DUST Search - Call me cynical but let me guess what happened with drop-ships

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

If you redesign your fit to take advantage of this "nerf" you can come out of it with the same EHP (not the same straight HP though) as you had before, maybe more in some cases.

LAVs still get one-shotted by Militia Swarm Launchers (I've done it many times already today). Dropships don't, unless they're fail fits. All's still right with the world. Forge Guns seem more brutal against Dropships today, but I'm not sure if that's because people are running their pre-release fits or because something else has changed.

We don't have our respec happening yet, but the lines are open to request one now. Instructions have been posted, but be warned they won't actually give us the respec until the full range of planned skill changes is implemented. Also, current descriptions of all skills I'm aware of are now actually correct, and it looks like some skills which weren't correctly applying to all the valid items are now fixed as well.

I recommend using the respec and ONLY skilling into the basic necessities if you're that paranoid about everything changing again. Give it a while then spec into things that are stable and appear to be working.

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Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 418	Posted - 2013.05.14 15:51:00 - [1] - Quote Been away from it all and won't be near my PS3 till 16th If I had to guess ~ DS prices have not decreased yet. Probably increased. ~DS health was not raised despite every other vehicle HP going up ~DS somehow nerfed and now dies in one forge gun blast instead of two. ~Skill descriptions not fixed ~New skill desciptions broken/bugged/ninja-nerfed/opposite of what skill really does. ~We'll be offered one respec... but forced to use it before some deadline while skill descriptions are still ambiguous or inaccurate. ~Right after that respec they'll do more 'fixes' breaking or nerfing more things and we won't be able to respec after that. ~If we use the respec now we'll screw ourselves later just like before. ~If we don't use the respec now we'll screw ourselves for the next month or three while we wait for CCP to quit having arbitrary skill descriptions ~Some sort of game breaking bug introduced that makes all DS pilots rage quit. ~The old game breaking bugs (man dies in turret, locked out of ship) but not fixed. Am I missing anything?
Judge Rhadamanthus Kapow Heavy Industries 107	Posted - 2013.05.14 16:00:00 - [2] - Quote You missed that the new bridge map has rail turrets manned by super accurate grudge holding AI on 2 low mountains that can shoot the whole map. This is also a perfect spot for rail tanks. It is almost impossible to stop moving on that map. With the 5% per level loss to shields and armour, which is now 2% resistance per level I lost over 300 EHP. Staying alive is pretty much impossible until DS get the HP buff that other vehicles got. aV of all types is still way OP for us, and tanks too. grenades in particular.oh and they made Gallente DS noticeably slower to.
Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 418	Posted - 2013.05.14 16:04:00 - [3] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: You missed that the new bridge map has rail turrets manned by super accurate grudge holding AI on 2 low mountains that can shoot the whole map. This is also a perfect spot for rail tanks. It is almost impossible to stop moving on that map. With the 5% per level loss to shields and armour, which is now 2% resistance per level I lost over 300 EHP. Staying alive is pretty much impossible until DS get the HP buff that other vehicles got. aV of all types is still way OP for us, and tanks too. grenades in particular.oh and they made Gallente DS noticeably slower to. Yeah, Think we all know what to do with that respec now. PS, let me guess. Those rail installations wouldn't happen to be deep behind the enemy redline where they'll likely be present for the entire game, would they?
Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 418	Posted - 2013.05.14 16:18:00 - [4] - Quote Wait so we lost more HP? Lol Who else thinks it's plausible that they totally forgot DS existed. Makes sense for the other vehicles. They increase all of their HP, some drastically. Lower skill-given HP a little bit, and tack on some resist. Sounds like an all around good change. Unless you're the vehicle that missed the first half of that equation then it's definitely not a measured buff like the rest. Dropships: perpetual after thought?
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 455	Posted - 2013.05.14 16:21:00 - [5] - Quote Regarding respec... You can file a petition with CCP and they'll allow you to have one. They're not doing it server-wide simply because not everyone wants another one.
Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 418	Posted - 2013.05.14 16:25:00 - [6] - Quote Laheon wrote: Regarding respec... You can file a petition with CCP and they'll allow you to have one. They're not doing it server-wide simply because not everyone wants another one. But then we're back to square one. CCP GM stated it would make more sense to 'save it till after the new skills are released' But my spec has issues now because of descriptions that previously were wholly inaccurate to the point of not even being related to what the skill did. If I respec now to fix those problems in preparation for the first days of PC fighting, then I'll lose the chance allotted to fix the issues they're predicting most will want to fix After new skills tree is out? And when will that be? Hardly makes sense
Panda's Assistant The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 10	Posted - 2013.05.14 16:26:00 - [7] - Quote This does push my buttons. Hence I'm an full dedicated pilot.... Forges is an pain. Some resist from forge should be there. Less HP????? WTF??? We complained for months to raise the HP since it's an Dropship!!! Not an freaking paper air plane... Shame on you CCP, shame on you.
Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 418	Posted - 2013.05.14 16:28:00 - [8] - Quote Panda's Assistant wrote: This does push my buttons. Hence I'm an full dedicated pilot.... Forges is an pain. Some resist from forge should be there. Less HP????? WTF??? We complained for months to raise the HP since it's an Dropship!!! Not an freaking paper air plane... Shame on you CCP, shame on you. 2500 base damage plus mods > total EHP of DS with like 50% resist, no? Do skill resist stack or have diminishing returns? Do skill resist and module resist stack or have diminishing returns Do module resist stack of have penalties? I feel like these are all things we need to know.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2966	Posted - 2013.05.14 16:28:00 - [9] - Quote If you redesign your fit to take advantage of this "nerf" you can come out of it with the same EHP (not the same straight HP though) as you had before, maybe more in some cases. LAVs still get one-shotted by Militia Swarm Launchers (I've done it many times already today). Dropships don't, unless they're fail fits. All's still right with the world. Forge Guns seem more brutal against Dropships today, but I'm not sure if that's because people are running their pre-release fits or because something else has changed. We don't have our respec happening yet, but the lines are open to request one now. Instructions have been posted, but be warned they won't actually give us the respec until the full range of planned skill changes is implemented. Also, current descriptions of all skills I'm aware of are now actually correct, and it looks like some skills which weren't correctly applying to all the valid items are now fixed as well. I recommend using the respec and ONLY skilling into the basic necessities if you're that paranoid about everything changing again. Give it a while then spec into things that are stable and appear to be working.
Mocha Biscotti Red Star. EoN. 21	Posted - 2013.05.14 16:31:00 - [10] - Quote Should I be telling the person I got interested in this game WITH dropships.. Not to go for them? He's going to be crushed if its really this bad...

