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Torr Wrath
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.05.17 05:48:00 -
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Fix in this case meaning nerf the hell out of the weapon so its actually on par with the others?
Has CCP even acknowledged that its a problem yet? |
Sgt Buttscratch
G I A N T EoN.
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Posted - 2013.05.17 05:51:00 -
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yeah, just needs hip fire accuracy reduction and rof reduction, it'll be rocking |
Harkon Vysarii
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
293
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Posted - 2013.05.17 05:52:00 -
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Yeah I like the high damage on the TAR but it should be slight slower in terms of rof |
Full Metal Kitten
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
330
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Posted - 2013.05.17 05:52:00 -
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Instead of nerfing the TAR they buffed starter LAVs. Problem solved! |
David Spd
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2013.05.17 05:55:00 -
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Torr Wrath wrote:Fix in this case meaning nerf the hell out of the weapon so its actually on par with the others?
Has CCP even acknowledged that its a problem yet?
The only thing I've seen CCP say about the Tac is that they plan to "disable" the use of modded controllers. Will still be too good imo... |
Sontie
Ill Omens EoN.
312
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Posted - 2013.05.17 05:57:00 -
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The regular Ar easily beats it in cqc out to short ranges, is about equal at medium range, but loses at longer ranges.
nerf the Duvolle AR!
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Full Metal Kitten
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
330
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Posted - 2013.05.17 06:00:00 -
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Reduce clip size and ammo capacity. Done. No other change required. How many people are complaining without using it first? |
Torr Wrath
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
239
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Posted - 2013.05.17 06:24:00 -
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Full Metal Kitten wrote:Reduce clip size and ammo capacity. Done. No other change required. How many people are complaining without using it first?
Nothing about how it has the best damage projection at range that isnt a sniper riffle or a forge gun? or how its dps at any range short of -its- maximum is almost twice that of a normal ar under idea circumstances? I cant even locate a weapon that has superior dps to the TAR assuming perfect accuracy/firing as fast as you can.
Too bad its not an accurate weapon so it cant get most of that dps.. oh wait. |
David Spd
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2013.05.17 06:24:00 -
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Full Metal Kitten wrote:Reduce clip size and ammo capacity. Done. No other change required. How many people are complaining without using it first?
I've been using it since before it was "cool". At the distance it's good for people have a hard time fighting back. Virtually impossible if stacking dmg mods. Sniper without sway & penalising recoil. Close range doesn't really matter, only need a couple of bullets to land and it's entirely doable from the hip.
If you get a headshot at any point your TTK is cut more than half of what it'd take with body shots if it isn't just a kill outright.
Modded controller it fires like regular AR. Normal taps you can get whole mag out at a comparable speed to regular AR. Gun is broken imo. It needs morethan capacity & mag reduction if dmg stays the same. |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
234
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Posted - 2013.05.17 06:27:00 -
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Sontie wrote:The regular Ar easily beats it in cqc out to short ranges, is about equal at medium range, but loses at longer ranges.
nerf the Duvolle AR!
obvious denial is obvious
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Sontie
Ill Omens EoN.
317
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Posted - 2013.05.17 13:13:00 -
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I have ran across very few people with better aim than me at the TAR and mine is not as good as I want it to be. With the current clip size, I often can't kill someone due to missing.
The TAR has the potential to be OP, because of the ROF, but 99% of the time, no one is firing that fast. It DOES have kick and significant hip fire dispersion. The most dangerous people I've met are firing maybe 1-2 rounds per second, unless the target is standing dead still.
The TAR is to good, but only barely. The regular AR is to good to, if the SCR is supposed to be competitive that is. |
Terra Thesis
HDYLTA
40
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Posted - 2013.05.17 13:53:00 -
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Sontie wrote:The TAR is to good, but only barely. The regular AR is to good to, if the SCR is supposed to be competitive that is.
what about the LR? do you think it has a role on the battlefield today? |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
758
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Posted - 2013.05.17 13:58:00 -
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We hates it.
