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Enderr Wigginn
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.14 21:34:00 -
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JX1 wrote:Sony have guidelines about trophies, one is common sense - You don't put them in a 100% online action game.
Warhawk
KING SALASI wrote:Trophies are fun they provide in game challenges and bragging rights among your friends. It also shows you are a true gamer.
QTF
I am a trophy w hore and I REALLY want trophies and the Vita app BUT I want CCP to fix all the issue first and extras second. |
Gregor stormwalker
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
14
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Posted - 2013.05.14 22:06:00 -
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Enderr Wigginn wrote:I am a trophy w hore and I REALLY want trophies and the Vita app BUT I want CCP to fix all the issue first and extras second.
yeah they are not a priority
56 Truth wrote:everybody knows your run faster with a knife!-------10 (or so) consecutive kills with just the nova knifes
thought about it what about same name but--- completely deplete an enemies shield and finish them off with melee attack
could have a 5-10 count consecutively,in one game or life time, does not need to have SP in knife but would be easier with one
edit: feel free to make suggestions about my suggestions im not suggesting im right |
Bling Blaine
FrontLine-Coalition
51
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Posted - 2013.05.14 23:20:00 -
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Darkonus Prime wrote:I think people who are rejecting trophy support are mostly likely PC gamers, we PS3 gamers love that glorious sounds when a trophy pop-up also it really provide in-game challenges and immersion
I believe your assumptions are correct about PC players commenting.
Euphoria in that loooooong 10 seconds before your platty pops......bliink |
Sponglyboy Squaredoo
Not Guilty EoN.
50
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Posted - 2013.05.14 23:27:00 -
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I want me trophies |
Bling Blaine
FrontLine-Coalition
53
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Posted - 2013.05.14 23:29:00 -
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56 truth wrote:Chinduko wrote:I don't care about trophies either. CCP and Sony have more important things to worry about than trophies. I agree to a point if done right trophies are great way for current players for try new ways of playing and bring in new players to the game if done wrong like most of time its like giving a kid a gold star for real reason....
I agree imagine this.....Someone who exclusively uses say a heavy ds all the time says, "well ok I guess I have to use the scout suit for that damn trophy", and the result of playing the scout for 5hrs is, "you know I actually did better with the scout suit then my usual heavy ds".
That is a perfect example of someone who was close minded and became open minded. A plus plus situation for dust, as this kind of trophy would widen the versitility of the player therefore creating a more knowledgeable player base. |
Lilah Silverstone
The Arrow Project
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Posted - 2013.05.14 23:34:00 -
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But but but, if you require someone to tell you to step out of your comfort zone, how can you say you really have? |
Snaps Tremor
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
213
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Posted - 2013.05.14 23:38:00 -
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The trophy system has no facility to dynamically update itself as new features enter the game - the Lumines Vita screwup proved this, as the game accidentally released without a Platinum and there was nothing they could do to re-add it. The only way you can put more trophies into a game is with expansion packs, and that doesn't really fit with Dust's development style. Most importantly, right now, Dust clearly doesn't have enough of the game implemented to make even a basic trophy list. |
Rorschach Mustang
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.14 23:55:00 -
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I support the trophy system.
Think of it this way... if people are trying for a specific kill, it's all the more easy to kill them :) |
Bling Blaine
FrontLine-Coalition
53
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Posted - 2013.05.15 00:11:00 -
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Snaps Tremor wrote:The trophy system has no facility to dynamically update itself as new features enter the game - the Lumines Vita screwup proved this, as the game accidentally released without a Platinum and there was nothing they could do to re-add it. The only way you can put more trophies into a game is with expansion packs, and that doesn't really fit with Dust's development style. Most importantly, right now, Dust clearly doesn't have enough of the game implemented to make even a basic trophy list.
How about a simple 25 trophy list with no platty? With each update they add a few relavant trophies, then after a few years (or whatever) toss the platty out there.
How do expansion packs not fit with dust's dev style? Aren't they releasing expansions, like uprising every few to 4 months?
It doesn't sound that hard. |
Snaps Tremor
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.15 00:40:00 -
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I literally just told you they can't just 'toss a platty' out there. You have to use your full point allocation for the initial release, so 30-50 trophies depending on how you split it up between bronze/silver/gold, and then after that only expansions. No going back and changing one that no longer applies or doesn't make sense when the game gets a major rework patch. CCP don't have the same flexibility with the trophy system like they do being able to patch and grow the game independent of PSN.
