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konas gut wrote:

Jaron Pollard wrote:

konas gut wrote:

Jaron Pollard wrote:

I cannot believe that even in a free-to-play game where buying stuff with real money at all is entirely optional, someone is still whining about the price. As an Australian, I am ashamed for the immaturity on display here, and refuse to boycott DUST 514. Since, you know, it's free.

I want to spend money on the game I play and love. I also don't want to pay double.

How is this immature?

Tell you what, even though Sony charges Australians more for this stuff, so does everybody else, and in comparison to what Apple, Xbox, or others might charge for example, it's still all cheap as hell. You could smoke a pack a day, drink a carton a of Crownies a fortnight, still eat well and afford to make regular DUST purchases on a Centrelink student income, and that's after paying for all your text books for uni, as well as rent, and includes maintaining permanent Xbox Live and EVE online subs. How do I know? Because that's what I do. DUST is the cheapest of them all, and it's not just the cheapest, it is legitimately cheap. Cheap like Crazy Clarks cheap.

The problem isn't with CCP, it's with the IT industry in general, as a whole. Boycotting DUST alone won't solve the problem. Hell, there's a parliamentary inquest currently underway that includes a summons of Microsoft, IBM, Apple, and various other IT corps over why they charge Australians so much more than anyone else. The evidence that's in so far is that they charge that much because we're willing to pay that much. So if you want to boycott, you need to boycott everything IT until they realise we won't pay that much again.

Unless you get your head around the fact that merely boycotting DUST will solve nothing, then it is quite immature.

Yes you are right, boycott never achieved anything and CCP has no control over their product.

http://themittani.com/features/incarna-revisited

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/07/04/eve-online-emergency-incarna-meeting-ccp-vs-the-csm/

http://evenews24.com/2011/06/22/greed-is-good-purportedly-leaked-internal-bulletin-shows-ccps-refreshing-new-direction/

