's really frustrating. |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
342
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Posted - 2013.05.17 15:18:00 -
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Chris F2112 wrote: Well said. It's not like carrying AV grenades doesn't have drawbacks in other areas though. All the original poster sees is his tank/lav getting destroyed by av grenades. What he doesn't see is how making the other team use av grenades helps his ground infantry. Everythings fine as it is now I think.
You forget something very important. Carrying AV grenades has a very important drawback, you aren't carrying other types of grenades.
I believe the fact that you are complaining that EVERYONE and their mother are carrying AV grenades instead of other types of grenades means that Vehicles are way overpowered and should be nerfed.
How about them apples? |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4253
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Posted - 2013.05.17 15:19:00 -
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I thought KB/M where broken. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
453
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Posted - 2013.05.17 15:20:00 -
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Groza Tragediya wrote:Av nades. Tac Rifle. KB/M.
At the moment the cheapest and under handed ways to get kills, yet for some reason im getting told to HTFU because you cant stop using a crutch. Nicely done :D.
Anyway the original intent of this post, to irradicate AV grenades all together. They need to disappear. We now have three AV weapons availiable, and you dont have to spc into any of them to stand a chance, all militia and standard variants greatly out range blasters and shoot with high player mobility.
It pretty much beat Vehicles hands down, which id be fine with, if players weren't standing behind walls, on a nanohive, replenishing grenades as they throw AV insanely far completely safe. Whhich balance wise is completely and utterly off.
Getting proto AV. Nades is 627k isk getting a decent fitting tank is over 3mil. A decent tank fitting is 1mil+ isk, AV nades are much much much cheaper. Imbalance. They risk less and carry far more of an advantage. You could even say tanks are pointless.
Even with great squad support AV can be fired WAAAAY far away so destruction cannot be prevented at times. There is 0 justification for every player on foot to have AV capability through a slot that does not debuff them in some way. The AV weapons replace a primary weapon, av grenades allow you to have the same effectiveness but without slowing you down or hindering your infantry fighting capability. So you have super soldiers that can't be milled because they are Anti everything.
So, players shouldn't use these tools because you, personally, don't like those tools?
Lol. Yeah, htfu buddy. |
Toyboi
BetaMax. CRONOS.
56
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Posted - 2013.05.17 15:38:00 -
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First i need to know if its really you or your girlfriend??
second if it is you i honestly dont know why you even play dust im not gonna say go back to cod cause im sure thats out of your mental capabilities aswell. Every single post from you represent ignorance and a lack of grasping even simple tasks i could boil it down to four words but reading and correcting my spelling mistakes will give you some satisfaction
i just sit here and wonder how much stupidity can come from one single person and you keep surprising me keep it up!
i will give you one free advice this time!
I often run with a tank in the squad and he rarely looses a tank in 3-4 hours the reson is simple TEAMWORK. So maybe stop running solo get some friends (i doubt you have any with your attitude tho) its not hard to cover a tank on foot if the tank has your back.
if you are talking about av vs lav then... you are not supposed to face tank avnades its that simple. and btw you just got a huge hp buff.
your life would be easyer if you stoped rageing and making a forumpost with no real merrit to it. Alot less hate would come your dirrection.
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Toyboi
BetaMax. CRONOS.
56
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Posted - 2013.05.17 15:39:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I thought KB/M where broken.
thay are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sorry for double post |
aden slayer
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
511
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Posted - 2013.05.17 15:42:00 -
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Get good or Die hard. |
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Mordan Otomo
ROGUE SPADES EoN.
4
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Posted - 2013.05.17 15:55:00 -
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Dear OP,
I'll agree to all your 'suggestions' on the condition that we also remove the free LAVs, make tanks more expensive, and require that each tank requires 3 people to operate. It's absolutely ridiculous that you can have a tank that can snipe scouts at a full run from across the map while the driver is also the gunner/loader and the tank commander, all for a paltry 3-4 million. I mean, I load out a proto suit for about 100K which is approximately inline with what a kit for an infantry soldier costs, but you get a MBT for about 1/2 to 1/3 of what it should cost.