Trophies are a nice bonus feature, but Dust isn't ready for them yet and the devs are busy with a whole bunch of other real/important/relevant issues that need to be fixed to make the game work right. When they're ready to call upon the OCD brigade, they can push a trophy update out and let all the handwashers grind for their Sony-branded rat pellets. |
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jin foxdale
Kigurosaka Corporation
5
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Posted - 2013.05.15 01:16:00 -
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"I saw this in a movie once!" - sprint 15 meters with an empty weapon and finish off a reloading enemy with a melee attack.
"Ha Ha, they're like cockroaches!" - kill at least five enemies with a shotgun as they spawn from a drop uplink.
"Don't ever say I wasn't there for you" - Destroy an LAV as it approaches a reloading teammate head on.
"Nah, THIS is a knife" - win a nova-knife duel.
"RICO! You are relieved of squad command!!" - earn, but don't call in, 2 OB's in one match. (maybe leave that one for last)
"Does it hurt? Does it hurt?" - you and up to five squadmates kill a proto heavy using only pistols.
I tried to come up with trophies that might pop up naturally in gameplay - I've done the first four in recent days, I'm sure at least some of you have experienced the OB one on some level or another, and the heavy/pistols one would be, well, just a freaking joy to partake in.
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Odin1313
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.15 07:40:00 -
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free game ,free trophys equals a lot more people involved and for the haters haten on trophys you are a small portion of people ok its no ones fault you suck at gaming and cant get them but i also would like to know if there will be as i like the game and would like to experience more cause as is people are maxing there one character and its fu#king hard as sh#t to keep up with the people that have smashed it in the bata will someone think of the noobs |
Bling Blaine
FrontLine-Coalition
58
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Posted - 2013.05.15 08:20:00 -
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Snaps Tremor wrote:I literally just told you they can't just 'toss a platty' out there. You have to use your full point allocation for the initial release, so 30-50 trophies depending on how you split it up between bronze/silver/gold, and then after that only expansions. No going back and changing one that no longer applies or doesn't make sense when the game gets a major rework patch. CCP don't have the same flexibility with the trophy system like they do being able to patch and grow the game independent of PSN.
Trophies are a nice bonus feature, but Dust isn't ready for them yet and the devs are busy with a whole bunch of other real/important/relevant issues that need to be fixed to make the game work right. When they're ready to call upon the OCD brigade, they can push a trophy update out and let all the handwashers grind for their Sony-branded rat pellets.
Sorry I dont believe your statements.
There is no Valid reason for not putting a blank platty in place for a further unlock, after expansion. |
Bling Blaine
FrontLine-Coalition
58
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Posted - 2013.05.15 08:57:00 -
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Bling Blaine wrote:[quote=Snaps Tremor]I literally just told you they can't just 'toss a platty' out there. You have to use your full point allocation for the initial release, so 30-50 trophies depending on how you split it up between bronze/silver/gold, and then after that only expansions. No going back and changing one that no longer applies or doesn't make sense when the game gets a major rework patch. CCP don't have the same flexibility with the trophy system like they do being able to patch and grow the game independent of PSN.
Trophies are a nice bonus feature, but Dust isn't ready for them yet and the devs are busy with a whole bunch of other real/important/relevant issues that need to be fixed to make the game work right. When they're ready to call upon the OCD brigade, they can push a trophy update out and let all the handwashers grind for their Sony-branded rat pellets.
Sorry I dont entirely believe your statements.
I believe there are alot of different options for the trophy system, I understand the point allocation system with gold silver bronze and platty, but alot of online games release a ton of trophies post launch, so I dont see why we couldnt get a platty say 1 year from now.
What about no platty on the first batch then adding the platty after say the 4th expansion. Regardless trophies are and have been added after the first batch was released upon launch.
I remember bf3 releasing like 10 trophies (on top of the 39 from launch) like every 3 months after launch. They had some golds too, how do you explain the point allocation for further expansion trophies? Borderlands 1 had 81 trophies. |
Snaps Tremor
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:13:00 -
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Bling Blaine wrote:Snaps Tremor wrote:I literally just told you they can't just 'toss a platty' out there. You have to use your full point allocation for the initial release, so 30-50 trophies depending on how you split it up between bronze/silver/gold, and then after that only expansions. No going back and changing one that no longer applies or doesn't make sense when the game gets a major rework patch. CCP don't have the same flexibility with the trophy system like they do being able to patch and grow the game independent of PSN.
