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Icy Xenosmilus
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
208
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Posted - 2013.05.12 22:26:00 -
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We've spent ~8 months in the beta apparently "testing core features" of the game. Testing weapons, giving feedback, testing more, and predicting what might need to be adjusted.
Only to have it all shafted over for nothing.
CCP, you may not want to admit it, but the ranges on weapons (all of them) are completely broken.
We spent months in Chromosome, adapting and having things adjusted, and then, instead of a couple of balance options, CCP, as with every build, takes things into their own hands, disregards all feedback and ***** it up.
Here's a tip CCP, YOUR NUMBERS AND CHARTS ARE BROKEN.
All of your stats are influenced by skilled players PUBSTOMPING unskilled players.
That is the reason you're breaking your game apart.
You said in one topic "We're pretty sure we want to keep ranges like this", well guess what, you've destroyed any flow this game had, any semblance of balance, and pretty much killed the core game play issues hat you were working on for the past 2 years.
AND RELEASE IS IN TWO ********* DAYS!
NOW YOU'RE RUSHING OUT MASSIVE CHANGES (Vehicle buffs, random 10% DMG increase when we needed RANGE) and pretty much winging it to increase numbers before release. |
Free Beers
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1467
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Posted - 2013.05.12 22:34:00 -
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ccp needs to fire some devs thats the only solution. It made a difference after the failure that was Incarna and should be repeated here. I think first man on that list is ccp wolfman for he shear stupidity in game balancing. |
Wowbagger-The-Infinitly Prolonged
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
1
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Posted - 2013.05.12 22:41:00 -
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Guys, there is a natural balance to these things, CCP wants to make money, so they will do what it takes to get more players and keep them happy. you make it sound like CCP is trying to annoy you, when everyone kind of wants the same thing here. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
1553
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Posted - 2013.05.12 22:41:00 -
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SS was breaking the game and everyone knew it, AR's were out ranging lasers, and the range CQ weapons were getting were ********. Besides nothing in the lore would account for a skill magically increasing how far your bullets travel. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
294
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Posted - 2013.05.12 23:02:00 -
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gbghg wrote:SS was breaking the game and everyone knew it, AR's were out ranging lasers, and the range CQ weapons were getting were ********. Besides nothing in the lore would account for a skill magically increasing how far your bullets travel. This is definitely true. However, some of the other 'balancing' is dubious at best, and completely stupid at worst. The mass driver is no longer viable compared to an AR, the same goes for the laser. Those were both previously fine weapons, and the viziam damage nerf would have solved the laser problems. The nerf to the HMG, luckily reversed, was completely stupid. The massive buff to the TAR puts it where it was before but better. Armour tanking on dropsuits didn't receive any love.
The best example here, I think, is the mass driver. The mass driver was nerfed massively because, according to CCP Remnant, a large proportion of people in the office were using them. Yet according to player feedback, there wasn't much of an issue - if anything, they needed to be more effective against the super proto shield tanks that were being used. |
CASHERN X2
DIOS EX. Gentlemen's Agreement
11
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Posted - 2013.05.12 23:09:00 -
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lol yeah CCP's screwing up. |
Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
57
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Posted - 2013.05.12 23:11:00 -
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gbghg wrote:SS was breaking the game and everyone knew it, AR's were out ranging lasers
Did i miss something or were laser users not also able to skill up SS in order to get the range advantage back? |
Icy Xenosmilus
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
218
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Posted - 2013.05.12 23:13:00 -
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gbghg wrote:SS was breaking the game and everyone knew it, AR's were out ranging lasers, and the range CQ weapons were getting were ********. Besides nothing in the lore would account for a skill magically increasing how far your bullets travel. I know SS was broken. But I never used it on AR's and there range is completely broken. But **** AR's look how bad the other weapons are. |
Goon ReGnUM
Goonfeet
32
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Posted - 2013.05.12 23:15:00 -
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After becoming one with the Great Waffle my words have lost all meaining
... I shall continue in Verse:
Nothing:
Crushed like ice Like twenty tons have been thrown on my soul You spoke those words that emitted through your vocal cords like venom A snake you were Looking through my eyes into my core So delicately You devised your plan, to kill everything inside me Skillfully you weaved your web, planted your trap And with your love decoy blindfolded my logic All which was open was my trust Your weapon You deceived, I believed Your arms were so warm, Now the only warmth I feel Is that of my blood Spilling from my soul As my life swings carelessly Like a pendulum Back and forth Higher and higher But going nowhere The 5 senses have gone numb I scream louder and louder But no one hears me They speak they call out to help I cannot hear Look at me look at the nothingness you have brought onto me The well hath run dry As she lay Crippled from loves fangs Until nothing remains But her backbone He hath eternally forsaken her Her life has become Life's lesson to women Better to have Loved Then never at all.