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konas gut Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.05.15 23:28:00 - [1] - Quote As CCP is complicit in this overprice scandal All AUS and NZ players plus any other supports should hold a 1 week boycott and not log in. Anyone else support this DUST 514 class action for equality? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=77419&p=3 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=77345&p=2
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 495	Posted - 2013.05.15 23:38:00 - [2] - Quote Um, not really. CCP doesn't set the prices on PSN, Sony does. CCP can't dictate the price that Sony put up, but you CAN ask that CCP talk to Sony about it. Or go straight to Sony about the price discrepancy.
konas gut Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.05.15 23:41:00 - [3] - Quote Laheon wrote: Um, not really. CCP doesn't set the prices on PSN, Sony does. CCP can't dictate the price that Sony put up, but you CAN ask that CCP talk to Sony about it. Or go straight to Sony about the price discrepancy. So CCP want to sell a new item or pack on the store, they give it to Sony to set the price. I doubt it very much. How would Sony know the in game value? What if Sony decided it was a rubbish gun/pack and set it to 50 cents would CCP agree? Total and utter FUD
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 284	Posted - 2013.05.15 23:43:00 - [4] - Quote konas gut wrote: As CCP is complicit in this overprice scandal All AUS and NZ players plus any other supports should hold a 1 week boycott and not log in. Anyone else support this DUST 514 class action for equality? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=77419&p=3 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=77345&p=2 Im an NZ gamer and I am a litte miffed about the prices but the only things I buy are the boosters if I feel like it. No need for me to buy the merc packs when the dont even give me what I want.
konas gut Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.05.15 23:46:00 - [5] - Quote Harkon Vysarii wrote: konas gut wrote: As CCP is complicit in this overprice scandal All AUS and NZ players plus any other supports should hold a 1 week boycott and not log in. Anyone else support this DUST 514 class action for equality? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=77419&p=3 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=77345&p=2 Im an NZ gamer and I am a litte miffed about the prices but the only things I buy are the boosters if I feel like it. No need for me to buy the merc packs when the dont even give me what I want. Everything is overpriced! The Packs and the AUR Actually if you buy the Merc pack you get 40,000 Aur plus a free 30 day booster. If you buy 40,000 Aur it is the same price but without the free booster. DOH
Skyhound Solbrave Rough Riders.. 74	Posted - 2013.05.15 23:47:00 - [6] - Quote Do you have a law degree? The boosters and what not are being sold through the playstation store, CCP does not control that only Sony does. You have no idea what goes into proving decisions, over sea merchant laws, or any other field that could legitimize this. Boycotting Dust woyld be the worst move since you would be punishing the wrong people. If anything, boycott the PSN.
ReGnUM MiNdReaDeR DEI Bragian Order Amarr Empire 68	Posted - 2013.05.15 23:48:00 - [7] - Quote Lmfao newberries going on strike news flash idiots you dont have to buy the stuff but go head boycott
Jaron Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 12	Posted - 2013.05.15 23:49:00 - [8] - Quote I cannot believe that even in a free-to-play game where buying stuff with real money at all is entirely optional, someone is still whining about the price. As an Australian, I am ashamed for the immaturity on display here, and refuse to boycott DUST 514. Since, you know, it's free.
ReGnUM MiNdReaDeR DEI Bragian Order Amarr Empire 68	Posted - 2013.05.15 23:50:00 - [9] - Quote Your efforts will fail miserably
konas gut Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.05.15 23:51:00 - [10] - Quote Skyhound Solbrave wrote: Do you have a law degree? The boosters and what not are being sold through the playstation store, CCP does not control that only Sony does. You have no idea what goes into proving decisions, over sea merchant laws, or any other field that could legitimize this. Boycotting Dust woyld be the worst move since you would be punishing the wrong people. If anything, boycott the PSN. Why would i need a law degree to stand up for equal rights? CCP and Sony have to agree on prices this is a logical assumption, CCP please dispute this. I love playing dust but remember the incarna debacle, This was only resolved by a boycott. CCP only listen when you hit them where it hurts. CCP please act now

