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ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.16 08:30:00 -
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As a heavy, im quite happy where i am. On a normal day i pull out my advanced suit, pile on some decent mods and happily career around a battlefield murdering whatever i can get into range.
However, i hit that point where what to train next comes to mind...
Browsing my options i have a look at the sentinel and well... a x10 skill to get a 10% reload speed bonus doesnGÇÖt appeal... at all.
I put forward that there there is no real incentive to train for the sentinel class, the suits offer no advantage other than the reload speed over the basic suits. (Ignoring Aurum suits n the like).
Is there some super Amarr heavy laser weapon of doom coming that i should know about? |
DeadlyAztec11
One-Armed Bandits Heretic Initiative
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Posted - 2013.05.16 08:35:00 -
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Ok. |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
462
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Posted - 2013.05.16 08:37:00 -
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Your input is appreciated
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2013.05.16 08:43:00 -
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Amarr will definitely be getting a Heavy weapon of some kind.
It will probably be a Super Death Laser of Doom and Destruction.
For now, you get reload speed on Heavy Weapons or reduced overheat damage on the couple of non-Heavy weapons that have overheat damage. |
trollsroyce
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
416
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Posted - 2013.05.16 08:45:00 -
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^ good guess
Op is right in that 2/3 slot layout is immensely superior to 1/4, makingframe suit much better than sentinel. |
DropKickSuicide
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
114
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Posted - 2013.05.16 08:49:00 -
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Unless you just like Amarr or are waiting for a Heavy Weapon I see no reason to spec sentinel.
I dont really see the need for a Proto Heavy either besides PG/CPU.
I stick to my ADV untill Caldari Heavy shows up |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.16 08:49:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Amarr will definitely be getting a Heavy weapon of some kind.
It will probably be a Super Death Laser of Doom and Destruction.
For now, you get reload speed on Heavy Weapons or reduced overheat damage on the couple of non-Heavy weapons that have overheat damage.
Unfortunately if thats the case then it will never be trained.
The basic and advanced sentinal offer nothing new, and getting their skill past 2 or 3 for just those suits is an incredible sp sink, for very little gain.
Effectively there is an entire class of suits that will only be used by crazy die hards.
trollsroyce wrote:^ good guess
Op is right in that 2/3 slot layout is immensely superior to 1/4, makingframe suit much better than sentinel.
2/2 compared to 1/3 ... dont know where you got those extra slots. And the proto standard has the 1/3 layout if needed |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
956
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Posted - 2013.05.16 08:55:00 -
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trollsroyce wrote:^ good guess
Op is right in that 2/3 slot layout is immensely superior to 1/4, makingframe suit much better than sentinel. Once we get plates that don't have movement penalties for less armor, plates that have built in reppers for even lesser armor and resistance modules, you might change that train of though. |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.16 08:56:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:trollsroyce wrote:^ good guess
Op is right in that 2/3 slot layout is immensely superior to 1/4, makingframe suit much better than sentinel. Once we get plates that don't have movement penalties for less armor, plates that have built in reppers for even lesser armor and resistance modules, you might change that train of though.
Link or quote, cos ive heard nothing on those |
Chibi Andy
Forsaken Immortals Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.05.16 09:07:00 -
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yeah right now the sentinel suit is not useful unless someone is running LR with the sentinel suit to get the weapon feedback dmg reduction bonus but then lose out on the heavy weapon reload speed.
at the moment its best to just not spec into that suit and stick with the basic heavy suit. |
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Boomer Dues Mortis
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
101
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Posted - 2013.05.16 09:12:00 -
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I am currently using a std sentinel heavy suit, the thing is 3x cheaper than the base frame X that by a year and that is a lot of isk saved. My entire fit I am using atm for pub matches costs 11k isk. I also figure some time down the road we are going to get a laser hmg ( hopes it is like the one from fall out 3 ) if so I would assume it can overheat and actually damage you, vs the one we have now that no one overheats and if you are bad and do overheat it, it does no damage to you. |
Chibi Andy
Forsaken Immortals Gentlemen's Agreement
216
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Posted - 2013.05.16 09:20:00 -
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Boomer Dues Mortis wrote: I also figure some time down the road we are going to get a laser hmg
yeah, so its better to wait for that specific weapon to come out before speccing into the sentinel suit, though it would be nice to see a laser hmg |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.16 09:50:00 -
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Boomer Dues Mortis wrote:I am currently using a std sentinel heavy suit, the thing is 3x cheaper than the base frame X that by a year and that is a lot of isk saved. My entire fit I am using atm for pub matches costs 11k isk. I also figure some time down the road we are going to get a laser hmg ( hopes it is like the one from fall out 3 ) if so I would assume it can overheat and actually damage you, vs the one we have now that no one overheats and if you are bad and do overheat it, it does no damage to you.