Trophies are a nice bonus feature, but Dust isn't ready for them yet and the devs are busy with a whole bunch of other real/important/relevant issues that need to be fixed to make the game work right. When they're ready to call upon the OCD brigade, they can push a trophy update out and let all the handwashers grind for their Sony-branded rat pellets. Sorry I dont entirely believe your statements. I believe there are alot of different options for the trophy system, I understand the point allocation system with gold silver bronze and platty, but alot of online games release a ton of trophies post launch, so I dont see why we couldnt get a platty say 1 year from now. What about no platty on the first batch then adding the platty after say the 4th expansion. Regardless trophies are and have been added after the first batch was released upon launch. I remember mag releasing like 20 trophies (on top of the 50 from launch) like 8 months after launch. They had some golds too, how do you explain the point allocation for further expansion trophies? Borderlands 1 had 81 trophies.
Every game has a set point total, every expansion has a set point total. Each trophy costs a different amount of points. If Borderlands had 81 trophies then it was either entirely bronze trophies or you're talking about the GOTY edition that bundled all the DLC packs on top of the original game. MAG had two expansion releases, Interdiction and Escalation, which both fell within the guidelines for expansions as the trophy release for MAG did for full releases.
Sony have to take the trophy system absolutely seriously because it is based on a value system that doesn't exist. If trophy unlocking was hacked in a widespread fashion (unlike now, where I've only ever seen one confirmed illegitimate trophy list on PS3 in five years) the entire thing comes crashing to the ground.
Just imagine, if chipping ever became as widespread as the PS2, and people could press a button to unlock trophies they hadn't earned, the compulsion to collect them all would disappear overnight and leave you staring at years of wasted time. This is why the system is extremely inflexible and heavily moderated. This is why nobody is tossing a platty. |
stormyuk
DUST University Ivy League
18
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:16:00 -
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Still says Dust 514 beta on the UK store. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2296
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:28:00 -
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I don't give a damn about trophies. They are of no use to me. |
Bling Blaine
FrontLine-Coalition
60
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:24:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:I don't give a damn about trophies. They are of no use to me.
Well thanks for the bump anyhow. |
Sponglyboy Squaredoo
Not Guilty EoN.
51
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:26:00 -
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Bling Blaine wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:I don't give a damn about trophies. They are of no use to me. Well thanks for the bump anyhow.
hahah |
tribal wyvern
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
905
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:47:00 -
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copy left wrote:JX1 wrote:Sony have guidelines about trophies, one is common sense - You don't put them in a 100% online action game. MAG , FREE REALMS, AND DCUO all HAVE Trophies....... There are all online only games DCUO has trophies yes, but not the f2p version. You have to be a subscriber in order to activate trophies. |
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Bling Blaine
FrontLine-Coalition
66
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Posted - 2013.05.16 04:48:00 -
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tribal wyvern wrote:copy left wrote:JX1 wrote:Sony have guidelines about trophies, one is common sense - You don't put them in a 100% online action game. MAG , FREE REALMS, AND DCUO all HAVE Trophies....... There are all online only games DCUO and free realms have trophies yes, but not the f2p version. You have to be a subscriber in order to activate trophies. Dust has no subscription, therefore no trophies. If they came out with a subscription model on top of the f2p model THEN there would be trophies for the subscription model. And as far as MAG goes, it wasn't a free game....you had to BUY it, therefore it has trophies because its not a free game. Online only yes, free no.
So this is obviously why Iron Wolf Sabre was asking if and what people would be willing to pay for a subscription. So I guess we need to pay for trophies in the sence of a release sale, equalling $60. Otherwise F2P will never get trophies.
So I say CCP set a precedence and give us trophies based on the microtransactions each player has paid for, and if the players total was over $60 then the trophies would be unlocked as well as a multitude of other options for being a valued customer.
I know alot of people have spent alot more than $60 and they have really nothing to show for it besides a few bpo's. Why not reward players who have funded the game with a subscription/award system with items like the trophies unlocked. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3018
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Posted - 2013.05.16 05:05:00 -
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Free games don't have trophies.
DCUO is an exception because when it came out, IT WASN'T FREE.