Cinnamon267 The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 55	Posted - 2013.05.15 23:52:00 - [11] - Quote konas gut wrote: Laheon wrote: Um, not really. CCP doesn't set the prices on PSN, Sony does. CCP can't dictate the price that Sony put up, but you CAN ask that CCP talk to Sony about it. Or go straight to Sony about the price discrepancy. So CCP want to sell a new item or pack on the store, they give it to Sony to set the price. I doubt it very much. How would Sony know the in game value? What if Sony decided it was a rubbish gun/pack and set it to 50 cents would CCP agree? Total and utter FUD It's how It works. MS works the same way, I believe. They have "guidelines" as to what types of things cost on the store. Don't play "what if". It's always grossly hyperbolised to the point of it being so unrealistic and annoying/
konas gut Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.05.15 23:54:00 - [12] - Quote Jaron Pollard wrote: I cannot believe that even in a free-to-play game where buying stuff with real money at all is entirely optional, someone is still whining about the price. As an Australian, I am ashamed for the immaturity on display here, and refuse to boycott DUST 514. Since, you know, it's free. I want to spend money on the game I play and love. I also don't want to pay double. How is this immature?
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 497	Posted - 2013.05.15 23:54:00 - [13] - Quote konas gut wrote: So CCP want to sell a new item or pack on the store, they give it to Sony to set the price. I doubt it very much. How would Sony know the in game value? What if Sony decided it was a rubbish gun/pack and set it to 50 cents would CCP agree? Total and utter FUD They can give Sony a quoted price range for each product, or leave it up to Sony's marketing and sales departments to price it themselves. Either way, CCP doesn't have the infrastructure nor knowledge to set region-specific prices, in accordance to local tax and sales laws. Sony does.
Jaron Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 12	Posted - 2013.05.15 23:55:00 - [14] - Quote konas gut wrote: Skyhound Solbrave wrote: Do you have a law degree? The boosters and what not are being sold through the playstation store, CCP does not control that only Sony does. You have no idea what goes into proving decisions, over sea merchant laws, or any other field that could legitimize this. Boycotting Dust woyld be the worst move since you would be punishing the wrong people. If anything, boycott the PSN. Why would i need a law degree to stand up for equal rights? CCP and Sony have to agree on prices this is a logical assumption, CCP please dispute this. I love playing dust but remember the incarna debacle, This was only resolved by a boycott. CCP only listen when you hit them where it hurts. CCP please act now They have disputed this. They set a minimum, Sony applies it and adds their own tab because it's through their store. For comparison, go play EVE, where CCP are in entirely in control of the price of subs and PLEX and everyone pays the same price, even Australians.
Mithridates VI IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 1449	Posted - 2013.05.15 23:55:00 - [15] - Quote konas gut wrote: As CCP is complicit in this overprice scandal All AUS and NZ players plus any other supports should hold a 1 week boycott and not log in. Anyone else support this DUST 514 class action for equality? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=77419&p=3 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=77345&p=2 You're bad and you should feel bad. Your parents should feel bad. Your neighbours should feel bad by association. One day they'll put you on the television to discuss your phenomenal badness and global audiences will feel bad. People in service industries who at some point in their lives interacted with you will say "I sold that guy a cheeseburger, God I feel bad now." or "Dude just wanted a taxi. How was I to know how bad he was? If I'd know, I'd have kept driving." The medical professional involved in your birth will feel bad and the children they deliver in the future will be forever tainted by your name. Your traversal down a street will leave a wake of badness, wilting flowers and causing children to cry. And when you die, they'll bury you and the staff responsible for grounds-keeping at the cemetery will find their lives inexplicably taking a turn for the worse, so the legacy of your badness is undying.