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DigiOps
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
220
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Posted - 2013.05.12 23:17:00 -
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Goon ReGnUM wrote:trimmed How many alts do you have? |
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Panther Alpha
WarRavens Orion Empire
183
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Posted - 2013.05.12 23:29:00 -
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The balance was fine, before CCP readed the feedback in the forums and decided to break the game, to keep the QQers happy and quiet before the release.
We are in this situation right now, because you could not give this new build a chance, you couldn't wait FEW days, and try to learn the new game mechanics. You wanted things to be how they where before, and cried like little baby's to you got what you wanted.
Stop trying to make it sound like is CCP fault.... we all know who are the ones that forced this situation. |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die
345
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Posted - 2013.05.12 23:30:00 -
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No.
I'm sure CCP got a good laugh out of it.... |
IRuby Heart
DIOS EX. Gentlemen's Agreement
694
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Posted - 2013.05.12 23:33:00 -
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Goon ReGnUM wrote:After becoming one with the Great Waffle my words have lost all meaining
... I shall continue in Verse:
Nothing:
Crushed like ice Like twenty tons have been thrown on my soul You spoke those words that emitted through your vocal cords like venom A snake you were Looking through my eyes into my core So delicately You devised your plan, to kill everything inside me Skillfully you weaved your web, planted your trap And with your love decoy blindfolded my logic All which was open was my trust Your weapon You deceived, I believed Your arms were so warm, Now the only warmth I feel Is that of my blood Spilling from my soul As my life swings carelessly Like a pendulum Back and forth Higher and higher But going nowhere The 5 senses have gone numb I scream louder and louder But no one hears me They speak they call out to help I cannot hear Look at me look at the nothingness you have brought onto me The well hath run dry As she lay Crippled from loves fangs Until nothing remains But her backbone He hath eternally forsaken her Her life has become Life's lesson to women Better to have Loved Then never at all.
hmmm.... 6/10
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Doctor Nihk
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
18
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Posted - 2013.05.12 23:47:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:The balance was fine, before CCP readed the feedback in the forums and decided to break the game, to keep the QQers happy and quiet before the release.
We are in this situation right now, because you could not give this new build a chance, you couldn't wait FEW days, and try to learn the new game mechanics. You wanted things to be how they where before, and cried like little baby's to you got what you wanted.
Stop trying to make it sound like is CCP fault.... we all know who are the ones that forced this situation.
Actually... It kinda IS there fault for not running their own game. Balancing it properly, which takes time, and standing by those changes. They listen to the MAJORITY of people who are frankly.. Noobs who post crys for nerfs to items when they dont even understand the game. There was a sense of balance in chromo.. Small things needed tweaking.. Laser damage.. Tank and AV levels.. But it was small things. The game was ENJOYABLE and diverse.. Every weapon felt useful and unique. Now here we are again.. 2 days before final release.. With a broken game. What will he the flavor of the month after the tac gets nerfed? The scrambler? Then well all go to that weapon.. Then well QQ forums.. Then its off to the next OP'd gun right guys? Sorry bud but this situation is VERY much their fault.. For rushing out a garbage unbalance untested build. Its their job to balance these things. Not us! Have these guys (CCP) ever played their game? It took me 2 games and reading item stats to see caldari logi is broken.. how can you MISS it. Its simple numbers. 2 DAYS TO RELEASE GUYS AND WE STILL CAN'T FIX THE TERRAIN! But lets add more items that are likely NOT balanced and OP'd. Walk before you run CCP. Yes sir. Im so rry i love this game.. But it IS there fault. Lol
Fix whats wrong and BALANCE exsisting things BEFORE adding a **** ton of broken items.. Comon sense is sometimes not all that common i guess.. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
1555
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Posted - 2013.05.12 23:53:00 -
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Happy Violentime wrote:gbghg wrote:SS was breaking the game and everyone knew it, AR's were out ranging lasers Did i miss something or were laser users not also able to skill up SS in order to get the range advantage back? Which was the whole problem, if an AR(which is classified as a short to medium range weapon) user had a higher level than a LR(which is classified as a medium to long range weapon) user, he could shoot further. The skill was broken at a fundamental level, it just helped reinforce the AR as a be-all weapon. And yes they messed up the MD badly, my main complaint is the tiny splash radius. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
186
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Posted - 2013.05.13 00:00:00 -
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Chromosome was garbage build for COD kids with ADHD who got used to the 'AR win button' so that they can pub stomp and pet their pride that they had 'gun game'. Eveyone else in chromosome adjusted not because of its balance but despite the lack of it.
