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crazy space 1
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.14 17:57:00 -
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Vin Mora wrote:Nstomper wrote:if the trophies ctually matterd and gave you a reward for getting them , same with xbox gamerscore they have no value To you. They have no value to you. Personally, I use Trophies and achievements as a way to try new things. damn straight, I want them too |
spoony moon
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.05.14 17:57:00 -
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I want my trophies.!!!! |
Bubbles moon
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:00:00 -
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Nstomper wrote:if the trophies ctually matterd and gave you a reward for getting them , same with xbox gamerscore they have no value
People have become so jaded. It's points, like in megaman 1 or other old school video games. It's simple and takes nothing but a dev with a pen and paper to put into the game. Yes points do nothing, your score at the end of turtles in time means nothing, but doesn't it feel good to have a higher score than your friend? yes, yes it does.
I refuse to lose my childlike wonder <3 |
copy left
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
160
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:01:00 -
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JX1 wrote:Sony have guidelines about trophies, one is common sense - You don't put them in a 100% online action game. MAG , FREE REALMS, AND DCUO all HAVE Trophies....... There are all online only games |
JUST A SCRUB
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:02:00 -
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JX1 wrote:Sony have guidelines about trophies, one is common sense - You don't put them in a 100% online action game.
Cough cough you mean like MAG which has the rarest platinum the Massive Action Gamer |
Gregor stormwalker
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
14
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:02:00 -
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like it might start doing this |
Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
752
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:07:00 -
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Why so much hate for trophies? Seriously are they going to hurt the game? No. Are they going to hurt you? No. Are most of you being a whiny pisant? Yes. Some of you need a serious reality check though, and learn that it is not all about "you." This game would benefit greatly from added trohpy support. Personally I'd love to have some avatars from the PlayStation store too. I'm not really a trophy hunter, or anything, but I do not mind them, and they do make the game more enjoyable. Plus it would help bring in a lot of new players. Unless you all have forgotten this game is severely lacking in the "population" department. Warhawk has more people playing on their servers per day then Dust514. Starhawk, and MAG both probably do too. I'd love to actually have some new players for a change. Instead of the same gimpy trash from this supposed wannabe community.
In short? Trophies are a good thing, get over it, and move on. |
Bling Blaine
FrontLine-Coalition
37
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:16:00 -
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JUST A SCRUB wrote:JX1 wrote:Sony have guidelines about trophies, one is common sense - You don't put them in a 100% online action game. Cough cough you mean like MAG which has the rarest platinum the Massive Action Gamer
Yeah bragging rights....
I GOT THE MASSIVE ACTION GAMER Platty
See was that not fun? Oh it was, btw I got MAG, BF3, BFBC2, COD Black ops and many many other platinum trophies.
They also create MORE interest for the game, Don't you all want what's good for the game.
for example, some trophy ***** sets foot on dust and finds out he Loves it and actually plays for years despite the trophies.
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nor asha
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:22:00 -
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Laheon wrote:Sooo...
Achievements were originally a way to show off how involved you were in a game, or how much you had finished. Companies very often use them as a away to keep gamers playing, to get that one last achievement that's just that hard to get. In other words, there's really no point in getting them, apart from the sense of.. well, achievement. Otherwise, you're essentially playing a game for no reward. Not that games need rewards, mind you. They just need to be entertaining.
Now we have a MMORPFPS which rewards you for playing in another way. The more you play, the better the equipment you can wear, and the better you can survive. Not only that, if you're good, and play well with others, you can own your own planet. You get to play the game in any fashion you wish to, within game mechanics, and get the same sense of achievement when you finish conquering a planet, finally get to use that proto weapon, manage to take down another corp through subterfuge (I expect to see this within a year!) or any other type of unforced reward system. I've always found the achievement system way too forced. If I beat the game, why do I have to jump off a building doing a double backflip, and headshot someone on the way down just for 10 points? I'd feel much more satisfaction doing the same thing, but without the achievement system rewarding me for such.