ReGnUM MiNdReaDeR DEI Bragian Order Amarr Empire 68	Posted - 2013.05.15 23:56:00 - [16] - Quote konas gut wrote: Skyhound Solbrave wrote: Do you have a law degree? The boosters and what not are being sold through the playstation store, CCP does not control that only Sony does. You have no idea what goes into proving decisions, over sea merchant laws, or any other field that could legitimize this. Boycotting Dust woyld be the worst move since you would be punishing the wrong people. If anything, boycott the PSN. Why would i need a law degree to stand up for equal rights? CCP and Sony have to agree on prices this is a logical assumption, CCP please dispute this. I love playing dust but remember the incarna debacle, This was only resolved by a boycott. CCP only listen when you hit them where it hurts. CCP please act now you are begging them to act now but yet you tried to get people to boycott the game? And you honestly think if ccp doesnt get a few players logging in it will hit them where it hurts? Man you are so dumb
konas gut Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.05.15 23:57:00 - [17] - Quote Cinnamon267 wrote: konas gut wrote: Laheon wrote: Um, not really. CCP doesn't set the prices on PSN, Sony does. CCP can't dictate the price that Sony put up, but you CAN ask that CCP talk to Sony about it. Or go straight to Sony about the price discrepancy. So CCP want to sell a new item or pack on the store, they give it to Sony to set the price. I doubt it very much. How would Sony know the in game value? What if Sony decided it was a rubbish gun/pack and set it to 50 cents would CCP agree? Total and utter FUD It's how It works. MS works the same way, I believe. They have "guidelines" as to what types of things cost on the store. Don't play "what if". It's always grossly hyperbolised to the point of it being so unrealistic and annoying/ So they have guidelines, CCP can guide them to not over charge us. problem solved.
Skyhound Solbrave Rough Riders.. 74	Posted - 2013.05.15 23:57:00 - [18] - Quote Deleted
konas gut Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.05.15 23:59:00 - [19] - Quote ReGnUM MiNdReaDeR DEI wrote: konas gut wrote: Skyhound Solbrave wrote: Do you have a law degree? The boosters and what not are being sold through the playstation store, CCP does not control that only Sony does. You have no idea what goes into proving decisions, over sea merchant laws, or any other field that could legitimize this. Boycotting Dust woyld be the worst move since you would be punishing the wrong people. If anything, boycott the PSN. Why would i need a law degree to stand up for equal rights? CCP and Sony have to agree on prices this is a logical assumption, CCP please dispute this. I love playing dust but remember the incarna debacle, This was only resolved by a boycott. CCP only listen when you hit them where it hurts. CCP please act now you are begging them to act now but yet you tried to get people to boycott the game? And you honestly think if ccp doesnt get a few players logging in it will hit them where it hurts? Man you are so dumb If player count goes down of course they will care. Why do you think they track the stats (hint because they care)
ReGnUM MiNdReaDeR DEI Bragian Order Amarr Empire 75	Posted - 2013.05.16 00:02:00 - [20] - Quote konas gut wrote: ReGnUM MiNdReaDeR DEI wrote: konas gut wrote: Skyhound Solbrave wrote: Do you have a law degree? The boosters and what not are being sold through the playstation store, CCP does not control that only Sony does. You have no idea what goes into proving decisions, over sea merchant laws, or any other field that could legitimize this. Boycotting Dust woyld be the worst move since you would be punishing the wrong people. If anything, boycott the PSN. Why would i need a law degree to stand up for equal rights? CCP and Sony have to agree on prices this is a logical assumption, CCP please dispute this. I love playing dust but remember the incarna debacle, This was only resolved by a boycott. CCP only listen when you hit them where it hurts. CCP please act now you are begging them to act now but yet you tried to get people to boycott the game? And you honestly think if ccp doesnt get a few players logging in it will hit them where it hurts? Man you are so dumb If player count goes down of course they will care. Why do you think they track the stats (hint because they care) Its obvious you havent been here long. And lol there are only a few of you boycotters out of thousands you really think they would care?