OR
You could just 'think' about your 'ideas' a little more, before posting next time. |
ALMIGHTY STATIUS
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2013.05.17 16:11:00 -
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htfu |
Full Metal Kitten
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
338
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Posted - 2013.05.17 16:12:00 -
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Remove AV nades? Lol
The PC (computer) version of DUST you want is already available for download. It's called World of Tanks. |
Acezero 44
Ill Omens EoN.
10
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Posted - 2013.05.17 16:14:00 -
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ok, just finished choking on my coffee. Tecno viking was unexpected,. funny stuff |
bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries
151
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Posted - 2013.05.17 16:29:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I thought KB/M where broken.
Extremely broken (Compared to Chromosome or other KB/M shooters.... ) |
Tiberion Deci
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
180
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Posted - 2013.05.17 16:33:00 -
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See the problem with av weapons is they're crap against infantry. Have you tried to flat shot someone with a forge gun? Its damn near impossible. What about killing someone with a swarm launcher? Also impossible. And I hear the plasma cannon is as worthless as **** on a bull. All this is to say that equipping AV weapons is a risk because if you get caught by infantry you'll probably die.
"wa wa wa 600k sp for proto av nades and 3 mil for tank"
Bro. Tanks railgun snipe. Or blaster snipe. Both kill you infinitely faster than av nades bring down a tank.
I get the feeling you were one of the guys that brought in 3 militia shield tanks in one game yesterday that got put down by av nades and forge guns while trying to bullrush positons. Learn to play and use some logic instead of just whining and maybe people will listen to you. Like this:
I think the TAR is a little over powered because of the extreme range advantage, the high damage per shot, and high rate of fire. I think CCP should cap the rate of fire to 120 rpm to lower the dps and make the game playable for people that don't use it and don't have the range (like heavy players).
I also do not like that kbm is allowed, and I agree it is kinda cheap, but the devs explicitly allow it so you can't call it cheating. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
138
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Posted - 2013.05.17 16:35:00 -
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funny most tanks i've tried to hit with av grenades laugh it off lately.
it takes close to 3 av nades now to kill an lav, 1 was all it took in chrono. |
Vexen Krios
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
26
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Posted - 2013.05.17 16:37:00 -
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didn't even bother reading past the first post....seriously??
First off, AV nades are fine. If your tank is getting owned by av nades switch to a shield tank. Im using level one av nades and took out a tank with six of them, the tank had 8000 armor.
you wanna know why your armor tank gets taken out by av grenades? because av grenades have a damage bonus to armor! well looky here, don't that make sense.
Av grenades don't do jack crap against shield tanks. I see a shield tank I run for cover until someone with a flux or rail gun or what have you takes out those shields. Proto forges and Rails do good damage to shields. a militia forge doesn't do much to a shield tank with 5000+ shields. Trust me, I've tried.
AV grenades eat armor tanks for lunch. I say lunch instead of breakfast because....8k+ armor tank? 6 AV nades, minimum. A 2500 shield LAV with 1000 Armor? Who knows I cant get past the friggin shields
LAVs are ridiculous right now. I get killed by people in LAVs more than I do guns.
HTFU |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
345
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Posted - 2013.05.17 16:38:00 -
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Toyboi wrote: ...So maybe stop running solo get some friends (i doubt you have any with your attitude tho) ...
Lol |
fahrenheitM
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
261
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Posted - 2013.05.17 16:40:00 -
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Toyboi wrote:First i need to know if its really you or your girlfriend??
I got a chuckle. |
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xTechno Vikingx
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
2
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Posted - 2013.05.17 16:43:00 -
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I approve this message. |
CAELAN Andoril
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2013.05.17 16:46:00 -
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Christ.