In uprising I was surprised how CCP all of a sudden decided just to change EVERYTHING in a seemingly random directions. But after having played a few games I actually like it. The classes are more balanced. The 'win button AR' now is still as deadly but much harder to aim and actually takes skill to use. The maps are more diverse featuring multiple wide open areas for trenching and vehicle play and closed indoors areas for CQC.
Are there things still broken - sure there are: HMG and MD were broken. But CCP admited it and is working on fixing what's broken. So overall this build is good. Ppl who are leaving are 16 yo boys who are used to the 'I am a leet AR slayer' spoonfed game play.
The only place where CCP went wrong is their lack of communication. Ppl were stuck in a beta for 1.5 years and instead of having a dialogue with devs were consistently ignored. When Uprising was rolled out w/o any explanation for why things were changed instead of the typical CCP style of 'we made a AAA game - you are gonna be blown away by improvements' comments - yeah it was a last drop that tipped ppl in an uncontrolled rage.
If you look at Uprising objectively - it's a good build. The only mistakes by CCP were 1) lack of communication about why the changes were made. 3) Slow reaction to community's questions. and 3) some glitches such as HMG and MD not working as intended. |
KalOfTheRathi
Talon Strike Force LTD Orion Empire
447
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Posted - 2013.05.13 00:03:00 -
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Just consider it a lesson in LULZ. |
Full Metal Kitten
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
258
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Posted - 2013.05.13 00:09:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:What you said +1 |
Doctor Nihk
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
19
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Posted - 2013.05.13 00:10:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:Chromosome was garbage build for COD kids with ADHD who got used to the 'AR win button' so that they can pub stomp and pet their pride that they had 'gun game'. Eveyone else in chromosome adjusted not because of its balance but despite the lack of it.
In uprising I was surprised how CCP all of a sudden decided just to change EVERYTHING in a seemingly random directions. But after having played a few games I actually like it. The classes are more balanced. The 'win button AR' now is still as deadly but much harder to aim and actually takes skill to use. The maps are more diverse featuring multiple wide open areas for trenching and vehicle play and closed indoors areas for CQC.
Are there things still broken - sure there are: HMG and MD were broken. But CCP admited it and is working on fixing what's broken. So overall this build is good. Ppl who are leaving are 16 yo boys who are used to the 'I am a leet AR slayer' spoonfed game play.
The only place where CCP went wrong is their lack of communication. Ppl were stuck in a beta for 1.5 years and instead of having a dialogue with devs were consistently ignored. When Uprising was rolled out w/o any explanation for why things were changed instead of the typical CCP style of 'we made a AAA game - you are gonna be blown away by improvements' comments - yeah it was a last drop that tipped ppl in an uncontrolled rage.
If you look at Uprising objectively - it's a good build. The only mistakes by CCP were 1) lack of communication about why the changes were made. 3) Slow reaction to community's questions. and 3) some glitches such as HMG and MD not working as intended.
