DUST Search - very unbalanced game

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DropKickSuicide wrote:

Grenadez Rollack wrote:

Dropkick you must not have noticed alot of ppl are specing into lav's now. Yea its still militia being run but its some good lav's now too. I hacked a enemy lav took dmg from a tank sped away and still survived 2 hits from swarms

Iv noticed, also if Shield Tanked Swarms really shouldnt do all that much and they wer most likely Militia aswell ( and probly 0sp speccd for AV )

Im not saying that nothing needs to be done about LAVS, BUT one reason they seem even more OP atm is that no-one really specs AV. So you've got OP LAVs running around with no counters.

im a tank and there are quite a few AV mercs right now. LAVs are honestly better than tanks now. you put a logistics LAV up against any tank, if the pilots are of equal skill, the lav will win if the gunner can aim at all. they are completely unkillable. Nerf mlt LAvs, nerf AV, and nerf AR's and this game will be perfect.

Il take your word on that, but it just seems that Im always the only one running strictly AV. Thers been many games wer thers 3-4 Tanks on the feild and I have 0 support.

But honestly at the same time I do feel Tanks need a slight Buff, cuz when there are 3-4 Tanks on the feild I can usually take atleast 2 of them by myself. How ever I can DEF tell when Im going up against a GOOD Tanker ( and I LOVE those moments )

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Grenadez Rollack ZionTCD Unclaimed. 16	Posted - 2013.05.17 03:57:00 - [1] - Quote Ok its clear that someone in ccp has something against heavies. Can we get a real clear date on when we can respec. If I have to continue to wait while basically every other class over power the heavy class I dont see the need to keep playing. I mean all you got to do is grab a lav and run over all the heavies you see. I mean its not like they quick enough to get out the way. Or better yet lets just surround the heavy and stat out his range and kill him with devoulle and tar's. Not like he's fast enough to get to cover. Then you say you won't do the respec until you redo the skill tree. The heavy has been broken since uprising and the only thing you did was Gave some dmg.
Scramble Scrub Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 213	Posted - 2013.05.17 03:58:00 - [2] - Quote against heavies? HAVE YOU SEEN THE DROPSHIPS WE FLY?!
Human Anamoly Planetary Response Organization 4	Posted - 2013.05.17 04:46:00 - [3] - Quote Scramble Scrub wrote: against heavies? HAVE YOU SEEN THE DROPSHIPS WE FLY?! bump for pilots.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 458	Posted - 2013.05.17 05:14:00 - [4] - Quote Lol they rebuffed the hmgs back to being formidable. Any heavy that doesn't pack AV nades deserves to be run down by a starter fit LAV.
Rogatien Merc Ill Omens EoN. 51	Posted - 2013.05.17 05:18:00 - [5] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Lol they rebuffed the hmgs back to being formidable. Any heavy that doesn't pack AV nades deserves to be run down by a starter fit LAV. This. They are decent once again.
Rogatien Merc Ill Omens EoN. 51	Posted - 2013.05.17 05:20:00 - [6] - Quote Also surrounded is dead for any suit save a jumpy shotty which perversely relishes that ****. Rage less... l2p better.
Andius Fidelitas The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 58	Posted - 2013.05.17 05:21:00 - [7] - Quote Human Anamoly wrote: Scramble Scrub wrote: against heavies? HAVE YOU SEEN THE DROPSHIPS WE FLY?! bump for pilots. babump. CCP hates fliers, and they eat babies, true story.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 271	Posted - 2013.05.17 05:23:00 - [8] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Lol they rebuffed the hmgs back to being formidable. Any heavy that doesn't pack AV nades deserves to be run down by a starter fit LAV. Save for the part where you need lv4 packed EXO av nades to kill a militia LAV now. so basically, it'll shrug it off and use your face as a ramp.
DropKickSuicide Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 114	Posted - 2013.05.17 05:28:00 - [9] - Quote Rogatien Merc wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Lol they rebuffed the hmgs back to being formidable. Any heavy that doesn't pack AV nades deserves to be run down by a starter fit LAV. This. They are decent once again. Pre Uprising build the HMG did 17.6 damage, after Uprising HMG did 14.5, NOW the HMG does 18.0 Tho it is much more usefull now then when Uprising 1st launched, I really dont see .4 damge as a "Buff" but more like a "Reset"
DropKickSuicide Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 114	Posted - 2013.05.17 05:30:00 - [10] - Quote LAVs should pose no real threat to a Good heavy, FG and AV nades are your friend

