So hear me out.

I went 9-1, I blew up 2 turret installations, took out 2 tanks, 4 LAVs, I supported my team at letters, we won the game and I got 175,456 ISK.

Oh yeah that's right I was in a Tank.

Tanks don't need to be buffed or nerfed the price tag needs to be dropped.

Who wants my stuff before I respec?

Ypu sir need to learn a little bit of economics, because your gameplay style is not sustainable financially.

Do what the EVE pilots do, dont use what you cant afford to lose

Sorry, but a big part of Dust is figuring out how to financially support your suits/vehicles. The problem is with Tanks and their ability to profit, not the price.

This sentiment is a little bit silly once you realize it's actually possible that dev's might not have balance correct all the time.
To throw that around as a counter to the argument that perhaps something is in need of changing is so abundant in ignorance I think you will shine through in the rest of this threat as the biggest [Had a fun word here, but it got removed :( ]

Starts with 'T'. Keep guessing I guess

You're paying for KDR, get over it.

So hear me out.

I went 9-1, I blew up 2 turret installations, took out 2 tanks, 4 LAVs, I supported my team at letters, we won the game and I got 175,456 ISK.

Oh yeah that's right I was in a Tank.

Tanks don't need to be buffed or nerfed the price tag needs to be dropped.

Who wants my stuff before I respec?

I say tanks get a massive OMGLOLLYPOP nerf, but make them cost as much as our suits.

You shouldn't be guaranteed near invincibility just because you paid a lot of ISK. I can run a super proto everything suit but still get taken down instantly by somebody in militia, but with proto tanks and proto mods, it takes several dedicated proto AV people to take the tank out (if they get lucky). My ISK investment is not guaranteed whatsoever with suits, but for some reason with tanks, it is. Definitely the EVE bias of vehicles no doubt.

Right now tanks are ridiculously OP... well, they always have been, but there is much less AV out there since specializing costs so much. And I seriously doubt there is that many people out there who said "I am going to sink all my millions of SP into an AV loadout, but when there is no vehicles to shoot at I will be utterly useless". Therefore tanks are running around with near impunity since very few players even have the ability to scratch their paint, let alone take them out.

I dont know which weed you are smoking but tanks havent beeing OP in chromosome and espacially not in this build. And what you expect? A tank is supposed to tank alot of damage. You must be one of those fools who think they can go and solo a tank on open field.

I say tanks get a massive OMGLOLLYPOP nerf, but make them cost as much as our suits.

You shouldn't be guaranteed near invincibility just because you paid a lot of ISK. I can run a super proto everything suit but still get taken down instantly by somebody in militia, but with proto tanks and proto mods, it takes several dedicated proto AV people to take the tank out (if they get lucky). My ISK investment is not guaranteed whatsoever with suits, but for some reason with tanks, it is. Definitely the EVE bias of vehicles no doubt.

Right now tanks are ridiculously OP... well, they always have been, but there is much less AV out there since specializing costs so much. And I seriously doubt there is that many people out there who said "I am going to sink all my millions of SP into an AV loadout, but when there is no vehicles to shoot at I will be utterly useless". Therefore tanks are running around with near impunity since very few players even have the ability to scratch their paint, let alone take them out.

You should just "re-call" the tank if it is near destruction

So hear me out.

I went 9-1, I blew up 2 turret installations, took out 2 tanks, 4 LAVs, I supported my team at letters, we won the game and I got 175,456 ISK.

Oh yeah that's right I was in a Tank.

Tanks don't need to be buffed or nerfed the price tag needs to be dropped.

Who wants my stuff before I respec?

Ypu sir need to learn a little bit of economics, because your gameplay style is not sustainable financially.

not really about gameplay style tbh
its that ppl in this community ***** about tanks that sit on hills and dont support but when u see the few tankers that do support and they lose ONE fit they already in the red.
To make money most tankers , especially if they arent in top corps with top infantry to support them will play gay as **** to survive and not lose a fit

I say tanks get a massive OMGLOLLYPOP nerf, but make them cost as much as our suits.