Jaron Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 16	Posted - 2013.05.16 00:02:00 - [21] - Quote konas gut wrote: Jaron Pollard wrote: I cannot believe that even in a free-to-play game where buying stuff with real money at all is entirely optional, someone is still whining about the price. As an Australian, I am ashamed for the immaturity on display here, and refuse to boycott DUST 514. Since, you know, it's free. I want to spend money on the game I play and love. I also don't want to pay double. How is this immature? Tell you what, even though Sony charges Australians more for this stuff, so does everybody else, and in comparison to what Apple, Xbox, or others might charge for example, it's still all cheap as hell. You could smoke a pack a day, drink a carton a of Crownies a fortnight, still eat well and afford to make regular DUST purchases on a Centrelink student income, and that's after paying for all your text books for uni, as well as rent, and includes maintaining permanent Xbox Live and EVE online subs. How do I know? Because that's what I do. DUST is the cheapest of them all, and it's not just the cheapest, it is legitimately cheap. Cheap like Crazy Clarks cheap. The problem isn't with CCP, it's with the IT industry in general, as a whole. Boycotting DUST alone won't solve the problem. Hell, there's a parliamentary inquest currently underway that includes a summons of Microsoft, IBM, Apple, and various other IT corps over why they charge Australians so much more than anyone else. The evidence that's in so far is that they charge that much because we're willing to pay that much. So if you want to boycott, you need to boycott everything IT until they realise we won't pay that much again. Unless you get your head around the fact that merely boycotting DUST will solve nothing, then it is quite immature.
Icy Xenosmilus Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 259	Posted - 2013.05.16 00:09:00 - [22] - Quote Yeah, as Jaron Pollard said, the whole industry in AUS/NZ is messed up in terms of pricing, but you guys get higher wages anyways. Yes it sucks, but this is on Sony's end mostly, all CCP can do is request, and even then, nothing is certain.
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 500	Posted - 2013.05.16 00:09:00 - [23] - Quote The price discrepancy IS with Sony. Australia in general is expensive in comparison to everywhere else in the world. Most people can't afford a simple holiday there, which is why people take working holidays. As stated, CCP charge users all over the world the same amount: $19.99. Or roughly that, anyway. The only change in product management here is the product has to go through Sony before reaching the consumer. Sony feels free to add any other surcharge they wish on top of the price, due to any costs incurred by Sony by having servers in that specific region. Whether these costs are so high, are, of course, a matter for debate. But, basically, CCP isn't to blame in this case.
Otrera Goddess DUST University Ivy League 6	Posted - 2013.05.16 00:10:00 - [24] - Quote Jaron Pollard wrote: I cannot believe that even in a free-to-play game where buying stuff with real money at all is entirely optional, someone is still whining about the price. As an Australian, I am ashamed for the immaturity on display here, and refuse to boycott DUST 514. Since, you know, it's free. Yes the game is free and I appreciate that very much and yes buying stuff is optional but as those who play online multiplayer pvp games know it is all of those extras that are paid for that can make a difference. They are an advantage and to provide somebody a greater advantage by making items cheaper to them in a digital context is just plain wrong and unfair. There are not people working in a factory making these items one at a time, once the digital item has been made it can then be created or copied and infinite amount of time digitally at no cost.
konas gut Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.05.16 00:13:00 - [25] - Quote Jaron Pollard wrote: konas gut wrote: Jaron Pollard wrote: I cannot believe that even in a free-to-play game where buying stuff with real money at all is entirely optional, someone is still whining about the price. As an Australian, I am ashamed for the immaturity on display here, and refuse to boycott DUST 514. Since, you know, it's free. I want to spend money on the game I play and love. I also don't want to pay double. How is this immature? Tell you what, even though Sony charges Australians more for this stuff, so does everybody else, and in comparison to what Apple, Xbox, or others might charge for example, it's still all cheap as hell. You could smoke a pack a day, drink a carton a of Crownies a fortnight, still eat well and afford to make regular DUST purchases on a Centrelink student income, and that's after paying for all your text books for uni, as well as rent, and includes maintaining permanent Xbox Live and EVE online subs. How do I know? Because that's what I do. DUST is the cheapest of them all, and it's not just the cheapest, it is legitimately cheap. Cheap like Crazy Clarks cheap. The problem isn't with CCP, it's with the IT industry in general, as a whole. Boycotting DUST alone won't solve the problem. Hell, there's a parliamentary inquest currently underway that includes a summons of Microsoft, IBM, Apple, and various other IT corps over why they charge Australians so much more than anyone else. The evidence that's in so far is that they charge that much because we're willing to pay that much. So if you want to boycott, you need to boycott everything IT until they realise we won't pay that much again. Unless you get your head around the fact that merely boycotting DUST will solve nothing, then it is quite immature. Yes you are right, boycott never achieved anything and CCP has no control over their product. http://themittani.com/features/incarna-revisited http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/07/04/eve-online-emergency-incarna-meeting-ccp-vs-the-csm/ http://evenews24.com/2011/06/22/greed-is-good-purportedly-leaked-internal-bulletin-shows-ccps-refreshing-new-direction/ Try reading history then comment