FreeRealms is basically a test platform for DCUO's Free-To-Play model, so it had to have trophies or it wouldn't have been a viable test. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4121
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Posted - 2013.05.16 05:26:00 -
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Why Trophies? We should be doing what steam is, trading cards. |
Bling Blaine
FrontLine-Coalition
66
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Posted - 2013.05.16 05:38:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Why Trophies? We should be doing what steam is, trading cards.
I love how All pc guys couldnt give a schit about trophies.
Remember this IS a ps3 game and trophies are part of Sony, not Steam. |
Bling Blaine
FrontLine-Coalition
66
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Posted - 2013.05.16 05:40:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Free games don't have trophies.
DCUO is an exception because when it came out, IT WASN'T FREE.
FreeRealms is basically a test platform for DCUO's Free-To-Play model, so it had to have trophies or it wouldn't have been a viable test.
Like I stated above, what if there was a subscription model? Could/would there be a possible implementation at that point?
Worth considering I do believe, especially if the state of the game needs more exposure. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4121
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Posted - 2013.05.16 05:45:00 -
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Just saying its an idea, maybe it can turn into a card game inside dust 514.
Aces in the hole or something. Do amazing feat, get card, use card to battle friends or trade. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4121
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Posted - 2013.05.16 05:47:00 -
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Bling Blaine wrote:tribal wyvern wrote:copy left wrote:JX1 wrote:Sony have guidelines about trophies, one is common sense - You don't put them in a 100% online action game. MAG , FREE REALMS, AND DCUO all HAVE Trophies....... There are all online only games DCUO and free realms have trophies yes, but not the f2p version. You have to be a subscriber in order to activate trophies. Dust has no subscription, therefore no trophies. If they came out with a subscription model on top of the f2p model THEN there would be trophies for the subscription model. And as far as MAG goes, it wasn't a free game....you had to BUY it, therefore it has trophies because its not a free game. Online only yes, free no. So this is obviously why Iron Wolf Sabre was asking if and what people would be willing to pay for a subscription. So I guess we need to pay for trophies in the sence of a release sale, equalling $60. Otherwise F2P will never get trophies. So I say CCP set a precedence and give us trophies based on the microtransactions each player has paid for, and if the players total was over $60 then the trophies would be unlocked as well as a multitude of other options for being a valued customer. I know alot of people have spent alot more than $60 and they have really nothing to show for it besides a few bpo's. Why not reward players who have funded the game with a subscription/award system with items like the trophies unlocked.
That was before I was CPM mind you. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3022
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Posted - 2013.05.16 05:53:00 -
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Bling Blaine wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Free games don't have trophies.
DCUO is an exception because when it came out, IT WASN'T FREE.
FreeRealms is basically a test platform for DCUO's Free-To-Play model, so it had to have trophies or it wouldn't have been a viable test. Like I stated above, what if there was a subscription model? Could/would there be a possible implementation at that point? Worth considering I do believe, especially if the state of the game needs more exposure. Could there be a sub with trophies? Yes. Is there likely to be? Possibly. Not sure. Is it needed? Not really, no. Is it urgent? Most definitely not.
But yes, it may be something for CCP to look at somewhere down the line. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3022
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Posted - 2013.05.16 05:54:00 -
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Bling Blaine wrote:So I guess we need to pay for trophies in the sence of a release sale, equalling $60. Otherwise F2P will never get trophies. Because DCUO's $20 sub that gets your trophies totals up to $60.
And Journey is a $60 game. It must be, because it has trophies. |
Bling Blaine
FrontLine-Coalition
66
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Posted - 2013.05.16 05:56:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Bling Blaine wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Free games don't have trophies.
DCUO is an exception because when it came out, IT WASN'T FREE.
FreeRealms is basically a test platform for DCUO's Free-To-Play model, so it had to have trophies or it wouldn't have been a viable test. Like I stated above, what if there was a subscription model? Could/would there be a possible implementation at that point? Worth considering I do believe, especially if the state of the game needs more exposure. Could there be a sub with trophies? Yes. Is there likely to be? Possibly. Not sure. Is it needed? Not really, no. Is it urgent? Most definitely not. But yes, it may be something for CCP to look at somewhere down the line.
Yes I agree there are many many things needing addressed before trophies (Like the new aiming system!!!!!! CCP fix the accelerator aiming mechanics!!!!!!!!) I figured we could get some things discussed along the way, as we have. |
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