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Jaron Pollard
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Posted - 2013.05.15 23:49:00 -
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I cannot believe that even in a free-to-play game where buying stuff with real money at all is entirely optional, someone is still whining about the price. As an Australian, I am ashamed for the immaturity on display here, and refuse to boycott DUST 514. Since, you know, it's free. |
Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
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Posted - 2013.05.15 23:55:00 -
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konas gut wrote:Skyhound Solbrave wrote:Do you have a law degree?
The boosters and what not are being sold through the playstation store, CCP does not control that only Sony does. You have no idea what goes into proving decisions, over sea merchant laws, or any other field that could legitimize this. Boycotting Dust woyld be the worst move since you would be punishing the wrong people. If anything, boycott the PSN. Why would i need a law degree to stand up for equal rights? CCP and Sony have to agree on prices this is a logical assumption, CCP please dispute this. I love playing dust but remember the incarna debacle, This was only resolved by a boycott. CCP only listen when you hit them where it hurts. CCP please act now
They have disputed this. They set a minimum, Sony applies it and adds their own tab because it's through their store. For comparison, go play EVE, where CCP are in entirely in control of the price of subs and PLEX and everyone pays the same price, even Australians. |
Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
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Posted - 2013.05.16 00:02:00 -
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konas gut wrote:Jaron Pollard wrote:I cannot believe that even in a free-to-play game where buying stuff with real money at all is entirely optional, someone is still whining about the price. As an Australian, I am ashamed for the immaturity on display here, and refuse to boycott DUST 514. Since, you know, it's free. I want to spend money on the game I play and love. I also don't want to pay double. How is this immature?
Tell you what, even though Sony charges Australians more for this stuff, so does everybody else, and in comparison to what Apple, Xbox, or others might charge for example, it's still all cheap as hell. You could smoke a pack a day, drink a carton a of Crownies a fortnight, still eat well and afford to make regular DUST purchases on a Centrelink student income, and that's after paying for all your text books for uni, as well as rent, and includes maintaining permanent Xbox Live and EVE online subs. How do I know? Because that's what I do. DUST is the cheapest of them all, and it's not just the cheapest, it is legitimately cheap. Cheap like Crazy Clarks cheap.
The problem isn't with CCP, it's with the IT industry in general, as a whole. Boycotting DUST alone won't solve the problem. Hell, there's a parliamentary inquest currently underway that includes a summons of Microsoft, IBM, Apple, and various other IT corps over why they charge Australians so much more than anyone else. The evidence that's in so far is that they charge that much because we're willing to pay that much. So if you want to boycott, you need to boycott everything IT until they realise we won't pay that much again.
Unless you get your head around the fact that merely boycotting DUST will solve nothing, then it is quite immature. |
Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
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Posted - 2013.05.16 00:19:00 -
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konas gut wrote:Jaron Pollard wrote:konas gut wrote:Jaron Pollard wrote:I cannot believe that even in a free-to-play game where buying stuff with real money at all is entirely optional, someone is still whining about the price. As an Australian, I am ashamed for the immaturity on display here, and refuse to boycott DUST 514. Since, you know, it's free. I want to spend money on the game I play and love. I also don't want to pay double. How is this immature? Tell you what, even though Sony charges Australians more for this stuff, so does everybody else, and in comparison to what Apple, Xbox, or others might charge for example, it's still all cheap as hell. You could smoke a pack a day, drink a carton a of Crownies a fortnight, still eat well and afford to make regular DUST purchases on a Centrelink student income, and that's after paying for all your text books for uni, as well as rent, and includes maintaining permanent Xbox Live and EVE online subs. How do I know? Because that's what I do. DUST is the cheapest of them all, and it's not just the cheapest, it is legitimately cheap. Cheap like Crazy Clarks cheap. The problem isn't with CCP, it's with the IT industry in general, as a whole. Boycotting DUST alone won't solve the problem. Hell, there's a parliamentary inquest currently underway that includes a summons of Microsoft, IBM, Apple, and various other IT corps over why they charge Australians so much more than anyone else. The evidence that's in so far is that they charge that much because we're willing to pay that much. So if you want to boycott, you need to boycott everything IT until they realise we won't pay that much again. Unless you get your head around the fact that merely boycotting DUST will solve nothing, then it is quite immature. Yes you are right, boycott never achieved anything and CCP has no control over their product. http://themittani.com/features/incarna-revisitedhttp://www.pcgamer.com/2011/07/04/eve-online-emergency-incarna-meeting-ccp-vs-the-csm/http://evenews24.com/2011/06/22/greed-is-good-purportedly-leaked-internal-bulletin-shows-ccps-refreshing-new-direction/Try reading history then comment
What, you think I don't know anything about incarna? I was there, son, and this is far from incarna. This is NOTHING compared to incarna. CCP has control over their product. But Sony are an active middle man that publish the product, unlike EVE which is published and developed entirely by CCP. Also, evenews24 is like the infowars of EVE. Posting their articles automatically removes your credibility. |
Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
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Posted - 2013.05.16 00:28:00 -
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konas gut wrote:inohahna mamotto wrote:If you were smart you would realise that ccp has no control of how much things go for on psn store they can try to write a letter to sony but honestly dont expect a drop in price to happen boycotting ccp when they have no control over the psn market is really the stupidest idea that i have ever heard on here If you were smart you would discuss facts and not presumed theories about how much control CCP has.