So much time and effort to stay out of the guy's line of fire and safely close the distance, and then it turns out that the gun is better in CQC than my SMG. |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
245
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:15:00 -
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Sontie wrote:I have ran across very few people with better aim than me at the TAR and mine is not as good as I want it to be. With the current clip size, I often can't kill someone due to missing.
The TAR has the potential to be OP, because of the ROF, but 99% of the time, no one is firing that fast. It DOES have kick and significant hip fire dispersion. The most dangerous people I've met are firing maybe 1-2 rounds per second, unless the target is standing dead still.
The TAR is to good, but only barely. The regular AR is to good to, if the SCR is supposed to be competitive that is. TAR and hipfire kick, good joke! your denial makes you look very stupid. do yourself a favor and stop posting... |
Sontie
Ill Omens EoN.
317
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:24:00 -
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The LR is a joke and needs a buff.
if you fire the AR and the TAR as fast as you can, you'll notice that the spread of the TAR is wider than the AR...
The TAR was king til they fixed aiming and buffed damage. You guys just haven't been paying attention, stuff on your Uprising launch QQ bender. |
martinofski
Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire
108
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:28:00 -
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TAR hip fire dispersion? Pretty sure it is more the lack of pin point hipfire aiming from the user. Unless you did try against a reddot at 10-20 m who was standing still and you counted the % of bullet which missed. It pretty hard to tell it is indeed dispersion.
Talk without proof to back it up is worth nothing.
On a general note, I do understand now how hard it is for CCP to make changes while listening to the forum. Don't blame them for looking at their stats and ignoring most of the post here, I would do the same. |
RedRebelCork
Ahrendee Mercenaries
64
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:29:00 -
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When people say TAR, do they mean all the tac rifles or just the Duvolle?
Duvolle is the best weapon by a country mile, so there is something wrong there. But the GLU-5 is hardly a god gun. |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
245
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:30:00 -
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Sontie wrote:The LR is a joke and needs a buff.
if you fire the AR and the TAR as fast as you can, you'll notice that the spread of the TAR is wider than the AR...
The TAR was king til they fixed aiming and buffed damage. You guys just haven't been paying attention, stuff on your Uprising launch QQ bender. denial and aiming issues detected |
bonkersfox
Foxhound Corporation
41
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Posted - 2013.05.17 15:33:00 -
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the tar is the m14 of the future, larger round, smaller clip size, I used to think like you guys, so I got myself a tac, it aint all that, with ar 1 round follows the next on target, with the tac, the crosshair jumps and you have to compensate, I cant see how it fires as quick as the ar though, logic would dictate that a semi auto would fire slower due to having to pull the trigger every shot, and the smaller mag meaning having to reload more often, iv been hearing rumblings about turbo pads, maybe that's how there firing so quick, its packs of tacs, iv gone back to ar, |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
18
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Posted - 2013.05.17 16:15:00 -
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bonkersfox wrote:the tar is the m14 of the future, larger round, smaller clip size, I used to think like you guys, so I got myself a tac, it aint all that, with ar 1 round follows the next on target, with the tac, the crosshair jumps and you have to compensate, I cant see how it fires as quick as the ar though, logic would dictate that a semi auto would fire slower due to having to pull the trigger every shot, and the smaller mag meaning having to reload more often, iv been hearing rumblings about turbo pads, maybe that's how there firing so quick, its packs of tacs, iv gone back to ar,
>turbo pads
I can fire the entire magazine of a tar in 4 seconds using a standard mouse landing 80% of the shots. Its not modded controllers, its mice. |
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Torr Wrath
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
247
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Posted - 2013.05.17 17:03:00 -
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RedRebelCork wrote:When people say TAR, do they mean all the tac rifles or just the Duvolle?
Duvolle is the best weapon by a country mile, so there is something wrong there. But the GLU-5 is hardly a god gun.