Badwolf Jones The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 21	Posted - 2013.05.16 00:14:00 - [26] - Quote konas gut wrote: As CCP is complicit in this overprice scandal All AUS and NZ players plus any other supports should hold a 1 week boycott and not log in. Cut off your nose to spite your face. Although I agree that the prices are unbalanced compared with the rest of the world, I don't think a 'boycott' of the game itself will make any difference to the cost of merc packs. A far better approach would be to 'boycott' buying the products themselves and let everyone know about it. This forum is a good source of information on the game but not everyone who plays comes here. By boycotting the game you're affectively stopping yourself from passing that info on to others in game. Therefore, if more AUS/NZ players are aware of the situation the less lightly they will be to buy the products.
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 500	Posted - 2013.05.16 00:14:00 - [27] - Quote Otrera Goddess wrote: Yes the game is free and I appreciate that very much and yes buying stuff is optional but as those who play online multiplayer pvp games know it is all of those extras that are paid for that can make a difference. They are an advantage and to provide somebody a greater advantage by making items cheaper to them in a digital context is just plain wrong and unfair. There are not people working in a factory making these items one at a time, once the digital item has been made it can then be created or copied and infinite amount of time digitally at no cost. Wrong. There are costs with running the servers, both at CCP's end and Sony's end, there are wages to pay for IT staff and maintenance of the servers, there's the cost of keeping the ISP to provide you the ability to download/purchase those services, etc. As for gaining an advantage, Aurum allows you to "do more faster". It isn't intended as a P2W mechanic, but instead as a "get there faster" mechanic. All aurum gear provides no benefits over other gear apart from lower requirements.
Jaron Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 16	Posted - 2013.05.16 00:19:00 - [28] - Quote konas gut wrote: Jaron Pollard wrote: konas gut wrote: Jaron Pollard wrote: I cannot believe that even in a free-to-play game where buying stuff with real money at all is entirely optional, someone is still whining about the price. As an Australian, I am ashamed for the immaturity on display here, and refuse to boycott DUST 514. Since, you know, it's free. I want to spend money on the game I play and love. I also don't want to pay double. How is this immature? Tell you what, even though Sony charges Australians more for this stuff, so does everybody else, and in comparison to what Apple, Xbox, or others might charge for example, it's still all cheap as hell. You could smoke a pack a day, drink a carton a of Crownies a fortnight, still eat well and afford to make regular DUST purchases on a Centrelink student income, and that's after paying for all your text books for uni, as well as rent, and includes maintaining permanent Xbox Live and EVE online subs. How do I know? Because that's what I do. DUST is the cheapest of them all, and it's not just the cheapest, it is legitimately cheap. Cheap like Crazy Clarks cheap. The problem isn't with CCP, it's with the IT industry in general, as a whole. Boycotting DUST alone won't solve the problem. Hell, there's a parliamentary inquest currently underway that includes a summons of Microsoft, IBM, Apple, and various other IT corps over why they charge Australians so much more than anyone else. The evidence that's in so far is that they charge that much because we're willing to pay that much. So if you want to boycott, you need to boycott everything IT until they realise we won't pay that much again. Unless you get your head around the fact that merely boycotting DUST will solve nothing, then it is quite immature. Yes you are right, boycott never achieved anything and CCP has no control over their product. http://themittani.com/features/incarna-revisited http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/07/04/eve-online-emergency-incarna-meeting-ccp-vs-the-csm/ http://evenews24.com/2011/06/22/greed-is-good-purportedly-leaked-internal-bulletin-shows-ccps-refreshing-new-direction/ Try reading history then comment What, you think I don't know anything about incarna? I was there, son, and this is far from incarna. This is NOTHING compared to incarna. CCP has control over their product. But Sony are an active middle man that publish the product, unlike EVE which is published and developed entirely by CCP. Also, evenews24 is like the infowars of EVE. Posting their articles automatically removes your credibility.
konas gut Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.05.16 00:19:00 - [29] - Quote The reason you are here today playing dust is because CCP listened to the players and made changes to the game they played after player outrage and forum posting. You should thank those who stood of for what they believed in for this game!
inohahna mamotto The Sangheli 16	Posted - 2013.05.16 00:20:00 - [30] - Quote If you were smart you would realise that ccp has no control of how much things go for on psn store they can try to write a letter to sony but honestly dont expect a drop in price to happen boycotting ccp when they have no control over the psn market is really the stupidest idea that i have ever heard on here



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