First of all, as a standard AV nade user, you're just being a whiny punk. It takes two of three AV nades you spawn with to kill the free LAV from full health if it's taking no other damage. Higher tier gear is more effective, like everything else in the game. The downside to AV grenades? They work only on vehicles. They don't even explode if they're thrown at something other than a vehicle. As an Assault suit, there were more times that I wished I had Locus grenades rather than AV. That trade-off seems minor, but is in fact major. Once people know of your AV capabilities, you become a target and the enemy is more wary of calling in vehicles [except for free LAV's, because they're free]. An intelligent player would recognise who the AV players are, and attempt to coordinate against them, because trust me, not everyone has AV nades. It's more of a rarity then you seem to think.
As for the other AV weapons, I can't say that much as I haven't specced into them this build, nor have I dealt with them that much. I've tried the Militia Swarm that they give you a starter fit with, but that was so useless on a tank that all I was doing was keeping them tank from my friendlies, without actually killing it. I don't know if the higher tiers are better or not, though. As a former fatty, I miss my beautiful Forge Gun so much that I made a militia fit for it, but I haven't had cause to actually use it yet, though. As for the Plasma Cannon, I haven't even touched it, but from what I heard, it's useless against vehicles, and the Mass Driver is a better substitute for anti-infantry. You also forgot Remote and Proximity Explosives. From what I've heard, Remote is better for infantry traps [like on a terminal in Skirmish], while Proximity is great for vehicles. At least, that was last build. I haven't seen or used much of these, so I can't comment on them either.
What I'm trying to say is, as far as I know, there's really only three good AV options: Forge gun, AV nades, and Proximity Explosives. Forge guns are great for long range AV and short range AV, but you have to have a fat suit for it, and you move really slow with it, especially when charging [not to mention now you light up like a Christmas tree so everyone knows what you're doing now]. AV nades are not nearly as bad as you say [except maybe the hacked version for no skill. That's pretty cheap], as it sacrifices much-needed offence for defence, which can hurt you in the long run. And Proximity Explosives... I don't really know about.
On the other hand, you're right about Tactical Rifles and KB/M. Tac AR's are way too good at what they do, and KB/M controls are just unfair for everyone who can't afford peripherals.
TL;DR: AV is fine, HTFU. Tac Ar's are OP, and KB/M unbalanced, like it always will be. |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t Orion Empire
519
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Posted - 2013.05.17 17:00:00 -
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So using items that are available in the game for their purpose is cheating now? |
Full Metal Kitten
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
345
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Posted - 2013.05.17 17:11:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:So using items that are available in the game for their purpose is cheating now? No, that's what the OPs girlfriend was doing while he was raging about a video game.
Or maybe I'm giving him too much credit? |
Goric Rumis
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
167
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Posted - 2013.05.17 17:26:00 -
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I didn't like AV grenades in Chromosome, but with the rebalancing in Uprising you're no longer easily able to spam them with nanohives, and a handful of grenades barely does anything to a tank. So now I feel like my forge gun actually has substantial effect that can't be matched, let alone outdone, by grenades. I'm fine with it. |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
345
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Posted - 2013.05.17 17:29:00 -
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Full Metal Kitten wrote:Django Quik wrote:So using items that are available in the game for their purpose is cheating now? No, that's what the OPs girlfriend was doing while he was raging about a video game. Or maybe I'm giving him too much credit?
Wow |
Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
940
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Posted - 2013.05.17 17:29:00 -
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Groza Tragediya wrote: Anyway the original intent of this post, to irradicate AV grenades all together.
Umm... No.
Keep your tank away from infantry.
That is the POINT of those AV Grenades. You are supposed to have an incentive to not drive your tank into places where people with AV Grenades could be hiding.
That's why your tank should always travel with an infantry screen when entering enclosed areas. It's their job to root out the Reds who want to throw stuff at your tank.
Bear in mind that we already had a substantial Militia Nanohive nerf to make AV Grenade spamming less of a cheap tactic.
So again...
No.