Edit: after posting, I feel like I should clarify that last statement. It meant that I had the originality to look at the game mechanics, struggle through mastering them, and then pull off such a stunt, as opposed to looking at the achievement and thinking "I want that". As opposing to being told what to do and rewarded for it, I'd much rather think of something and do it and be rewarded for it.
For example, in Eve, you don't get rewarded the first time you get into a battleship, or the second, or the hundredth. Being able to pilot a battleship is its own reward. Or Hulkageddon - you're not going to get an achievement for blowing up a mining ship in highsec, but you do it anyway, because it's fun.
eve online has "credentials"
They are eve online's achievements/trophies . So suck it. Hull tanking "
Also you can create your own Trophies using the ingame decoration tool. Yes I'm ******* serious, internet spaceships man, serious business |
rawr pixelpants
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:24:00 -
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copy left wrote:JX1 wrote:Sony have guidelines about trophies, one is common sense - You don't put them in a 100% online action game. MAG , FREE REALMS, AND DCUO all HAVE Trophies....... There are all online only games Damn straight , also PS2 even has them doesn't it?
Now come on CCP, deliver your "AAA" shooter experience
because right now polish is lacking |
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
201
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:25:00 -
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Bling Blaine wrote:I thought Sony required all fully released games to include trophies. Now is this not a commercial release? Or is it because it is F2P. Microtransactions don't count? CCP please answer this for us trophy hunters. here we go: I give you a high five as trophy if you manage to kill 11 suit in real battle with the scrambler pistol without a reload. |
rose bustskulls
Worst Corp. INC.
0
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:26:00 -
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Bling Blaine wrote:I thought Sony required all fully released games to include trophies. Now is this not a commercial release? Or is it because it is F2P. Microtransactions don't count? CCP please answer this for us trophy hunters. Support, obviously. |
rose bustskulls
Worst Corp. INC.
0
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:28:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Bling Blaine wrote:I thought Sony required all fully released games to include trophies. Now is this not a commercial release? Or is it because it is F2P. Microtransactions don't count? CCP please answer this for us trophy hunters. here we go: I give you a high five as trophy if you manage to kill 11 suit in real battle with the scrambler pistol without a reload. That is exactly what they should be like.
Kill 4 people at once with a remote mine
Nova knife 10 people in a chain, no more than 30 seconds between each kill.
Who is to say these can't also give out sp rewards in small chunks. 100-500 points, for fun. come on, you remember fun. |
Octavian Vetiver
Dog Nation United
159
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:29:00 -
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nor asha wrote:Laheon wrote:Sooo...
Achievements were originally a way to show off how involved you were in a game, or how much you had finished. Companies very often use them as a away to keep gamers playing, to get that one last achievement that's just that hard to get. In other words, there's really no point in getting them, apart from the sense of.. well, achievement. Otherwise, you're essentially playing a game for no reward. Not that games need rewards, mind you. They just need to be entertaining.
Now we have a MMORPFPS which rewards you for playing in another way. The more you play, the better the equipment you can wear, and the better you can survive. Not only that, if you're good, and play well with others, you can own your own planet. You get to play the game in any fashion you wish to, within game mechanics, and get the same sense of achievement when you finish conquering a planet, finally get to use that proto weapon, manage to take down another corp through subterfuge (I expect to see this within a year!) or any other type of unforced reward system. I've always found the achievement system way too forced. If I beat the game, why do I have to jump off a building doing a double backflip, and headshot someone on the way down just for 10 points? I'd feel much more satisfaction doing the same thing, but without the achievement system rewarding me for such.
Edit: after posting, I feel like I should clarify that last statement. It meant that I had the originality to look at the game mechanics, struggle through mastering them, and then pull off such a stunt, as opposed to looking at the achievement and thinking "I want that". As opposing to being told what to do and rewarded for it, I'd much rather think of something and do it and be rewarded for it.