This is a fact, not a presumed theory. You can find out for yourself with some really rudimentary research. Try Google some time, I hear it works wonders for fact checking. |
Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
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Posted - 2013.05.16 00:31:00 -
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konas gut wrote:Proof CCP does control the price from another post
"This was the ccp response to my petition asking about the price differences
2013.05.15 10:26:00 GM Avantgarde
Hello,
We can understand why you would like a clarification over the price of Merc Pack in different countries.
Once we set the price on a game, SONY then would localise the price for each country based on local currency and taxes.
Please accept our sincere apologies and we thank you for the understanding.
If we could be your assistance on any DUST 514 issue in the future, please contact us again.
Best Regards,
GM Avantgarde
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514"
Actually, this is not proof that CCP controls the price that players receive, this is proof that Sony are somewhat akin to a "middleman" that take a cut themselves, or adjust it to, as they state, local currency and taxes. Since local currency in Australia is a very strong Australian dollar, it's not just this game that is more expensive here, but everything else as well. |
Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
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Posted - 2013.05.16 00:33:00 -
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konas gut wrote:Jaron Pollard wrote:konas gut wrote:inohahna mamotto wrote:If you were smart you would realise that ccp has no control of how much things go for on psn store they can try to write a letter to sony but honestly dont expect a drop in price to happen boycotting ccp when they have no control over the psn market is really the stupidest idea that i have ever heard on here If you were smart you would discuss facts and not presumed theories about how much control CCP has. This is a fact, not a presumed theory. You can find out for yourself with some really rudimentary research. Try Google some time, I hear it works wonders for fact checking. sorry but you are wrong next time use facts not fud
You didn't even click the link. Ignoring it doesn't make you right. Next time, use Google, not ignorance and some clear deep-seated need to be angry at something and someone all the time. Seriously, if you were smart, you'd go get your facts straight before telling silly lies just because you don't like being wrong. If you were smart, you'd be more capable of admitting you were wrong. If you were smart, you'd qq DUST and find something you like because you're obviously only here to moan. |
Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
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Posted - 2013.05.16 00:47:00 -
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Laheon wrote:
It's like the difference between buying wholesale and buying retail.
This. Playing EVE is like buying wholesale. Everyone pays the same, no middleman. Playing DUST is like buying retail (if you choose to pay for anything in it to begin with). There is a markup, depending on what country you live, exchange rates, and local taxes. Australia has GST, which applies to goods AND services, so it will apply to digital content being made available to purchase by Australian audiences. Of course, if there is no charge to begin with for said digital content, then there is no tax (because 10% of nothing is nothing. Thanks for the math lesson, Jayne.... Firefly fans will get it). |
Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
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Posted - 2013.05.16 00:52:00 -
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konas gut wrote:
The point of forum posting is to highlight issues and to troll. This has been accomplished
fail/10 |
Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
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Posted - 2013.05.16 01:04:00 -
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Mithridates VI wrote:Baneus Secundi wrote:Mithridates Vl wrote:Baneus Secundi wrote:Mithridates VI wrote:
You're an idiot.
You are so incapable of conversation that personal attacks are all that are left, you total moron.
Irony. This post has it. Do elaborate. I shouldn't have to. It's a reasonably straightforward statement. Refusal to clarify makes you appear dishonest. I disagree with your assessment that the post was ironic. You refuse to provide a reason why you think it so. There's a clearly a miscommunication here, which I am trying to resolve. If your aim in commenting wasn't to communicate, you might as well have just stayed quiet. If it was, the request for clarification is reasonable.
Actually, the irony is pretty obvious in that you criticise someone making personal attacks as an alternative to conversation while making personal attacks yourself. |
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