Considering weapons are increased based on percents.. the GLU-5 is just as bad for an advanced gun. Hell the GLU-5 would still make a pretty kick ass proto gun as it barely loses anything. a what.. 4.5% damage decrease? a couple m of range? the GLU-5 would still be an OP gun if it was proto. Its just not as good as the proto variant. |
Fiasco Llana
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
255
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Posted - 2013.05.17 17:12:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:bonkersfox wrote:the tar is the m14 of the future, larger round, smaller clip size, I used to think like you guys, so I got myself a tac, it aint all that, with ar 1 round follows the next on target, with the tac, the crosshair jumps and you have to compensate, I cant see how it fires as quick as the ar though, logic would dictate that a semi auto would fire slower due to having to pull the trigger every shot, and the smaller mag meaning having to reload more often, iv been hearing rumblings about turbo pads, maybe that's how there firing so quick, its packs of tacs, iv gone back to ar, >turbo pads I can fire the entire magazine of a tar in 4 seconds using a standard mouse landing 80% of the shots. Its not modded controllers, its mice.
Agreed, I can spam the Sh*t out of R1 on controller or mouse. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
82
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Posted - 2013.05.17 17:22:00 -
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Torr Wrath wrote:Fix in this case meaning nerf the hell out of the weapon so its actually on par with the others?
Has CCP even acknowledged that its a problem yet?
People running around with 10 million SP going against people with 2 million.
Yeah sure the TAR is what is unbalanced...yeah right. |
bonkersfox
Foxhound Corporation
41
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Posted - 2013.05.17 17:35:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:[quote=bonkersfox]the tar is the m14 of the future, larger round, smaller clip size, I used to think like you guys, so I got myself a tac, it aint all that, with ar 1 round follows the next on target, with the tac, the crosshair jumps and you have to compensate, I cant see how it fires as quick as the ar though, logic would dictate that a semi auto would fire slower due to having to pull the trigger every shot, and the smaller mag meaning having to reload more often, iv been hearing rumblings about turbo pads, maybe that's how there firing so quick, its packs of tacs, iv gone back to ar,
>turbo pads
I can fire the entire magazine of a tar in 4 seconds using a standard mouse landing 80% of the shots. Its not modded controllers, its mice.[/quote
I see where your coming from, its just the click of the finger, it must just be me with my standard dualshock, movement and use of a mouse is more confined or tighter... suites fps games better.. |
Torr Wrath
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
247
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Posted - 2013.05.17 17:51:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Torr Wrath wrote:Fix in this case meaning nerf the hell out of the weapon so its actually on par with the others?
Has CCP even acknowledged that its a problem yet? People running around with 10 million SP going against people with 2 million. Yeah sure the TAR is what is unbalanced...yeah right.
Im one of the guys with 10 mill. Yeah. it is unbalanced. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.05.17 17:53:00 -
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There've already been many posts on the raw numbers of the TAR, and why it's silly-strong. I'd think that would be enough. There was also a CPM feedback thread on the TAR I believe, though I don't recall anything coming of that. |
RoTTeN-1
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.05.17 20:34:00 -
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How about they buff the other ARs range. Maybe then we will see people use something other than the Tac. All you people do around here is QQ and cry for nerfs. You should cry for buffs instead. |
THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
40
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Posted - 2013.05.17 20:59:00 -
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Sontie wrote:The regular Ar easily beats it in cqc out to short ranges, is about equal at medium range, but loses at longer ranges.
nerf the Duvolle AR!
All of my what...
It's not like the Duvolle Tac with 5 enhanced damage mods doesn't 4 hit almost any suit right? |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
424
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Posted - 2013.05.17 21:00:00 -
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the TAR small clip size is not a big enough limiter they also need to reduce its RoF to less then the breach AR. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.05.17 21:01:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=76001&find=unread please use this thread. |
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