You shouldn't be guaranteed near invincibility just because you paid a lot of ISK. I can run a super proto everything suit but still get taken down instantly by somebody in militia, but with proto tanks and proto mods, it takes several dedicated proto AV people to take the tank out (if they get lucky). My ISK investment is not guaranteed whatsoever with suits, but for some reason with tanks, it is. Definitely the EVE bias of vehicles no doubt.

Right now tanks are ridiculously OP... well, they always have been, but there is much less AV out there since specializing costs so much. And I seriously doubt there is that many people out there who said "I am going to sink all my millions of SP into an AV loadout, but when there is no vehicles to shoot at I will be utterly useless". Therefore tanks are running around with near impunity since very few players even have the ability to scratch their paint, let alone take them out.

I say tanks get a massive OMGLOLLYPOP nerf, but make them cost as much as our suits.

You shouldn't be guaranteed near invincibility just because you paid a lot of ISK. I can run a super proto everything suit but still get taken down instantly by somebody in militia, but with proto tanks and proto mods, it takes several dedicated proto AV people to take the tank out (if they get lucky). My ISK investment is not guaranteed whatsoever with suits, but for some reason with tanks, it is. Definitely the EVE bias of vehicles no doubt.

Right now tanks are ridiculously OP... well, they always have been, but there is much less AV out there since specializing costs so much. And I seriously doubt there is that many people out there who said "I am going to sink all my millions of SP into an AV loadout, but when there is no vehicles to shoot at I will be utterly useless". Therefore tanks are running around with near impunity since very few players even have the ability to scratch their paint, let alone take them out.

That's because outside of forge snipers nobody has enough SP to spec into AV anymore. Give it another month and try that again.

Lol it's because of your logic in Chromosome STB and Imps had no qualms about calling in 3 tanks into ambush pubs on Mannus Peak (the small map iirc the name) without a shade of remorse. What you are saying is that becausee you got a stash of ISK that you are willing to spend on a tank it's ok for you to call in a tank in 16 vs 16 game and have a full squad of dedicated AV red dots dealing with you only sitting safely in your tank. You gotta choose: either tanks are poweful but super expensive so that they are not ISK- efficient OR they are affordable but are easy to destroy. You cant have both - you cant pay 1 mil isk and buy your way to roll 10 straight games of 15/0 not losing your tank.

Exactly. All you tankers are whining and complaining about your tanks actually being killable, but in Chromosome they were pubstomp machines. Yes, against AV they died. Dedicated AV, or multiple people running AV, both of which takes people off of the other team to try and deal with the tank. If it takes more than one dedicated AV person to deal with a tank, tanks are not balanced. Because if that's the case and someone drops in a tank, it takes at least two people off of the opposing team to deal with it, and if they don't they get massacred. The only 1v1 counter at that point is another tank.

Complaining that you die to weapons specifically designed to counter you is stupid. If you have good infantry, you can kill them easily. A swarm launcher is not effective against infantry. Neither is a forge gun, despite the odd person getting hit in the face by one. AV grenades let infantry fight as well as run AV, but it still disadvantages them because they can't use locus or flux grenades. And a single person with AV grenades won't kill you.
If I use flux grenades and a scrambler rifle on a Caldari logi, of course he's going to get wrecked, barring stupidity or lack of skill.

Well, like it or not a tank isn't just some cheap throwaway biomass in tinfoil like a drop suit - it's going to cost extra.

This really isn't about tanks. This is about the lack of reward relative to your in game performance.

This really isn't about tanks. This is about the lack of reward relative to your in game performance.

It kills me that I can perform go 10:1 in a match, and get 200k isk, but someone who didn't kill or heal anybody at all gets 150k isk.

I think ISK rewards should be based on the amount of ISK you destroyed in the game, and for the logibros ISK saved (revives are easy, rewards for healing get a little more complicated).

Or maybe buff the ISK rewards in general based on war points?

Something should be done. An MVP shouldn't be earning marginally more than a bench warmer.