Rogatien Merc Ill Omens EoN. 51	Posted - 2013.05.17 05:32:00 - [11] - Quote DropKickSuicide wrote: Rogatien Merc wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Lol they rebuffed the hmgs back to being formidable. Any heavy that doesn't pack AV nades deserves to be run down by a starter fit LAV. This. They are decent once again. Pre Uprising build the HMG did 17.6 damage, after Uprising HMG did 14.5, NOW the HMG does 18.0 Tho it is much more usefull now then when Uprising 1st launched, I really dont see .4 damge as a "Buff" but more like a "Reset" Who said 'buff'? They are decent and fill the role well again. My Cal assault std AR isn't up to pre uprising rapefest either... but its decent too. Edit... oh there it is. N/m.
DigiOps Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 246	Posted - 2013.05.17 05:38:00 - [12] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Lol they rebuffed the hmgs back to being formidable. Any heavy that doesn't pack AV nades deserves to be run down by a starter fit LAV. Keep talking like that and those militia LAVs may get another HP buff.
WyrmHero1945 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 271	Posted - 2013.05.17 05:46:00 - [13] - Quote ie. AR vs SR
XeroTheBigBoss Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 305	Posted - 2013.05.17 05:46:00 - [14] - Quote Heavies keep saying they suck bla bla bla. I see heavies do good. I think you are using them the wrong way is all. If a sniper runs around trying to no scope you aren't gonna see him in here making threads that snipers get no love.
DropKickSuicide Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 114	Posted - 2013.05.17 05:50:00 - [15] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: Heavies keep saying they suck bla bla bla. I see heavies do good. I think you are using them the wrong way is all. If a sniper runs around trying to no scope you aren't gonna see him in here making threads that snipers get no love. I agree, the HMG does still need a little work and we def need are racial varients and more diverse weapons but overall I have no problem playing my Role as a Heavy. Oh and speeking of No scoping did they fix that for Uprising or is it still the same? cuz that sht was FUN
Patoman Radiant ZionTCD Unclaimed. 106	Posted - 2013.05.17 05:50:00 - [16] - Quote Doesn't seem to stop Mr-gunfire, and others from pubstomping in heavy suits. The slots and bonues are not quite balanced with assult suit, but they do get a higher base HP and ability to use heavy weapons. Also heavy suits now cost the same as assult and scouts.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 422	Posted - 2013.05.17 05:57:00 - [17] - Quote from the PC fights with southern legion I can tell you the game is balanced. btw good matches guys from the HAV driver you guys got better in the second match for HAVs. it all comes together pretty well. glitches sure there's a few more to work out but its going in the right way. if you base it off of pub matches then you are asking to be greifed even by your own team and all other imbalances in skill and teamwork.
Kovak Therim ZionTCD Unclaimed. 249	Posted - 2013.05.17 06:21:00 - [18] - Quote DropKickSuicide wrote: LAVs should pose no real threat to a Good heavy, FG and AV nades are your friend lol A FG takes forever to charge and after the HP buff, AV grenades won't save you (even if the grenade does anything at all or your idiot toon actually throws it). I'm pretty sure a starter LAV can survive a hit from a FG now, too. I'm not sure of this, though.
Grenadez Rollack ZionTCD Unclaimed. 16	Posted - 2013.05.17 06:22:00 - [19] - Quote I'm not saying the hmg is the only thing that needs looked at. I play heavy so thats all I can speak on. I cant fly dropships. So I cantspeak on dropships. The main problem with the hmg was the range not the dmg. Range added to the slow movement speed makes Iit difficult in objective mode. I mean who actually wants to sit at one objective for the entire match. And its hard to push with no range and speed. Pub matches are easy but pc matches against a good tactical team is alot more difficult unless you play more defensively. Last build offered type 2 and b series which gave you more mobility and helped you be more aggressive. And even if you play point defense its still hard to keep the enemy suppressed. Few ppl charge with duvoulle and your done considering your turning speed and their quickness. But what I'm saying is fine if that's how you want the heavy to be cool but com on with the respec or other race variants. Btw those lav's are very powerful now. Lav zooms in from behind and before you can turn and throw a av grenade your a hood ornament.
DropKickSuicide Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 114	Posted - 2013.05.17 06:25:00 - [20] - Quote Kovak Therim wrote: DropKickSuicide wrote: LAVs should pose no real threat to a Good heavy, FG and AV nades are your friend lol A FG takes forever to charge and after the HP buff, AV grenades won't save you (even if the grenade does anything at all or your idiot toon actually throws it). I'm pretty sure a starter LAV can survive a hit from a FG now, too. I'm not sure of this, though. A proto Assualt has a Charge up time of 1.5sec not to mention the redutcion from skills, Unless you are just ignorant to your suroundings a starter LAV should be no problem for a GOOD Heavy and FG.

