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Panther Alpha WarRavens 218	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:05:00 - [1] - Quote Is a group of players at the moment that are in an unfair situation. I talking about the 5.000.000 SP alts. Why 5,000,000 SP players, are playing against 11.000.0000 + SP players in regular basics ? this is wrong, and unfair for anyone that is the lower group of the SP cap. The difference is very noticeable, and not very enjoyable. Before you say HTFU, i already done it... i started a new alt, and gone into noob mode. I just keeping my other alt active for Corp battles... no like i going to make a significant difference on PC anyway, because PC is going to be dominated by people in higher end of the SP cap.
Geth Massredux Defensores Doctrina 341	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:07:00 - [2] - Quote Yep, I will replace the HTFU with a warm welcome to New Eden, where your tears I drink for breakfest... Well since im not an eve player, they can tell you all about the------------ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ - Geth
Mark The Red The NM Militia 13	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:19:00 - [3] - Quote Coming from a rookie with a total of 3.5 mill SP, I don't mind duking it out with protosuits. Gettin' my booty kicked in is actually kinda fun. Makes it a challenge. What annoys me is the high costs of suits, which makes everyone change to militia the moment a squad of Imps appear on the opposite side. We'll not get into that though. Frankly, SP doesn't give you that big of an advantage. The difference between an advanced and proto is 100 hp and 10% damage. Considering it costs twice as much..
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 528	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:20:00 - [4] - Quote SP is easily overcome by player skill. Get good.
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 275	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:20:00 - [5] - Quote In theory the higher SP players will be spending most of their time in PC.
Xender17 Oblivion S.G.X 78	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:21:00 - [6] - Quote Proto's aren't Gods. They are Titans. So they are killable.
ZDub 303 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 153	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:22:00 - [7] - Quote just keep grinding that cap.. with the x6 change on suits, its easier than the x8 in chrome.. and CCP is saying they are restructuring the skill tree to make it EVEN EASIER. Really, not that much to QQ about. This game is way more noob friendly than chromosome ever was.
ZDub 303 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 153	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:23:00 - [8] - Quote double post
Icy Xenosmilus Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 273	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:23:00 - [9] - Quote You do realize, that after 4 million SP there's no reason not to be able to at least compete.
Full Metal Kitten Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 323	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:25:00 - [10] - Quote Mark The Red wrote: Frankly, SP doesn't give you that big of an advantage Lol

Panther Alpha WarRavens 218	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:26:00 - [11] - Quote Mark The Red wrote: Coming from a rookie with a total of 3.5 mill SP, I don't mind duking it out with protosuits. Gettin' my booty kicked in is actually kinda fun. Makes it a challenge. What annoys me is the high costs of suits, which makes everyone change to militia the moment a squad of Imps appear on the opposite side. We'll not get into that though. Frankly, SP doesn't give you that big of an advantage. The difference between an advanced and proto is 100 hp and 10% damage. Considering it costs twice as much.. You forgetting about ; Weapon Skills, and dropsuit upgrades... which give you a significant boost to you weapons efficiency, and modules you can equip... that + Pro-suits ...that makes a big difference.
Goat of Dover Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 166	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:29:00 - [12] - Quote Can't agree with the posts more its skill man. If I can take scout with 187 EHP and go toe to toe with proto I really feel its the skill not gear. Also before u say scouts are hard to hit I kill them no problem to. only issue I have is tax and this shotty Minni doped assault last night. He was really fast like really fast.
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 528	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:31:00 - [13] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: You forgetting about ; Weapon Skills, and dropsuit upgrades... which give you a significant boost to you weapons efficiency, and modules you can equip... that + Pro-suits ...that makes a big difference. Meh. Last time I played, I started off with 500k SP. This was mid-March, so there were already people with 10m SP. This resulted in a bit of frustration... I started off with about a 0.8 KDR, then managed to get it up to 1.2 or 1.3 within a week. Just to clarify, this was with about 1.5m SP, against people in protosuits. It doesn't make as big a difference as you're making out to be.
Arness Zeta Simply Surreal 1	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:31:00 - [14] - Quote Xender17 wrote: Proto's aren't Gods. They are Titans. So they are killable. You obviously haven't played god of war..
Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 274	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:32:00 - [15] - Quote I thought you were going to complain about people who just started and must go weaks before really being able to specialize anywhere. I just hit 5 million skill points this week, and I definitely feel competitive when I play.
Malkai Inos The Vanguardians Orion Empire 67	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:34:00 - [16] - Quote 2.2m SP and i love killing protos left right and center with my slightly upgraded (GLU Tac + Flux Repper) militia medic suit. I imagine it to be way less satisfying when your enemies don't have 2x+ your EHP and cost 20x+ more. Doesn't mean i don't struggle to keep a positive KDR against full squads but every lucky kill costs them more than what i lose throughout the whole match.
Panther Alpha WarRavens 218	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:34:00 - [17] - Quote Delirium Inferno wrote: I thought you were going to complain about people who just started and must go weaks before really being able to specialize anywhere. I just hit 5 million skill points this week, and I definitely feel competitive when I play. Nahh.. make a new alt, and try the Battle Academy... you'll see how much better you could be doing in FAIR battle conditions.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS 1359	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:35:00 - [18] - Quote I have SP because I played, they don't because they didn't. I fail to see the problem here.
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 293	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:36:00 - [19] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: Is a group of players at the moment that are in an unfair situation. I talking about the 5.000.000 SP alts. Why 5,000,000 SP players, are playing against 11.000.0000 + SP players in regular basics ? this is wrong, and unfair for anyone that is the lower group of the SP cap. The difference is very noticeable, and not very enjoyable. Before you say HTFU, i already done it... i started a new alt, and gone into noob mode. I just keeping my other alt active for Corp battles... no like i going to make a significant difference on PC anyway, because PC is going to be dominated by people in the higher end of the SP cap. Yup thats just how things are. Dust isnt fair I do well with my 6.5 mill and i cant complain.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS 1359	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:36:00 - [20] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: Delirium Inferno wrote: I thought you were going to complain about people who just started and must go weaks before really being able to specialize anywhere. I just hit 5 million skill points this week, and I definitely feel competitive when I play. Nahh.. make a new alt, and try the Battle Academy... you'll see how much better you could be doing in FAIR battle conditions. No one said this game was supposed to be fair

David Spd Red Star. EoN. 8	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:38:00 - [21] - Quote I'm at 5m and I don't really care about the 10+m players. I can kill them just fine. It's only problematic if I'm solo and there's six of them. If I'm in a squad it doesn't really matter though. the difference between 5 & 10 mil isn't really that big in my experience. They get a couple higher tiered modules I don't have and that's about it.
Panther Alpha WarRavens 218	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:40:00 - [22] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: Delirium Inferno wrote: I thought you were going to complain about people who just started and must go weaks before really being able to specialize anywhere. I just hit 5 million skill points this week, and I definitely feel competitive when I play. Nahh.. make a new alt, and try the Battle Academy... you'll see how much better you could be doing in FAIR battle conditions. No one said this game was supposed to be fair Well... read up ^... almost everyone in this thread is saying that SP makes no difference....
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS 1361	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:42:00 - [23] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: Delirium Inferno wrote: I thought you were going to complain about people who just started and must go weaks before really being able to specialize anywhere. I just hit 5 million skill points this week, and I definitely feel competitive when I play. Nahh.. make a new alt, and try the Battle Academy... you'll see how much better you could be doing in FAIR battle conditions. No one said this game was supposed to be fair Well... read up ^... almost everyone in this thread is saying that SP makes no difference.... Skills and "talent"( ) aren't fair either. I'm sorry, but little Timmy can't be on a proffessional basket ball team.
Bubba Brown Militaires Sans Jeux 51	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:42:00 - [24] - Quote there's a reason Eve is divided into high, low, and null sec there is no reason dust doesn't have a similar division
Panther Alpha WarRavens 218	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:46:00 - [25] - Quote Bubba Brown wrote: there's a reason Eve is divided into high, low, and null sec there is no reason dust doesn't have a similar division Yeah... but in Dust, low and high are the same thing... and null is the Battle Academy.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4226	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:47:00 - [26] - Quote 11 years to cap out.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS 1361	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:49:00 - [27] - Quote face palm Null sec is no security, it's not the battle academy
Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 274	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:51:00 - [28] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: Delirium Inferno wrote: I thought you were going to complain about people who just started and must go weaks before really being able to specialize anywhere. I just hit 5 million skill points this week, and I definitely feel competitive when I play. Nahh.. make a new alt, and try the Battle Academy... you'll see how much better you could be doing in FAIR battle conditions. Why would I want to do that when I am going 10-2 as a logi with 5 million SP?