So hear me out.

I went 9-1, I blew up 2 turret installations, took out 2 tanks, 4 LAVs, I supported my team at letters, we won the game and I got 175,456 ISK.

Oh yeah that's right I was in a Tank.

Tanks don't need to be buffed or nerfed the price tag needs to be dropped.

Who wants my stuff before I respec?

not really about gameplay style tbh
its that ppl in this community ***** about tanks that sit on hills and dont support but when u see the few tankers that do support and they lose ONE fit they already in the red.
To make money most tankers , especially if they arent in top corps with top infantry to support them will play gay as **** to survive and not lose a fit

Ding, ding, ding.

We have a winner here.

Thanks for reading and understanding.

I have skilled fully into a play style that CCP clearly want to see fail, for what reason I have no idea.

I hate comparing this game to others but how can BF3 balance Jets, Tanks, and Jeeps so well yet CCP seems to be struggling with it?

Yeah I get it, " Risk Reward " blah, blah, blah!

I clearly risked everything, did decent in the game yet got punished for doing well.

CCP wants us to keep playing, LOL.
Yeah right.

Right now the only winners are those who risk very little and get rewarded the same if not more than everyone else.

People then question why people AFK farm in the MCC, PFF!

Either way, we're getting better tank stuff soon according to Blam (who surprisingly still has a job).

So hear me out.

I went 9-1, I blew up 2 turret installations, took out 2 tanks, 4 LAVs, I supported my team at letters, we won the game and I got 175,456 ISK.

Oh yeah that's right I was in a Tank.

Tanks don't need to be buffed or nerfed the price tag needs to be dropped.

Who wants my stuff before I respec?

Buy a cheaper tank....and spend more SP on tanks.

SP IS KING not gear...vehicles are no different.

So hear me out.

I went 9-1, I blew up 2 turret installations, took out 2 tanks, 4 LAVs, I supported my team at letters, we won the game and I got 175,456 ISK.

Oh yeah that's right I was in a Tank.

Tanks don't need to be buffed or nerfed the price tag needs to be dropped.

Who wants my stuff before I respec?

So hear me out.

I went 9-1, I blew up 2 turret installations, took out 2 tanks, 4 LAVs, I supported my team at letters, we won the game and I got 175,456 ISK.

Oh yeah that's right I was in a Tank.

Tanks don't need to be buffed or nerfed the price tag needs to be dropped.

Who wants my stuff before I respec?

I went 18/0 in my Saga fit

I have 8 million SP into tanks and yes I have cheap ones but they do not survive at all with all the free advanced AV that is out there.

They are nerfing AV and Buffing vehicles tomorrow, again so we will see.

At this point I am just chocking this up as a lesson learned and will not be respecing into vehicles, ever!

TAC AR 514 it is for me.

Still no one wants my stuff, hummmm?

Rule 1 Never park!!
Rule 2 If you hear a bang then refer to rule 1

You must have missed a page of this TL;DR thread.

Rule 1 is "Always recall" !

I saw your tactics.(slow driving..tsk.tsk.tsk)
None of your infantry were using active scanners.

Is that a Tech Ohm Eaven hiding behind that wall??
Nah!! must of been the wind.

A few DR. Lay Flats and your tank and others like it go boom.

Yeah my tank does seem to be very slow, I am working on that.

Get that buddy with active scanner ASAP!!
Even a slow moving tank has better survivability with a scanner buddy.

Slow moving tank and no scanner??
Sorry but AV death is looking at that tank and looking for a place to happen.

All great advice and thanks but not going to matter much when I respec out of tanks.

Scammbler assault??

So hear me out.

I went 9-1, I blew up 2 turret installations, took out 2 tanks, 4 LAVs, I supported my team at letters, we won the game and I got 175,456 ISK.

Oh yeah that's right I was in a Tank.

Tanks don't need to be buffed or nerfed the price tag needs to be dropped.

Who wants my stuff before I respec?

Ever time I call in a tank I just drive it over the red line for praticality.