Grenadez Rollack ZionTCD Unclaimed. 16	Posted - 2013.05.17 06:28:00 - [21] - Quote I ve had alot of good games in pub matches. Gotten alot of kills. But when you got assault and logis with almost the same armor twice the speed and mobility 3 times the damage twice the range why should I say as a heavy. Just give me my respec and let me grab a proto assault with the tar and jump on the band wagon
Kovak Therim ZionTCD Unclaimed. 249	Posted - 2013.05.17 06:30:00 - [22] - Quote DropKickSuicide wrote: A proto Assualt has a Charge up time of 1.5sec not to mention the redutcion from skills, Unless you are just ignorant to your suroundings a starter LAV should be no problem for a GOOD Heavy and FG. Fair enough (I miss my AFG, hurry up with the damn respec), however you agree with me on the AV grenades. They are useless now without a buff. They barely scratch vehicles now IMO.
SoTa of PoP Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 293	Posted - 2013.05.17 06:30:00 - [23] - Quote Grenadez Rollack wrote: when you got assault and logis with almost the same armor twice the speed and mobility 3 times the damage twice the range Delusional much? Heavy suit is not for the faint of heart. Assault scrubs go that way ---->
Kovak Therim ZionTCD Unclaimed. 249	Posted - 2013.05.17 06:31:00 - [24] - Quote Grenadez Rollack wrote: I ve had alot of good games in pub matches. Gotten alot of kills. But when you got assault and logis with almost the same armor twice the speed and mobility 3 times the damage twice the range why should I say as a heavy. Just give me my respec and let me grab a proto assault with the tar and jump on the band wagon I bailed from my heavy suit and regret it. I'm waiting on the respec so I can correct that mistake.
Grenadez Rollack ZionTCD Unclaimed. 16	Posted - 2013.05.17 06:34:00 - [25] - Quote Dropkick you must not have noticed alot of ppl are specing into lav's now. Yea its still militia being run but its some good lav's now too. I hacked a enemy lav took dmg from a tank sped away and still survived 2 hits from swarms
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 423	Posted - 2013.05.17 06:34:00 - [26] - Quote Kovak Therim wrote: DropKickSuicide wrote: A proto Assualt has a Charge up time of 1.5sec not to mention the redutcion from skills, Unless you are just ignorant to your suroundings a starter LAV should be no problem for a GOOD Heavy and FG. Fair enough (I miss my AFG, hurry up with the damn respec), however you agree with me on the AV grenades. They are useless now without a buff. They barely scratch vehicles now IMO. they toke DPS away from HAV for a general vehicle tankness buffing. can't say anything for DS but LAV are ok, maybe slightly on the OP side once skilled and fitted correctly but HAVs are as balanced as they can get, well besides speed im still mad at that but w/e.
DropKickSuicide Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 114	Posted - 2013.05.17 06:36:00 - [27] - Quote Kovak Therim wrote: DropKickSuicide wrote: A proto Assualt has a Charge up time of 1.5sec not to mention the redutcion from skills, Unless you are just ignorant to your suroundings a starter LAV should be no problem for a GOOD Heavy and FG. Fair enough (I miss my AFG, hurry up with the damn respec), however you agree with me on the AV grenades. They are useless now without a buff. They barely scratch vehicles now IMO. I do agree on the AV nades, Honestly I believe the LAV buff was to counter theyr mistake on the EXO-AV nades. They know everyone that could stocked up on them and since it was theyr fualt they couldnt just take em away, SO... LAV BUFF IT IS YAY!
Vin Vicious Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 78	Posted - 2013.05.17 06:39:00 - [28] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Lol they rebuffed the hmgs back to being formidable. Any heavy that doesn't pack AV nades deserves to be run down by a starter fit LAV. This, heavies are CQC you shouldn't be walking around alone or in the open at all.
Grenadez Rollack ZionTCD Unclaimed. 16	Posted - 2013.05.17 06:39:00 - [29] - Quote Lol you probably use the lav
DropKickSuicide Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 115	Posted - 2013.05.17 06:41:00 - [30] - Quote Grenadez Rollack wrote: Dropkick you must not have noticed alot of ppl are specing into lav's now. Yea its still militia being run but its some good lav's now too. I hacked a enemy lav took dmg from a tank sped away and still survived 2 hits from swarms Iv noticed, also if Shield Tanked Swarms really shouldnt do all that much and they wer most likely Militia aswell ( and probly 0sp speccd for AV ) Im not saying that nothing needs to be done about LAVS, BUT one reason they seem even more OP atm is that no-one really specs AV. So you've got OP LAVs running around with no counters.

