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Nightbird Aeon Ahrendee Mercenaries 163	Posted - 2013.05.16 15:42:00 - [1] - Quote I know this was raised above in a blog thread, but it bears repeating... LAVs are breaking the game! Too many people just bring them in and play merc-bowling with them... there is no cost associated with them, and they can kill a proto-suit just as easily as a militia suit. While this is probably the wrong fix, I'll bet you 100 shiny ISK that if you removed impact damage from LAVs, you'd see a 99.99% reduction in LAVs being called into the game. Also.... they reduced the number of Proximity Mines that can be deployed at one time (below Proto level mines, that is)... so the old tactic of laying down proxy mines to prevent drive-bys is just that much more difficult. Either way, this has to stop! /rant off
Abu Stij GoonFeet 124	Posted - 2013.05.16 15:58:00 - [2] - Quote Nightbird Aeon wrote: I know this was raised above in a blog thread, but it bears repeating... LAVs are breaking the game! Too many people just bring them in and play merc-bowling with them... there is no cost associated with them, and they can kill a proto-suit just as easily as a militia suit. While this is probably the wrong fix, I'll bet you 100 shiny ISK that if you removed impact damage from LAVs, you'd see a 99.99% reduction in LAVs being called into the game. Also.... they reduced the number of Proximity Mines that can be deployed at one time (below Proto level mines, that is)... so the old tactic of laying down proxy mines to prevent drive-bys is just that much more difficult. Either way, this has to stop! /rant off One way to curb this has been proposed - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=77652&find=unread This will happen in any FPS that allows vehicles such as an LAV, so there's not much you can do outside of just remove them to stop the "Merc Bowling" you mentioned. That won't happen.
DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 336	Posted - 2013.05.16 16:24:00 - [3] - Quote If you think LAVs are OP, you're nuts. One forge blast and they're gone. One AV nade and most of the time they're gone. If you hear an LAV behind you, turn around and dodge it. Being able to run over people is one of the most fun parts of the game. If you die by LAV, it's your fault. There are numerous ways to take them out. Swarm Launchers. Forge Guns. AV grenades. Proximity mines. Remote explosives.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4732	Posted - 2013.05.16 16:31:00 - [4] - Quote I think time is needed to stew on the problem because I myself as a weakass AV has no issues with the LAVs, they still die as any other pinanta to any serious AV user.
Abu Stij GoonFeet 124	Posted - 2013.05.16 16:33:00 - [5] - Quote With a starter Swarm Launcher you can destroy an LAV with at most two volleys.
G Torq ALTA B2O 147	Posted - 2013.05.16 17:21:00 - [6] - Quote OP (and others) simply crying because there is something their dear Assault Rifle cannot kill easily.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4732	Posted - 2013.05.16 17:51:00 - [7] - Quote As my mommah always said, "Look both ways before crossing the street."
Davy Headhunter ZionTCD Unclaimed. 11	Posted - 2013.05.16 18:33:00 - [8] - Quote point here is that a FREE LAV should neve be that effective, you can deploy in a free dropsuit, and get a free lav, and kill a proto suit worth about 300k isk, that is just stupid. If u get skills, buy, fit, and deploy a LAV, that is more than fair that u dont die instantly by a AV nade...
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4732	Posted - 2013.05.16 18:38:00 - [9] - Quote Davy Headhunter wrote: point here is that a FREE LAV should neve be that effective, you can deploy in a free dropsuit, and get a free lav, and kill a proto suit worth about 300k isk, that is just stupid. If u get skills, buy, fit, and deploy a LAV, that is more than fair that u dont die instantly by a AV nade... My 'free' militia fit kills protosuits and expensive vehicles of all varieties all the time.
J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 101	Posted - 2013.05.16 18:56:00 - [10] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Davy Headhunter wrote: point here is that a FREE LAV should neve be that effective, you can deploy in a free dropsuit, and get a free lav, and kill a proto suit worth about 300k isk, that is just stupid. If u get skills, buy, fit, and deploy a LAV, that is more than fair that u dont die instantly by a AV nade... My 'free' militia fit kills protosuits and expensive vehicles of all varieties all the time. Honestly there shouldn't be 'free' items to begin with.

Ld Collins Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 6	Posted - 2013.05.17 04:36:00 - [11] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Davy Headhunter wrote: point here is that a FREE LAV should neve be that effective, you can deploy in a free dropsuit, and get a free lav, and kill a proto suit worth about 300k isk, that is just stupid. If u get skills, buy, fit, and deploy a LAV, that is more than fair that u dont die instantly by a AV nade... My 'free' militia fit kills protosuits and expensive vehicles of all varieties all the time. Please dont let cry babies ruin this game I put 8 million sp in to my Lavs just as others may have put 8 million sp into their suits i lost one Lav today to an obital and proud of it. The lav was 400k isk if i happen to run over a proto suit he/she should die people think that lavs are cheap toys there needs to be a free lav i dont want to risk 400k everytime i try to cross the map.