Sorry. |
Cpt Murd0ck
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
180
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Posted - 2013.05.17 17:31:00 -
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Since every dust bunnie likes a petition nowadays
Petition for this troll/QQ/cry baby thread to be locked
signed
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hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
82
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Posted - 2013.05.17 17:37:00 -
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Groza Tragediya wrote:Av nades. Tac Rifle. KB/M.
At the moment the cheapest and under handed ways to get kills, yet for some reason im getting told to HTFU because you cant stop using a crutch. Nicely done :D.
Anyway the original intent of this post, to irradicate AV grenades all together. They need to disappear. We now have three AV weapons availiable, and you dont have to spc into any of them to stand a chance, all militia and standard variants greatly out range blasters and shoot with high player mobility.
It pretty much beat Vehicles hands down, which id be fine with, if players weren't standing behind walls, on a nanohive, replenishing grenades as they throw AV insanely far completely safe. Whhich balance wise is completely and utterly off.
Getting proto AV. Nades is 627k isk getting a decent fitting tank is over 3mil. A decent tank fitting is 1mil+ isk, AV nades are much much much cheaper. Imbalance. They risk less and carry far more of an advantage. You could even say tanks are pointless.
Even with great squad support AV can be fired WAAAAY far away so destruction cannot be prevented at times. There is 0 justification for every player on foot to have AV capability through a slot that does not debuff them in some way. The AV weapons replace a primary weapon, av grenades allow you to have the same effectiveness but without slowing you down or hindering your infantry fighting capability. So you have super soldiers that can't be milled because they are Anti everything.
Translation:
"Stuff is killing me therefore it is OP and needs to be removed from the game...
Also never mind that a player with 10 million SP can annihilate a player with 2 million SP using no skill what so ever.
My spread sheet says i should win all the time"
Whiney EvE gibberish to English translation services have been brought to you hooc order. |
KPDATNIKKA
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
0
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Posted - 2013.05.17 17:49:00 -
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Groza Tragediya wrote:Av nades. Tac Rifle. KB/M.
At the moment the cheapest and under handed ways to get kills, yet for some reason im getting told to HTFU because you cant stop using a crutch. Nicely done :D.
Anyway the original intent of this post, to irradicate AV grenades all together. They need to disappear. We now have three AV weapons availiable, and you dont have to spc into any of them to stand a chance, all militia and standard variants greatly out range blasters and shoot with high player mobility.
It pretty much beat Vehicles hands down, which id be fine with, if players weren't standing behind walls, on a nanohive, replenishing grenades as they throw AV insanely far completely safe. Whhich balance wise is completely and utterly off.
Getting proto AV. Nades is 627k isk getting a decent fitting tank is over 3mil. A decent tank fitting is 1mil+ isk, AV nades are much much much cheaper. Imbalance. They risk less and carry far more of an advantage. You could even say tanks are pointless.
Even with great squad support AV can be fired WAAAAY far away so destruction cannot be prevented at times. There is 0 justification for every player on foot to have AV capability through a slot that does not debuff them in some way. The AV weapons replace a primary weapon, av grenades allow you to have the same effectiveness but without slowing you down or hindering your infantry fighting capability. So you have super soldiers that can't be milled because they are Anti everything. man Wtf is this **** man u cry babies always talking about removing or nerfing this and that. theres nothing wrong with av nades, yous sit here spam **** lav And tanks all day now u want avs gone kiss my ass with that **** I like when you nubs spam vehicles, I get a kick out that **** lol. |
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Xender17
Oblivion S.G.X
79
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Posted - 2013.05.17 17:57:00 -
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My only problem is AV nades+ nanohives. Also I could understand why it needs homing for LAV's but for tanks it just impossible to get away from them. |
Rynoceros
One-Armed Bandits
58
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Posted - 2013.05.17 18:08:00 -
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What's your weapon?
Doesn't matter. It's OP in certain situations and you should be ashamed for using it. |
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