Grenadez Rollack ZionTCD Unclaimed. 16	Posted - 2013.05.17 06:42:00 - [31] - Quote Vin true but look how enormous the map is. All the action u miss out on because you re contained to one point. I've never been a camper in any fps game. That's why I hate COD
DropKickSuicide Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 115	Posted - 2013.05.17 06:42:00 - [32] - Quote Vin Vicious wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Lol they rebuffed the hmgs back to being formidable. Any heavy that doesn't pack AV nades deserves to be run down by a starter fit LAV. This, heavies are CQC you shouldn't be walking around alone or in the open at all. Only the HMG is CQC, I love sitting in the open with a fully charged Breach just waiting
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 72	Posted - 2013.05.17 06:43:00 - [33] - Quote Kovak Therim wrote: DropKickSuicide wrote: LAVs should pose no real threat to a Good heavy, FG and AV nades are your friend lol A FG takes forever to charge and after the HP buff, AV grenades won't save you (even if the grenade does anything at all or your idiot toon actually throws it). I'm pretty sure a starter LAV can survive a hit from a FG now, too. I'm not sure of this, though. They can depending on circumstances. It just means us Forge Gunners have to up our game. Start slapping on a Complex Damage mod, proto forges, etc.
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 72	Posted - 2013.05.17 06:44:00 - [34] - Quote DropKickSuicide wrote: Vin Vicious wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Lol they rebuffed the hmgs back to being formidable. Any heavy that doesn't pack AV nades deserves to be run down by a starter fit LAV. This, heavies are CQC you shouldn't be walking around alone or in the open at all. Only the HMG is CQC, I love sitting in the open with a fully charged Breach just waiting You are a very sick man. +1 for baiting and harvesting dummies.
Grenadez Rollack ZionTCD Unclaimed. 16	Posted - 2013.05.17 06:45:00 - [35] - Quote And yes the waysthis build is I very strongly believe squads need to work on their tactics.
Grenadez Rollack ZionTCD Unclaimed. 16	Posted - 2013.05.17 06:50:00 - [36] - Quote Assault and scout are quick enough to dodge lav's heavies are not. I think one of the other race variants will be more like the b series. That's what I need
DropKickSuicide Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 115	Posted - 2013.05.17 06:55:00 - [37] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: DropKickSuicide wrote: Vin Vicious wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Lol they rebuffed the hmgs back to being formidable. Any heavy that doesn't pack AV nades deserves to be run down by a starter fit LAV. This, heavies are CQC you shouldn't be walking around alone or in the open at all. Only the HMG is CQC, I love sitting in the open with a fully charged Breach just waiting You are a very sick man. +1 for baiting and harvesting dummies. Thanks you, You can also do it with a well aware squad all equipeed with ADV AV Nades ( cant garuntee full squad safety tho )
CharCharOdell 5o1st 82	Posted - 2013.05.17 07:11:00 - [38] - Quote Hate heavies!? At least you still have PG! Vehicles have NO PG and tanks are hit the hardest by this nerf! Seriously. If the assault rifles and AV were nerfed, this game would be perfectly balanced bc everything else is FINE, but they dont seem like it bc of AV and ARs- the 2 most OP things in the game
CharCharOdell 5o1st 82	Posted - 2013.05.17 07:13:00 - [39] - Quote DropKickSuicide wrote: Grenadez Rollack wrote: Dropkick you must not have noticed alot of ppl are specing into lav's now. Yea its still militia being run but its some good lav's now too. I hacked a enemy lav took dmg from a tank sped away and still survived 2 hits from swarms Iv noticed, also if Shield Tanked Swarms really shouldnt do all that much and they wer most likely Militia aswell ( and probly 0sp speccd for AV ) Im not saying that nothing needs to be done about LAVS, BUT one reason they seem even more OP atm is that no-one really specs AV. So you've got OP LAVs running around with no counters. im a tank and there are quite a few AV mercs right now. LAVs are honestly better than tanks now. you put a logistics LAV up against any tank, if the pilots are of equal skill, the lav will win if the gunner can aim at all. they are completely unkillable. Nerf mlt LAvs, nerf AV, and nerf AR's and this game will be perfect.
Frontline Medic On-Sight-Response 19	Posted - 2013.05.17 07:28:00 - [40] - Quote What free lav do you have op? Mine gos boom with one AV nade.