CharCharOdell Shining Flame Amarr Empire 223	Posted - 2013.05.18 07:27:00 - [12] - Quote Ld Collins wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Davy Headhunter wrote: point here is that a FREE LAV should neve be that effective, you can deploy in a free dropsuit, and get a free lav, and kill a proto suit worth about 300k isk, that is just stupid. If u get skills, buy, fit, and deploy a LAV, that is more than fair that u dont die instantly by a AV nade... My 'free' militia fit kills protosuits and expensive vehicles of all varieties all the time. Please dont let cry babies ruin this game I put 8 million sp in to my Lavs just as others may have put 8 million sp into their suits i lost one Lav today to an obital and proud of it. The lav was 400k isk if i happen to run over a proto suit he/she should die people think that lavs are cheap toys there needs to be a free lav i dont want to risk 400k everytime i try to cross the map. Maybe just remove free ones instead of a nerf.
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 829	Posted - 2013.05.18 09:25:00 - [13] - Quote I'm going to suggest again that LAV's shouldn't be able to kill people by running them over. The most lethal part of the LAV should be the turret, not the bumper.
Yisuki CHACALES 8	Posted - 2013.05.18 12:25:00 - [14] - Quote The damage they cause should be relative to the speed of the impact. You should be killed by an LAV running full speed. I have survived LAVs impacts, but they need to tweak the damage better.
Arron Rift Commando Perkone Caldari State 141	Posted - 2013.05.18 16:49:00 - [15] - Quote Yisuki wrote: The damage they cause should be relative to the speed of the impact. You should be killed by an LAV running full speed. I have survived LAVs impacts, but they need to tweak the damage better. I agree with this, damage should be relative to speed, but as I said in this thread, jeeps should always at least scoot you around or even send you flying over them on impact. No matter how strong our armor is, our feet are not nailed to the ground either, and so even a slow moving jeep should at least be able to shove people around! Seriously, how many times do you see a jeep going 10 MPH be brought to a complete stop by a person in real life?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4732	Posted - 2013.05.18 17:02:00 - [16] - Quote Arron Rift wrote: Yisuki wrote: The damage they cause should be relative to the speed of the impact. You should be killed by an LAV running full speed. I have survived LAVs impacts, but they need to tweak the damage better. I agree with this, damage should be relative to speed, but as I said in this thread, jeeps should always at least scoot you around or even send you flying over them on impact. No matter how strong our armor is, our feet are not nailed to the ground either, and so even a slow moving jeep should at least be able to shove people around! Seriously, how many times do you see a jeep going 10 MPH be brought to a complete stop by a person in real life? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLRNYIT42ig
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3323	Posted - 2013.05.18 17:59:00 - [17] - Quote I think removing free LAVs would be a step in the right direction. Also being able to dive in one direction or another would help a lot, but that's going a bit further down the rabbit hole
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 26	Posted - 2013.05.18 19:07:00 - [18] - Quote With the new Veteran and Elite packs you get a nice non miltia LAV BPO so get used to it. If your afraid of LAV's bring AV grenades on your suit instead of Flux, or Locus.
Otavio Martins The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 33	Posted - 2013.05.18 20:14:00 - [19] - Quote Solutions: HAV, Forge Guns, AVnades, Swarm Launchers, etc...
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 537	Posted - 2013.05.18 23:46:00 - [20] - Quote Nightbird Aeon wrote: I know this was raised above in a blog thread, but it bears repeating... LAVs are breaking the game! Too many people just bring them in and play merc-bowling with them... there is no cost associated with them, and they can kill a proto-suit just as easily as a militia suit. While this is probably the wrong fix, I'll bet you 100 shiny ISK that if you removed impact damage from LAVs, you'd see a 99.99% reduction in LAVs being called into the game. Also.... they reduced the number of Proximity Mines that can be deployed at one time (below Proto level mines, that is)... so the old tactic of laying down proxy mines to prevent drive-bys is just that much more difficult. Either way, this has to stop! /rant off I beg your pardon, but I pay good money to spec my Methana to make it ready to run over protsuits. I get chased by swarms and forge guns and AV grenade toting scouts in every match, and every car I loose costs more than almost any protosuit out there. All it takes is 2 people with swarms keeping tabs on me and I'm either toast or I'm too cornered to drive safely. Also, in order to play "merc-bowling", I have to expose myself to large crowds of mercs, any of whom could have AV nades, swarms, assault forge guns or plasma launchers, and could drop me in a heartbeat if they actually tried. Quit complaining and use your militia anti-armor fit, the militia swarms are WAY more powerful than they used to be. They can 3-piece installations now. I know, I've done it.

Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 537	Posted - 2013.05.18 23:54:00 - [21] - Quote Davy Headhunter wrote: point here is that a FREE LAV should neve be that effective, you can deploy in a free dropsuit, and get a free lav, and kill a proto suit worth about 300k isk, that is just stupid. If u get skills, buy, fit, and deploy a LAV, that is more than fair that u dont die instantly by a AV nade... I can also hop in a free starter fit with a BPO militia hive (or better yet, stand next to a supply depot), and grenade spam a protosuit to death. Or I can put on my sniper starter fit and shoot proto suits with free sniper rifles. Or I can spend like 700ISK and fit up a heavy suit and forge snipe protosuits all day long. The cost of the item in question isn't relative to what it can kill, and it's not supposed to be. The skill of the player is what makes a role good or bad, not the gear itself. Dedicated AV players take out free LAV's all the time and they are no less vulnerable to being run over than you are. 200k forge gunners drop 2.1m ISK tanks all the time. If you're gonna run it, it's up to you to keep it safe, not the game designers. Situational awareness<-----learn it.
Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.05.24 11:25:00 - [22] - Quote Abu Stij wrote: One way to curb this has been proposed - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=77652&find=unread This will happen in any FPS that allows vehicles such as an LAV, so there's not much you can do outside of just remove them to stop the "Merc Bowling" you mentioned. That won't happen. Planetside 2 has Harassers which are pretty much 100% identical to Dust LAVs. Things is, they have very distinct engine noise and show up much more readily on the radar allowing you to detect them coming over a ridge or from behind. Additionally they have complex traction/torque characteristics which prevent them from spider-monkeying over terrain that should be impassable, thereby allowing infantry to scurry out of the way. You don't need to remove LAVs just make them a bit more detectable and a bit less able to climb/turn on a dime.
TrainWr3K SEPARATISMO 0	Posted - 2013.05.24 13:22:00 - [23] - Quote EVOLVE get an av grenade trust me makes me think twice and i love turning it into gta , only way in the last build to counter the viziams with damage mods in the desert, now I've seen people developing there swarm launchers.. dont be mad cause your proto isnt unstoppable as you run over less advanced player, sorry you dont enjoy a taste of your own medicine. i love that this game is all about how to counter, flux for shield tanks ect.. Evolve- a. To develop or achieve gradually: evolve a style of one's own. b. To work (something) out; devise: "the schemes he evolved to line his purse"
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 579	Posted - 2013.05.24 17:03:00 - [24] - Quote It's annoying to be run over but it's certainly not 'game breaking'. Keep an eye out on your surroundings when you cross open terrain. If the other team is spamming LAVs spam AV. It's simple enough.
Lavirac JR DUST University Ivy League 151	Posted - 2013.05.24 17:24:00 - [25] - Quote I don't use LAVs often, but I don't want this nerfed. Yes it is VERY annoying when I am run over in my Proto Suit, but I don't think it being annoying is a justification for a nerf. When you see LAVs coming, get to high ground. You are harder to run over on top of buildings or steep mountains...
Grimthroth Nova Breaker KiLo. 7	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:14:00 - [26] - Quote The way I look at this situation is that it is annoying yes! Don't get me wrong on that! But think of a real battlefield no amount of infantry armor is going to save you from the weight of the LAV and the speed its going. Just communicate with your squad carry AVs, and have someone to take out the LAVS, and they will stop spawning them if you keep blowing them up. Only thing I can see that might help is increasing the price of the LAV instead of everyone having infinite supply of LAVS.
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 28	Posted - 2013.05.25 07:35:00 - [27] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Situational awareness<-----learn it. I agree with most of what you said, though I would just like to point out that situational awareness is somewhat hindered due to the worthless radar. I've been run over, having done two full 360degrees, and saw no enemies or vehicles, checked my radar multiple times during the two spins, saw no red diamonds or dots, and slam goes the LAV. Situations like the one I've described happen way to often. Of course, I could skill even more into the radar-related skills to help alleviate the problem, but it seems to me that vehicles of any kind should have a bigger impact on the radar than they currently do.
Sophie DV Amplitude. Reverberation Project 11	Posted - 2013.05.25 16:11:00 - [28] - Quote As someone who really wants to argue both sides on this argument, i suggest that the currently free basic vehicle cost a small fee (10-25k isk) so that people MIGHT think twice about suiciding a bunch to run people over. I actually have fun running people over, and conversely, i have fun dodging people trying to run ME over and then shooting them out of their vehicle. There was someone who had a post about making a more vehicle-centric game type; i think in the long run something like that would attract most of the road-runners and cut down on the amount that happens in ambush/skirmish naturally.
padraic darby The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1	Posted - 2013.05.26 02:42:00 - [29] - Quote Talos Alomar wrote: I'm going to suggest again that LAV's shouldn't be able to kill people by running them over. The most lethal part of the LAV should be the turret, not the bumper. if you got hit by a car moving 60 mph it would kill you
Aeon Amadi Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1404	Posted - 2013.05.26 09:44:00 - [30] - Quote Just as I was starting to have faith in the CPM they turn around and make me dislike them again with their apparent apathy toward a really stupid situation. MLT LAV with just a driver as a valid combat tactic? I call BS.



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