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LittleCuteBunny
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
15
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Posted - 2013.05.13 17:27:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Something recently I mentioned in a CaLogi thread, but I think it's applicable in this thread's context. Sorry in advance if it sounds harsh to s specific group of our community, but I don't pull my punches: Cosgar wrote:M-E-T-A-G-A-M-E There isn't enough content implemented into the game yet to have a balanced meta game. Everything is intended to be the effective counter with specified advantages over the other like a big game of rock paper scissors. But there are some serious people with epeen issues that don't understand things like balance and want to be the absolute best at everything and cry nerf, even when it's against something that's supposed to be it's effective counter. (refer to Assault vs Heavy vs Scout vs Logistics) But, even at the game's infancy, CCP has willingly swung the nerf mjolnir and shattering balanced game mechanic after game mechanic because from our POV, they're catering to the lowest common denominator of our playerbase. (see HMG nerf and HAV ninja nerf) Once the scrambler rifle and flaylock get added to the fray tomorrow, all those CaLogi slayerbros are going to wish they didn't go for a tankier shield suit. They'll cry OP and nerf, but the truth of the matter is, it will be working as intended. This is going to be a delicate time in Dust 514 where the developers are going to have to let things play out and put an end to this nerf witch hunt once and for all. Outside of something that is game breaking on the level of the Viziam and light weapon sharpshooter, the nerf bat won't ever need to be swung and everything will be in our hands in how we fit our suits and vehicles to counter and exploit each others' weaknesses. This is a common thing for the MMORPG scene and the strictly FPS players are going to have to adapt or die... alot. After 5/14 there will be no more OP, or nerf. Dust 514 will be the sandbox it was intended to be and we'll be the ones kicking knocking eachothers' sand castles without adult supervision. When someone cries OP or nerf on these forms, the devs (and hopefully the smarter of us in the cummunity) will respond back with that old EVE Online saying: H-T-F-U!
CaLogis won't QQ, prototype medium frame is almost identical to prototype assault, well flaylock damage is greater against armor and all hings equal they should still be profficient.
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Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
94
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Posted - 2013.05.13 17:28:00 -
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^^^ (Smiling in case new ladies show up to forums) |
crazy space 1
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
1112
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Posted - 2013.05.13 17:28:00 -
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Doyle Reese wrote:Cosgar wrote:Something recently I mentioned in a CaLogi thread, but I think it's applicable in this thread's context. Sorry in advance if it sounds harsh to s specific group of our community, but I don't pull my punches: Cosgar wrote:M-E-T-A-G-A-M-E There isn't enough content implemented into the game yet to have a balanced meta game. Everything is intended to be the effective counter with specified advantages over the other like a big game of rock paper scissors. But there are some serious people with epeen issues that don't understand things like balance and want to be the absolute best at everything and cry nerf, even when it's against something that's supposed to be it's effective counter. (refer to Assault vs Heavy vs Scout vs Logistics) But, even at the game's infancy, CCP has willingly swung the nerf mjolnir and shattering balanced game mechanic after game mechanic because from our POV, they're catering to the lowest common denominator of our playerbase. (see HMG nerf and HAV ninja nerf) Once the scrambler rifle and flaylock get added to the fray tomorrow, all those CaLogi slayerbros are going to wish they didn't go for a tankier shield suit. They'll cry OP and nerf, but the truth of the matter is, it will be working as intended. This is going to be a delicate time in Dust 514 where the developers are going to have to let things play out and put an end to this nerf witch hunt once and for all. Outside of something that is game breaking on the level of the Viziam and light weapon sharpshooter, the nerf bat won't ever need to be swung and everything will be in our hands in how we fit our suits and vehicles to counter and exploit each others' weaknesses. This is a common thing for the MMORPG scene and the strictly FPS players are going to have to adapt or die... alot. After 5/14 there will be no more OP, or nerf. Dust 514 will be the sandbox it was intended to be and we'll be the ones kicking knocking eachothers' sand castles without adult supervision. When someone cries OP or nerf on these forms, the devs (and hopefully the smarter of us in the cummunity) will respond back with that old EVE Online saying: H-T-F-U! I never got what HTFU stands for :(
then click the link to the ccp trailer for it |
Grenadez Rollack
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
11
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Posted - 2013.05.13 17:29:00 -
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You can say people are crying about the game but some of it just doesn't make sense. What was wrong with chromosome? |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis League of Infamy
955
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Posted - 2013.05.13 17:32:00 -
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Launch day predictions?