DropKickSuicide Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 116	Posted - 2013.05.17 07:35:00 - [41] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: DropKickSuicide wrote: Grenadez Rollack wrote: Dropkick you must not have noticed alot of ppl are specing into lav's now. Yea its still militia being run but its some good lav's now too. I hacked a enemy lav took dmg from a tank sped away and still survived 2 hits from swarms Iv noticed, also if Shield Tanked Swarms really shouldnt do all that much and they wer most likely Militia aswell ( and probly 0sp speccd for AV ) Im not saying that nothing needs to be done about LAVS, BUT one reason they seem even more OP atm is that no-one really specs AV. So you've got OP LAVs running around with no counters. im a tank and there are quite a few AV mercs right now. LAVs are honestly better than tanks now. you put a logistics LAV up against any tank, if the pilots are of equal skill, the lav will win if the gunner can aim at all. they are completely unkillable. Nerf mlt LAvs, nerf AV, and nerf AR's and this game will be perfect. Il take your word on that, but it just seems that Im always the only one running strictly AV. Thers been many games wer thers 3-4 Tanks on the feild and I have 0 support. But honestly at the same time I do feel Tanks need a slight Buff, cuz when there are 3-4 Tanks on the feild I can usually take atleast 2 of them by myself. How ever I can DEF tell when Im going up against a GOOD Tanker ( and I LOVE those moments )
Grenadez Rollack ZionTCD Unclaimed. 16	Posted - 2013.05.17 07:37:00 - [42] - Quote I just went 13-1 half of those by running over the enemy with a militia lav. If you cant beat em join em
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 423	Posted - 2013.05.17 07:39:00 - [43] - Quote DropKickSuicide wrote: CharCharOdell wrote: DropKickSuicide wrote: Grenadez Rollack wrote: Dropkick you must not have noticed alot of ppl are specing into lav's now. Yea its still militia being run but its some good lav's now too. I hacked a enemy lav took dmg from a tank sped away and still survived 2 hits from swarms Iv noticed, also if Shield Tanked Swarms really shouldnt do all that much and they wer most likely Militia aswell ( and probly 0sp speccd for AV ) Im not saying that nothing needs to be done about LAVS, BUT one reason they seem even more OP atm is that no-one really specs AV. So you've got OP LAVs running around with no counters. im a tank and there are quite a few AV mercs right now. LAVs are honestly better than tanks now. you put a logistics LAV up against any tank, if the pilots are of equal skill, the lav will win if the gunner can aim at all. they are completely unkillable. Nerf mlt LAvs, nerf AV, and nerf AR's and this game will be perfect. Il take your word on that, but it just seems that Im always the only one running strictly AV. Thers been many games wer thers 3-4 Tanks on the feild and I have 0 support. But honestly at the same time I do feel Tanks need a slight Buff, cuz when there are 3-4 Tanks on the feild I can usually take atleast 2 of them by myself. How ever I can DEF tell when Im going up against a GOOD Tanker ( and I LOVE those moments ) sure if a LLAV could do the same damage as a HAV, but they can't, in fact the turret does half damage then what is posted on LLAV