Huh they are cheeper... weird... still dont think its worth the skill point investment (wouldnt use a standard... couldnt fit complex dmg mods lol)
Chibi Andy wrote:Boomer Dues Mortis wrote: I also figure some time down the road we are going to get a laser hmg yeah, so its better to wait for that specific weapon to come out before speccing into the sentinel suit, though it would be nice to see a laser hmg
Doubt it would be another mini gun style, or just a bigger laser... pulse cannon? |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
436
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Posted - 2013.05.16 10:15:00 -
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Proto sentinel is better for point defense, ADV sentinel is better for random pub matches due to lack of cost and room for speed mods.
Basic frame is better for "herp derp i've got two damage mods". |
N1ck Comeau
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
366
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Posted - 2013.05.16 10:18:00 -
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Any advantage is a good advantage, i'd rather have that 10% reload speed bonus then to not have it. |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.16 10:19:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Proto sentinel is better for point defense during actual important fights, ADV sentinel is better for random pub matches due to lack of cost and room for speed mods.
Basic frame is better for "herp derp i've got two damage mods".
the basic suits can do the same tho... and all those skill points... not worth a x10
N1ck Comeau wrote:Any advantage is a good advantage, i'd rather have that 10% reload speed bonus then to not have it.
unless you have maxed your other support skills... HMG prof for example |
trollsroyce
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
416
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Posted - 2013.05.16 10:37:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Proto sentinel is better for point defense during actual important fights, ADV sentinel is better for random pub matches due to lack of cost and room for speed mods.
Basic frame is better for "herp derp i've got two damage mods".
Herp derp two damage mods is better in point defense than proto sentinel, though :) |
Another Heavy SOB
TRUE TEA BAGGERS Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.16 10:39:00 -
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trollsroyce wrote:^ good guess
Op is right in that 2/3 slot layout is immensely superior to 1/4, makingframe suit much better than sentinel.
2/2 compared to 1/3 ... dont know where you got those extra slots. And the proto standard has the 1/3 layout if needed[/quote]
I don't know what suit's you've been looking at on the marketplace but Ammar Heavy Frame ak.0 is most definitely 2 high, 3 low. The Sentinel ak.0 is with 100% certainty 1 high, 4 low. |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.16 10:45:00 -
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Another Heavy SOB wrote:ChromeBreaker wrote:trollsroyce wrote:^ good guess
Op is right in that 2/3 slot layout is immensely superior to 1/4, makingframe suit much better than sentinel. 2/2 compared to 1/3 ... dont know where you got those extra slots. And the proto standard has the 1/3 layout if needed I don't know what suit's you've been looking at on the marketplace but Ammar Heavy Frame ak.0 is most definitely 2 high, 3 low. The Sentinel ak.0 is with 100% certainty 1 high, 4 low.
kittens... getting mixed up between my advances and proto's |
SERPENT-Adamapple
NEW AGE EMPIRE
32
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:10:00 -
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Isn't Amarr getting a plasma flamethrower? It's in prototype stage right not at viziam in eve lore. |
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers EoN.
293
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:22:00 -
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N1ck Comeau wrote:Any advantage is a good advantage, i'd rather have that 10% reload speed bonus then to not have it.
3.1m SP for 10% reload decrease (.8s) 1.8m SP for 15% reload decrease (reload skill @ 6x) (1.2s)
sure 10% is nice, but better things I can use my SP on atm.
the sentinel suit has great potential, but not worth it until more stuff available |
Oxskull Duncarino
Shadow Company HQ
189
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:28:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Proto sentinel is better for point defense during actual important fights, ADV sentinel is better for random pub matches due to lack of cost and room for speed mods.
Basic frame is better for "herp derp i've got two damage mods". the basic suits can do the same tho... and all those skill points... not worth a x10 N1ck Comeau wrote:Any advantage is a good advantage, i'd rather have that 10% reload speed bonus then to not have it. unless you have maxed your other support skills... HMG prof for example Basic Sentinel is good to have as base for a very cheap pub suit. Any of the rest of the SP you might think of putting into Sentinel you should just put into HMG rapid reload skill. It's cheaper, you get more bonus per level, and all heavy suits benefit from the skill, not just Sentinels.
The Sentinel slot layout is for an armour tanked heavy, which the Amarr is not. I'd be happy with that slot layout for a suit similar to the old type-I/Series-A. Hopefully the Gallante heavy when it comes will be along those lines. And then, yes that slot layout and suit will be great for point defence. Later if we get an Amarr heavy weapon that suits the Sentinel skill then go for it. Now, it's not worth it until everything else is sorted out. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1601
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:29:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:Any advantage is a good advantage, i'd rather have that 10% reload speed bonus then to not have it. 3.1m SP for 10% reload decrease (.8s) 1.8m SP for 15% reload decrease (reload skill @ 6x) (1.2s) sure 10% is nice, but better things I can use my SP on atm. the sentinel suit has great potential, but not worth it until more stuff available
3 mil SP for some lame bonuses and meh slots...yeeeeaaa
I'll just wait for another heavy variant. Basic Proto suit is good enough atm...hell, I use Adv for pubs and it does the job.