Vets with massive SP, ISK, and experience advantages will QQ begging CCP to nerf whatever creative new fit the influx of new players create that might alter/threaten the current meta. #bittervetsneedtoHTFU
CCP, QQ is OP'ed, nerf QQ (at bear minimum it should have a per thread AUR cost). I am completely opposed to the P2W idea, but P2QQ seems like a reasonable idea |
Grenadez Rollack
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
11
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Posted - 2013.05.13 17:34:00 -
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They say the effective range of the hmg is 10 to 15 meters. What kind of gun is only effective at short range like that other than some shotguns. But as long as I get the chance to respec im not gonna use the hmg. Really you should just take the heavy out the game |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
842
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Posted - 2013.05.13 17:34:00 -
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xAckie wrote:your text has nothing to do with metagame
Quote:Metagaming is a broad term usually used to define any strategy, action or method used in a game which transcends a prescribed ruleset, uses external factors to affect the game, or goes beyond the supposed limits or environment set by the game. In other words, sometimes using out-of-game information to affect one's in-game decisions. -Webster's Dictionary Sounds about right to me. In most PVP oriented MMORPGS, the meta game has to do with the FotM cycle where players find a popular game mechanic and seemingly exploit it until another part of the community find a way to counter the previous FotM to take the helm as the new one. It's a seemingly endless cycle that occurs in balanced games. |
mollerz
s1ck3r Corp
244
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Posted - 2013.05.13 17:38:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:gbghg wrote:CCP SocksFour wrote:Several people at the office walk in with normal hair and walk out with either gray or no hair. >.< And I bet they manage to keep their shoes on don't they? The correct way to say this is "CCP FoxFour manages to take his shoes off." The rest of the people are stuck with their shoes on all day.
I highly suggest cutting over to five finger shoes. Solves your sock problem.
Then they can call you CCP FoxToes. Has a good ring to it, no? |
Olaf the Gutless
DUST University Ivy League
20
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Posted - 2013.05.13 17:39:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Several people at the office walk in with normal hair and walk out with either gray or no hair. >.<
A bit like politicians but alot more honorable I hope! |
Jayquan18
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
57
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Posted - 2013.05.13 17:41:00 -
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48 players I'm hoping. |
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4091
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Posted - 2013.05.13 17:41:00 -
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I am beginning to hate the mis-use of metagaming. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
847
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Posted - 2013.05.13 17:48:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I am beginning to hate the mis-use of metagaming. It's better than the nerf war meta game that's been raging on these forums for the past 2 years. Remember that thread where the closed betas wanted something to commemorate their efforts? They're the reason why Dust is so screwed up. |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
95
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Posted - 2013.05.13 17:50:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I am beginning to hate the mis-use of metagaming. It's better than the nerf war meta game that's been raging on these forums for the past 2 years. Remember that thread where the closed betas wanted something to commemorate their efforts? They're the reason why Dust is so screwed up.
LOL! I remember that. Damn, that felt like such a long time ago. |
Cpt Murd0ck
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
160
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Posted - 2013.05.13 17:56:00 -
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Grenadez Rollack wrote:They say the effective range of the hmg is 10 to 15 meters. What kind of gun is only effective at short range like that other than some shotguns. But as long as I get the chance to respec im not gonna use the hmg. Really you should just take the heavy out the game
The funniest thing about that (funny because I use nove knifes) is that the real world conterpart the mini gun (20,000 yrs in the past remeber) is effective close to 1000m LOL |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
249
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Posted - 2013.05.13 17:56:00 -
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Seems to me we can just declare anything that is boring, annoying, or likely to be taken as trolling "metagaming" so that word is obviously OP.
Quick, nerf it! No, I'm not joking or metagaming... |
Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1052
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Posted - 2013.05.13 18:01:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote: The correct way to say this is "CCP FoxFour manages to take his shoes off." The rest of the people are stuck with their shoes on all day.
Their socks skill is only leveled up to 3, where as yours is leveled up to.... That has to be so annoying hearing all the time lmao, I'll stop :p I can't speak for the rest though Shoe operation lvl V to take off the shoe at record speeds. Sock operation lvl V to have the most glorious looking socks ever. Sock Proficiency lvl V to have the most smelly socks ever. |
Cpt Murd0ck
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
162
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Posted - 2013.05.13 18:10:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote: The correct way to say this is "CCP FoxFour manages to take his shoes off." The rest of the people are stuck with their shoes on all day.