For example, in Eve, you don't get rewarded the first time you get into a battleship, or the second, or the hundredth. Being able to pilot a battleship is its own reward. Or Hulkageddon - you're not going to get an achievement for blowing up a mining ship in highsec, but you do it anyway, because it's fun. eve online has "credentials" They are eve online's achievements/trophies . So suck it. Hull tanking " Also you can create your own Trophies using the ingame decoration tool. Yes I'm ******* serious, internet spaceships man, serious business
Certificates are basically a skill planner for one and for the second not many bother with the corp awards due to costs. It's 5mil to give a corp member an award. |
56 truth
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
81
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:29:00 -
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Gregor stormwalker wrote:like it might start doing this I too think achievements and trophies are pointless but they do have a place in most (if not all) games highly so if they get you to play out of your gaming confront zone or such (for those who haven't, watch the video in full and lets start a proper tread on why and why not this game should not have trophies besides being pointless) |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
702
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:32:00 -
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I want trophies for AFK farming and team-killing.
Please? |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
463
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:45:00 -
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nor asha wrote: eve online has "credentials"
They are eve online's achievements/trophies . So suck it. Hull tanking "
Also you can create your own Trophies using the ingame decoration tool. Yes I'm ******* serious, internet spaceships man, serious business
The certificates you're referring to were meant to be a way to show to others what skills you had. For example, if you wanted to show that you were a miner, you could point to your certificates and say "I have all the mining certs, I'm good for your corp" and be recruited.
However, they are no longer used like this, and used more like a skill planner. I rarely bother with them anymore as I already know what I want to skill into, and most of the skills in the certs are a little unnecessary for what I want to do.
Just for the record, they were made fairly irrelevant when the API key came in, and you could send your API key to someone else so they could check your skills, instead of having to use the certs. |
Calgoth Reborn
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ Orion Empire
256
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Posted - 2013.05.14 18:50:00 -
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copy left wrote:JX1 wrote:Sony have guidelines about trophies, one is common sense - You don't put them in a 100% online action game. MAG , FREE REALMS, AND DCUO all HAVE Trophies....... There are all online only games
Never played MAG or Free Realms but DCUO was not originally F2P had to buy the game and was a subscription based game.
You can complete the trophy's but they are locked and you only get credit for them if you subscribe.
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Darkonus Prime
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.05.14 19:47:00 -
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I think people who are rejecting trophy support are mostly likely PC gamers, we PS3 gamers love that glorious sounds when a trophy pop-up also it really provide in-game challenges and immersion |
Gregor stormwalker
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
14
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Posted - 2013.05.14 20:00:00 -
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56 truth wrote:Gregor stormwalker wrote:like it might start doing this I too think achievements and trophies are pointless but they do have a place in most (if not all) games highly so if they get you to play out of your gaming confront zone or such (for those who haven't, watch the video in full and lets start a proper tread on why and why not this game should not have trophies besides being pointless)
not sure if there is a place ether but there could be does not hurt anyone that does not care if they are there might attract players as well. some ideas based on extra credits
unavoidable trophies (they do have a place) Name welcome to new eden----------------------- fight your way out of the Academy war is are business-------------------------- join player run corp does my gun look big in this----------------set up your 1st fitting 101010-------------------------------------------- play a PVE match Been there done that-------------------------- Play one of each game type in public games
optional see the worlds they said----------------- play a FW match get off my land ----------------------------- play a PC defense match all your bases are belong to us--------play a PC attack match This is my gun------------------------------ skill fully into a gun LBD ----------------------------------------- skill fully into a specialization dropsuit KDR is not everything--------------------come top of the score bored with a negative KDR death from above -------------------------- call in off map support
Inspiring I have your back---------------------------- be a member of the same player run corp for 6 months brothers in arms--------------------------- be a member of the same player run corp for 1 year blueberry eaters---------------------------- play in a full squad that tops the score bored