Its funny how i loved chromo and never used an AR once. Its also funny how many TAC AR users there are now.. Your entitled to your opnion and i respectfully disagree.. If your really so against ARs i cant help but wonder what game you downloaded on may 6th.. |
Boomer Dues Mortis
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
96
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Posted - 2013.05.13 00:25:00 -
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I would gladly take the last build back, I was having a lot of fun. Lasers and AR's shot very far and caused me a lot deaths, but the game seemed to work properly. Aiming was not broken and the guns all felt different. I just do not see why ccp would go and change everything a week before the game goes live. Atm the game is full of Tac AR which completely destroy my easy to hit heavy. You know something is wrong when it is easier to kill heavies than assaults and scouts. |
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
188
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Posted - 2013.05.13 00:40:00 -
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Doctor Nihk wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:Chromosome was garbage build for COD kids with ADHD who got used to the 'AR win button' so that they can pub stomp and pet their pride that they had 'gun game'. Eveyone else in chromosome adjusted not because of its balance but despite the lack of it.
In uprising I was surprised how CCP all of a sudden decided just to change EVERYTHING in a seemingly random directions. But after having played a few games I actually like it. The classes are more balanced. The 'win button AR' now is still as deadly but much harder to aim and actually takes skill to use. The maps are more diverse featuring multiple wide open areas for trenching and vehicle play and closed indoors areas for CQC.
Are there things still broken - sure there are: HMG and MD were broken. But CCP admited it and is working on fixing what's broken. So overall this build is good. Ppl who are leaving are 16 yo boys who are used to the 'I am a leet AR slayer' spoonfed game play.
The only place where CCP went wrong is their lack of communication. Ppl were stuck in a beta for 1.5 years and instead of having a dialogue with devs were consistently ignored. When Uprising was rolled out w/o any explanation for why things were changed instead of the typical CCP style of 'we made a AAA game - you are gonna be blown away by improvements' comments - yeah it was a last drop that tipped ppl in an uncontrolled rage.
If you look at Uprising objectively - it's a good build. The only mistakes by CCP were 1) lack of communication about why the changes were made. 3) Slow reaction to community's questions. and 3) some glitches such as HMG and MD not working as intended. Its funny how i loved chromo and never used an AR once. Its also funny how many TAC AR users there are now.. Your entitled to your opnion and i respectfully disagree.. If your really so against ARs i cant help but wonder what game you downloaded on may 6th..
what weapon do u play with? |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
188
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Posted - 2013.05.13 00:47:00 -
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Boomer Dues Mortis wrote:I would gladly take the last build back, I was having a lot of fun. Lasers and AR's shot very far and caused me a lot deaths, but the game seemed to work properly. Aiming was not broken and the guns all felt different. I just do not see why ccp would go and change everything a week before the game goes live. Atm the game is full of Tac AR which completely destroy my easy to hit heavy. You know something is wrong when it is easier to kill heavies than assaults and scouts.
I think what you guys dwell on is nerf to HMG and MD. CCP is working on those and hopefully will fix them. Beyond that there are no glaring problems with uprising. Also they gotta put hard ceiling on TAC AR ROF. these problems are easy to fix. Otherwise uprising is a step in the right direction compared to chromosome. |
BASSMEANT
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
220
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Posted - 2013.05.13 00:49:00 -
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"SS was breaking the game and everyone knew it"
it was the codbois who were gettnig beaten up on with their protoad gear by the militia ar rifle.
now they managed to remove medium range gun game.
it's cod now.
only codbois would claim otherwise.
Peace B |
Doctor Nihk
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
21
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Posted - 2013.05.13 00:58:00 -
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BASSMEANT wrote:"SS was breaking the game and everyone knew it"
it was the codbois who were gettnig beaten up on with their protoad gear by the militia ar rifle.
now they managed to remove medium range gun game.
it's cod now.
only codbois would claim otherwise.
Peace B
This. Lol so this... |
Dis Cord
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
114
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Posted - 2013.05.13 01:00:00 -
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OP has it right.
I've posted about this in Feedback/Requests. This is the primary problem with weapon balancing right now.
The problem is that we're talking about ranges at all. This should be 20m more, this 10m less.
Let's say I have a standard assault rifle, and I want to shoot someone 100m away. What factors will effect my accuracy and killing ability?
Let's leave out optics altogether so this isn't muddled. Assume standard sight (iron).
Power - How fast is the round travelling and with what mass. ROF - What is the fastest rate of fire. Handling (Kick) - How far does the weapon travel following round discharge.