Panther Alpha WarRavens 218	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:51:00 - [29] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: face palm Null sec is no security, it's not the battle academy And in Dust we shoot each other with guns, in a planet, in a First Person View ... you do that in EvE to huh ?
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 529	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:52:00 - [30] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: And in Dust we shoot each other with guns, in a planet, in a First Person View ... you do that in EvE to huh ? In a planet? I'm not sure anyone shoots anyone in a planet. But yes, capsuleers shoot each other with guns.

Panther Alpha WarRavens 218	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:55:00 - [31] - Quote Laheon wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: And in Dust we shoot each other with guns, in a planet, in a First Person View ... you do that in EvE to huh ? In a planet? I'm not sure anyone shoots anyone in a planet. But yes, capsuleers shoot each other with guns. Well... looks like i going to be in the Battle Academy for Longggggggg time...jut keep deleting alts, and making new ones.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS 1361	Posted - 2013.05.16 23:56:00 - [32] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: Laheon wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: And in Dust we shoot each other with guns, in a planet, in a First Person View ... you do that in EvE to huh ? In a planet? I'm not sure anyone shoots anyone in a planet. But yes, capsuleers shoot each other with guns. Well... looks like i going to be in the Battle Academy for Longggggggg time...jut keep deleting alts, and making new ones. Hey, if you want to play COD 514, then feel free to do so.
Panther Alpha WarRavens 218	Posted - 2013.05.17 00:00:00 - [33] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: Laheon wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: And in Dust we shoot each other with guns, in a planet, in a First Person View ... you do that in EvE to huh ? In a planet? I'm not sure anyone shoots anyone in a planet. But yes, capsuleers shoot each other with guns. Well... looks like i going to be in the Battle Academy for Longggggggg time...jut keep deleting alts, and making new ones. Hey, if you want to play COD 514, then feel free to do so. I just want to have FUN playing... and not just been target practice for other people... you Vets can kill each other as much as you like in the High level... i just enjoy myself in the Battle Academy ... have fun with PC.
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 530	Posted - 2013.05.17 00:02:00 - [34] - Quote Panther, trust me, as soon as you get to 5m, you'll be competitive. Each level costs exponentially more than the previous, and doesn't give that large an advantage. That small advantage can easily be overcome by player skill.. Honestly, just try it.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4227	Posted - 2013.05.17 00:07:00 - [35] - Quote As a player stuck in militia gear because of my attempt to be an omni-soldier (thus skills are all over the place litterally) I can easily say gear does not make the player. I can go positive kill ratio in a prototype heavy environment.
Malkai Inos The Vanguardians Orion Empire 67	Posted - 2013.05.17 00:10:00 - [36] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: Laheon wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: And in Dust we shoot each other with guns, in a planet, in a First Person View ... you do that in EvE to huh ? In a planet? I'm not sure anyone shoots anyone in a planet. But yes, capsuleers shoot each other with guns. Well... looks like i going to be in the Battle Academy for Longggggggg time...jut keep deleting alts, and making new ones. Hey, if you want to play COD 514, then feel free to do so. I just want to have FUN playing... and not just been target practice for other people... you Vets can kill each other as much as you like in the High level... i just enjoy myself in the Battle Academy ... have fun with PC. If you don't want to be a target just don't make yourself one. If they're shooting down the hallway, get in from behind, fire away and GTFO as soon as they notice. Leave a slightly cooked 'nade as a farewell present and finish off the odd idiot who just lost the better part of his shields pursuing you. Bam hundreds of thousands of isk down the drain by some presumably scrubby militia dude. You can always make reddots make fatal mistakes. Protobear or not.
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2013.05.17 00:14:00 - [37] - Quote My only issue with protos is that most of them go pub stomping in squads of 5-6 full proto gear all with nanite injector so they dont lose their precious dropsuit to a STD/Militia. With that being said I only have 1.6m SP, 5m sure does sound like a lot to me.


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