DigiOps Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 238	Posted - 2013.05.14 16:33:00 - [11] - Quote Mocha Biscotti wrote: Should I be telling the person I got interested in this game WITH dropships.. Not to go for them? He's going to be crushed if its really this bad... My buddy started piloting too. He's having such a hard time with it and is forced to use the militia starter fits just to get SP and isk. It makes me sad.
WyrmHero1945 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 259	Posted - 2013.05.14 16:34:00 - [12] - Quote Still don't understand why the Myron has 1075 shield HP while Grimsnes 1700 armor HP. Not speccing into dropships until they fix this.
J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2013.05.14 16:40:00 - [13] - Quote 6730 EHP Incubus anyone?
Mocha Biscotti Red Star. EoN. 21	Posted - 2013.05.14 16:40:00 - [14] - Quote DigiOps wrote: Mocha Biscotti wrote: Should I be telling the person I got interested in this game WITH dropships.. Not to go for them? He's going to be crushed if its really this bad... My buddy started piloting too. He's having such a hard time with it and is forced to use the militia starter fits just to get SP and isk. It makes me sad. : \ Well I mean, my friends going to have corp funds behind him but... If its Get in air-> Explode-> Repeat hes gonna have a bad time.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2966	Posted - 2013.05.14 17:34:00 - [15] - Quote WyrmHero1945 wrote: Still don't understand why the Myron has 1075 shield HP while Grimsnes 1700 armor HP. Not speccing into dropships until they fix this. Armour doesn't get regen. Shield gets regen, but lower HP. Also, Grims don't handle as nicely.
Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 418	Posted - 2013.05.14 18:08:00 - [16] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Also, current descriptions of all skills I'm aware of are now actually correct, and it looks like some skills which weren't correctly applying to all the valid items are now fixed as well. While this is good, it still means for the first part of PC I'll have gimped skills in a gimped role because nothing is being done to rectify those previous mistakes till they release the 'new skills' which is.. when? From now till New Skills, every planetary game I play will have millions of wasted SP, every ounce of which DS pilots need.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1616	Posted - 2013.05.14 18:12:00 - [17] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: If you redesign your fit to take advantage of this "nerf" you can come out of it with the same EHP (not the same straight HP though) as you had before, maybe more in some cases. LAVs still get one-shotted by Militia Swarm Launchers (I've done it many times already today). Dropships don't, unless they're fail fits. All's still right with the world. Forge Guns seem more brutal against Dropships today, but I'm not sure if that's because people are running their pre-release fits or because something else has changed. We don't have our respec happening yet, but the lines are open to request one now. Instructions have been posted, but be warned they won't actually give us the respec until the full range of planned skill changes is implemented. Also, current descriptions of all skills I'm aware of are now actually correct, and it looks like some skills which weren't correctly applying to all the valid items are now fixed as well. I recommend using the respec and ONLY skilling into the basic necessities if you're that paranoid about everything changing again. Give it a while then spec into things that are stable and appear to be working. Yes but that only rewards pure tank fits does it not?


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