Is there ANY question whatsoever that a round is going to reach the target 100m away? Is there ANY question whatsoever that one of those rounds hitting you at 100m is just as lethal as it was at 5ft? What about 300m?
What if I switch to full auto and let loose? How many of those rounds are going to hit the target? Well that depends on my ability to aim, control the kick, and the ROF. Not on voodoo physics. I can guarantee you that none of the rounds will disappear, and none will arrive with 30% of their initial power (within ALL standard engagement ranges). This is how weapons should be balanced: By player aim despite weapon drawbacks.
All of these completely unrealistic ranges have caused CCP (and indeed myself for a while) to have to think about balancing in novel ways: Add more damage, make the RBS (another symptom of bad balancing) more/less, and even "This HMG shouldn't be able to kill anyone 50m away." ALL of this whack-a-mole attempt at balancing is a direct result of re-writing the rules of how physics and firearms work. |
Doctor Nihk
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
21
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Posted - 2013.05.13 01:00:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:Boomer Dues Mortis wrote:I would gladly take the last build back, I was having a lot of fun. Lasers and AR's shot very far and caused me a lot deaths, but the game seemed to work properly. Aiming was not broken and the guns all felt different. I just do not see why ccp would go and change everything a week before the game goes live. Atm the game is full of Tac AR which completely destroy my easy to hit heavy. You know something is wrong when it is easier to kill heavies than assaults and scouts. I think what you guys dwell on is nerf to HMG and MD. CCP is working on those and hopefully will fix them. Beyond that there are no glaring problems with uprising. Also they gotta put hard ceiling on TAC AR ROF. these problems are easy to fix. Otherwise uprising is a step in the right direction compared to chromosome.
Lets just agree to disagree friend. I dont use a MD though.. Try again. |
fred orpaul
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
271
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Posted - 2013.05.13 01:31:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:ccp needs to fire some devs thats the only solution. It made a difference after the failure that was Incarna and should be repeated here. I think first man on that list is ccp wolfman for his shear stupidity in game balancing.
ARE YOU ******* ********?!!!! You want to support a company that resorts to firing because you are unhappy as a customer about an product that is being actively worked on? you self righteous self entitled prick! just.... gah you make me sick, you want that guy moved to another position, fine what ever, but **** it would be nothing but symbolic any ways the direction ccp has taken as a whole is suboptimal and wolfman is really only playing into the direction that dust is being pushed in. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1487
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Posted - 2013.05.13 01:33:00 -
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Icy Xenosmilus wrote:We've spent ~8 months in the beta apparently "testing core features" of the game. Testing weapons, giving feedback, testing more, and predicting what might need to be adjusted.
Only to have it all shafted over for nothing.
CCP, you may not want to admit it, but the ranges on weapons (all of them) are completely broken.
We spent months in Chromosome, adapting and having things adjusted, and then, instead of a couple of balance options, CCP, as with every build, takes things into their own hands, disregards all feedback and ***** it up.
Here's a tip CCP, YOUR NUMBERS AND CHARTS ARE BROKEN.
All of your stats are influenced by skilled players PUBSTOMPING unskilled players.
That is the reason you're breaking your game apart.
You said in one topic "We're pretty sure we want to keep ranges like this", well guess what, you've destroyed any flow this game had, any semblance of balance, and pretty much killed the core game play issues hat you were working on for the past 2 years.
AND RELEASE IS IN TWO ********* DAYS!
NOW YOU'RE RUSHING OUT MASSIVE CHANGES (Vehicle buffs, random 10% DMG increase when we needed RANGE) and pretty much winging it to increase numbers before release. Not admitting ranges are broken?
The made a ******* sticky post about it less than 10 posts above where this one is now, and even closer to where it will be after I've posted. CmdrWang already said they're working on "absolute" ranges for each weapon that will allow them to do damage at a penalty out to even extreme ranges.
Stop. |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2013.05.13 02:45:00 -
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That 10% bUff to all weapons was justifiable from eveyone having weaponary maxed easily being so cheap(1X) |
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CCP Frame
C C P C C P Alliance
852
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Posted - 2013.05.13 02:55:00 -
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Thread moved to Feedback section, renamed to reflect the topic more clearly. Thank you for your feedback so far, guys. |
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