undeadsoldier90 Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 427	Posted - 2013.05.17 07:40:00 - [44] - Quote Grenadez Rollack wrote: Ok its clear that someone in ccp has something against heavies. Can we get a real clear date on when we can respec. If I have to continue to wait while basically every other class over power the heavy class I dont see the need to keep playing. I mean all you got to do is grab a lav and run over all the heavies you see. I mean its not like they quick enough to get out the way. Or better yet lets just surround the heavy and stat out his range and kill him with devoulle and tar's. Not like he's fast enough to get to cover. Then you say you won't do the respec until you redo the skill tree. The heavy has been broken since uprising and the only thing you did was Gave some dmg. maybe you should skill into spell check......
XeroTheBigBoss Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 306	Posted - 2013.05.17 07:41:00 - [45] - Quote My main thing of this game is I feel like it's more spray and praying than anything. I have already made a feedback thread about this if you wanna help provide feedback on the frame rate aim issue. I am just used to having to shoot directly at the enemy. In almost if not all the shooters I have ever played and found entertaining enough to actually keep playing them, this is the first shooter I have played where it gives the spray and pray element a equal playing field as the guy with the actual gun game skill. In this game you aren't shooting directly on the enemy anymore like it was in Chromosome build, now you are having to shoot where the enemy is going making it extremely irritating. Even in the PC matches that have even MORE lag piled on top of the already frame rate issues. It's just a negative recipe is all. I really hope CCP can fix this soon or let me know if they can't fix it so I know if I need to just go CqC or not.
Grenadez Rollack ZionTCD Unclaimed. 16	Posted - 2013.05.17 07:49:00 - [46] - Quote Ok undead soon as I get my respec I'll be sure to do that lol. But seriously I'm not that great at spelling add to the fact im typing on a touch screen phone with my fat fingers
Mobias Wyvern Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 60	Posted - 2013.07.06 04:59:00 - [47] - Quote Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this......... Planetside 2 Coming to PS4 this year 1080p Ultra settings at Night Intense Open Field Battle 100 Man Infantry Objective Push Desert Infantry Line Huge Desert Tank Battle 100 Tank Convoy 150 man Air Raid 65/0 Kill streak in the air NC Montage Planetside 2 Machinima Factions Explained Why you should Play Planetside 2 From Vets


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