Sentinel suit might be better suited with a different weapon, cuz I don't see the advantage of using an HMG and having less feedback dmg and 10% faster reload |
Operative 1171 Aajli
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
9
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:44:00 -
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Any lvl 5 stuff is for either moving up to a higher skill tier if and when implemented or to epeen.
If you like epeening then by all means look good dying while doing it. |
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers EoN.
293
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:46:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:Any advantage is a good advantage, i'd rather have that 10% reload speed bonus then to not have it. 3.1m SP for 10% reload decrease (.8s) 1.8m SP for 15% reload decrease (reload skill @ 6x) (1.2s) sure 10% is nice, but better things I can use my SP on atm. the sentinel suit has great potential, but not worth it until more stuff available 3 mil SP for some lame bonuses and meh slots...yeeeeaaa I'll just wait for another heavy variant. Basic Proto suit is good enough atm...hell, I use Adv for pubs and it does the job. Sentinel suit might be better suited with a different weapon, cuz I don't see the advantage of using an HMG and having less feedback dmg and 10% faster reload
yea I run adv 98% of the time.. really only use proto for my forge fits due to space. damn ishukone and its what 102 CPU?
worth every penny tho ;-) |
iLLMaTiC619
KiLo.
63
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Posted - 2013.05.16 15:03:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:As a heavy, im quite happy where i am. On a normal day i pull out my advanced suit, pile on some decent mods and happily career around a battlefield murdering whatever i can get into range.
However, i hit that point where what to train next comes to mind...
Browsing my options i have a look at the sentinel and well... a x10 skill to get a 10% reload speed bonus doesnGÇÖt appeal... at all.
I put forward that there there is no real incentive to train for the sentinel class, the suits offer no advantage other than the reload speed over the basic suits. (Ignoring Aurum suits n the like).
Someone think differently?
Is there some super Amarr heavy laser weapon of doom coming that i should know about?
I have a lvl 3 Sentinel suit and it is ok but I rather use my AK.0 basic roto over it... they are unking the heavy in every possible way.. no range no nothing.. it is by far the weakest class on Dust compaired to the last build |
Tiberion Deci
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
178
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Posted - 2013.05.16 15:16:00 -
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As another fatty I see no point to training into sentinel suits right now. I think the gallente suit is going to be awesome and would love to see all the heavy weapons before I skill past a proto racial frame (though I really would have liked to see them before the respec).besides the proto frame suit is pretty good, and lets be honest: one high slot on the proto sentinel is a freakin joke. |
iLLMaTiC619
KiLo.
63
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Posted - 2013.05.16 15:16:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:Any advantage is a good advantage, i'd rather have that 10% reload speed bonus then to not have it. 3.1m SP for 10% reload decrease (.8s) 1.8m SP for 15% reload decrease (reload skill @ 6x) (1.2s) sure 10% is nice, but better things I can use my SP on atm. the sentinel suit has great potential, but not worth it until more stuff available 3 mil SP for some lame bonuses and meh slots...yeeeeaaa I'll just wait for another heavy variant. Basic Proto suit is good enough atm...hell, I use Adv for pubs and it does the job. Sentinel suit might be better suited with a different weapon, cuz I don't see the advantage of using an HMG and having less feedback dmg and 10% faster reload yea I run adv 98% of the time.. really only use proto for my forge fits due to space. damn ishukone and its what 102 CPU? worth every penny tho ;-)
Cubs has that groupie armor .. he has 20 guys running with him at all times.. they will take the bullet for him on the battlefield |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1607
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Posted - 2013.05.16 15:21:00 -
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Tiberion Deci wrote:As another fatty I see no point to training into sentinel suits right now. I think the gallente suit is going to be awesome and would love to see all the heavy weapons before I skill past a proto racial frame (though I really would have liked to see them before the respec).besides the proto frame suit is pretty good, and lets be honest: one high slot on the proto sentinel is a freakin joke.
1 highslot on anything but a militia / std suit is a joke. Much less a proto specialized suit |
martinofski
Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire
100
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Posted - 2013.05.16 15:39:00 -
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I also run the basic Adv suit. between 1 and 2 high, the choice isn't that hard for me. No point to skill sentinel for the reload speed, 3.1M sp is way to much. 1H4L on the proto sentinel, with the same base HP? No thanks.
Even putting many cans to run faster, it won't beat a Minmatar base speed, once we will get that. 5% increase over not much is still not much.
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