can't think of many more |
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Nstomper
The Sangheli
412
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Posted - 2013.05.14 20:26:00 -
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Bubbles moon wrote:Nstomper wrote:if the trophies ctually matterd and gave you a reward for getting them , same with xbox gamerscore they have no value People have become so jaded. It's points, like in megaman 1 or other old school video games. It's simple and takes nothing but a dev with a pen and paper to put into the game. Yes points do nothing, your score at the end of turtles in time means nothing, but doesn't it feel good to have a higher score than your friend? yes, yes it does. I refuse to lose my childlike wonder <3 Eh somewhat feels good to see that i have more trophies then my friends |
Liner ReXiandra
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2013.05.14 20:36:00 -
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Gregor stormwalker wrote: can't think of many more
Dont fit what you cant afford ---------------------------- more isk spend in battle than the contract paid out Welcome to EVE ---------------------------- have a director from your corp take 90% or more out of the corp wallet Awoxing alt time ---------------------------- be the one to take 90% or more out of the corp wallet |
Taurion Bruni
Nightingale Logistics Pty Ltd
12
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Posted - 2013.05.14 20:40:00 -
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I can see the list of achievements now:
Team kill someone
Loose your vehicle to an RDV pilot (pilot does not have to be carrying your vehicle)
become an OP player
spend millions of sp to find out that you skilled into useless items
become a noob again after a nerf
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56 truth
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
81
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Posted - 2013.05.14 20:48:00 -
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I think there was big wp idea thread but I cant find it but they not turn some of in trophies https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=774553#post774553
although im working on a bigger list here some of mine
nice job breaking it soldier!----blowing up a supply depot, CRA or vehicle as its getting hacked by a team mate
everybody knows your run faster with a knife!-------10 (or so) consecutive kills with just the nova knifes
dude, my LAV's new paint job-----run over more then 15 enemy merc's |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1086
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Posted - 2013.05.14 20:53:00 -
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I'd like a "To Dust" Trophy, die so many times in a row, or get a higher deathstreak than your killstreak. |
Chinduko
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
56
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Posted - 2013.05.14 21:05:00 -
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I don't care about trophies either. CCP and Sony have more important things to worry about than trophies. |
56 truth
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
81
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Posted - 2013.05.14 21:09:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:I'd like a "To Dust" Trophy, die so many times in a row, or get a higher deathstreak than your killstreak.
ashes to ashes dust to dust---died more then you have killed
poppy/lily feed---die more then 10 in a match |
Baneus Secundi
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.05.14 21:18:00 -
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http://thepunchlineismachismo.com/archives/comic/05032010 |
56 truth
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
81
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Posted - 2013.05.14 21:19:00 -
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Chinduko wrote:I don't care about trophies either. CCP and Sony have more important things to worry about than trophies. I agree to a point if done right trophies are great way for current players for try new ways of playing and bring in new players to the game if done wrong like most of time its like giving a kid a gold star for real reason.... |
Gregor stormwalker
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
14
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Posted - 2013.05.14 21:29:00 -
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56 truth wrote:I think there was big wp idea thread but I cant find it but they not turn some of in trophies https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=774553#post774553although im working on a bigger list here some of mine nice job breaking it soldier!----blowing up a supply depot, CRA or vehicle as its getting hacked by a team mate everybody knows your run faster with a knife!-------10 (or so) consecutive kills with just the nova knifes dude, my LAV's new paint job-----run over more then 15 enemy merc's
like it would maybe drop "everybody knows your run faster with a knife!" In My Opinion no trophy should require SP one very pacific item this could be seen a forcing a player to play a set way and i don't want to see heavy suits running about trying to get 10 knife kills (there was one in a game I played that was getting kills but still)
but then again it does open up creating an alt to run knife scout, and on that note
go go gadget merc-----have one of all 3 dropsuit basic classes at proto across your 3 chars
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