Their socks skill is only leveled up to 3, where as yours is leveled up to.... That has to be so annoying hearing all the time lmao, I'll stop :p I can't speak for the rest though Shoe operation lvl V to take off the shoe at record speeds. Sock operation lvl V to have the most glorious looking socks ever. Sock Proficiency lvl V to have the most smelly socks ever.
those skills take 7 yrs to train..you know that |
Raj Bhagwandas
Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance
7
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Posted - 2013.05.13 18:10:00 -
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IMHO:
This game is NOT ready for launch. Focus on actual GAMEPLAY, then all the in depth stuff. Fun Gameplay > Everything else. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
849
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Posted - 2013.05.13 18:14:00 -
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Raj Bhagwandas wrote:IMHO:
This game is NOT ready for launch. Focus on actual GAMEPLAY, then all the in depth stuff. Fun Gameplay > Everything else. But the game is fun... except for everyone running around with CaLogi going ham, heavies getting killed by HMGs, and every weapon that's not an AR being nerfed to novelty... but it's still... fun? |
Gregor stormwalker
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
11
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Posted - 2013.05.13 18:30:00 -
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After some deep Thought I have come up with 5142 players but we will have to wait for the ps4 to find out why this number |
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Richard Sebire
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2013.05.13 19:10:00 -
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Do we have to ask for a SP reset via email or in game? Still can't read that tiny square with the instructions in it, on the game start up screen. Just a Skill Point Reset... |
L0k1 St0rmbr1ng3r
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.05.13 19:17:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote: CCP, QQ is OP'ed, nerf QQ (at bear minimum it should have a per thread AUR cost). I am completely opposed to the P2W idea, but P2QQ seems like a reasonable idea
Yes Please... Do it... Do it NOW!
For the lolz
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Avinash Decker
BetaMax. CRONOS.
40
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Posted - 2013.05.13 19:18:00 -
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Arron Rift wrote:Well, Dust launches tomorrow (or even today, depending on where you live). What are your predictions on how things will go? -How will gamer-sites (ign, etc.) review this build now that the clock has run out on CCP's hotfixes? -How many new players will be joining us, and what will they think? -How many players will actually get involved with Planetary Conquest, and how many will sit it out (like me )? Discuss :)
I suspect gamers sites to give it some above average , but mostly average or below average scores . Although I think they'll be a large influx of new players mostly because its free, but I think they will be rather harsh of this game. Some new players will let it slide because its free. |
Hecarim Van Hohen
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
52
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Posted - 2013.05.13 19:20:00 -
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Scrambler Rifle gets labeled OP with Plasma Cannon and Flaylock Pistol, players will write 100+ forums posts ranging from cool headed calculations to more raging this and this is OP. This goes on for a while until something is done and people find a new topic to write about.
Gaming sites will give Dust514 a Average rating but there will be shockers amongst them both for good and for bad. |
Nstomper
The Sangheli
401
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Posted - 2013.05.13 19:29:00 -
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to be honest i dont expect the population to skyrocket tomorrow myabe months when we get new releases but honestly if ccp doesnt adopt the 2-3 month update thing instead of the 6-12 month updates then idk |
EnIgMa99
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
307
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Posted - 2013.05.13 20:19:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote: The correct way to say this is "CCP FoxFour manages to take his shoes off." The rest of the people are stuck with their shoes on all day.
Their socks skill is only leveled up to 3, where as yours is leveled up to.... That has to be so annoying hearing all the time lmao, I'll stop :p I can't speak for the rest though
cant level up socks they have an 8x multiplier on them |
BMSTUBBY
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
215
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Posted - 2013.05.13 20:52:00 -
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This CCP FoxFour shoe/sock a$$ kissing thing is getting real old and boring guys. Aren't your lips getting tired yet ?
Talk about OP needing a nerf. |
VulvaOfTheYeast
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2013.05.13 20:53:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Several people at the office walk in with normal hair and walk out with either gray or no hair. >.<
Don't forget the handing out of pink slips! It is inevitable. Shoeless, bald, unemployed...and in Iceland. Ick. Or are the Atlanteans the first on the chopping block again? |
Bubba Brown
Militaires Sans Jeux
49
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Posted - 2013.05.13 21:05:00 -
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"adapt or die" and "harden the **** up" do not mean what you think they mean
it's generally the same as saying "eve is very complex, and has a high learning curve because there are lots of little things going on and lots of nuance, and people want to kill you just to stave off their own boredom, you're in this crazyhouse now so pull up yer britches"
it does not mean "THE GAME IS PERFECT AND HAS NO FLAWS STOP COMPLAINING"
there's lots of problems, better to listen and counter instead of just giving a blanket response that makes you look like an idiot who only discovered eve through an eveopedia dive and a few drake blob videos set to dubstep |
R'adeh Hunt
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
12
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Posted - 2013.05.13 21:28:00 -
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For a company having a long term approach like CCP it won't matter all that much to be honest...they've proven with EVE over and over and over again that they're willing to listen to the player base and the game continually improved. That's why after 8-9 years I'm still paying monthly fees to them. How many WoW players still play after 9 years? My guess it won't be anywhere near as many.
The one thing I like about CCP is that they LISTEN to the player base...as opposed to EA for example. Quite a feat for such a small company.
Either way, thanks for creating another fun and challenging game CCP...happy you're willing to expand the universe you created :)
PS: Don't listen to the whiners CCP, if anything we should all be happy some whining kiddies complaining about a free game will probably leave soon given their short attention spans ;) |
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