This weapon is devistating. High damage, nice rate of fire, and nice clip size. Oh and did I mention its range?

This weapon won't last long the way it is, especially when it can shoot full auto... mod'd controller guys

This weapon is devistating. High damage, nice rate of fire, and nice clip size. Oh and did I mention its range?

This weapon won't last long the way it is, especially when it can shoot full auto... mod'd controller guys

Uprising was a failure. Stop trying to nerf everything it cannot create balance.

The obvious solution is to make the tac automatic and give all the ARs 500 meter ranges as well as the HMG.

Lasers should be fixed as well.

I should also point out how idiotic balance is in a game with orbital strikes, where people with only 500k Sp are fighting people with 8 million SP, and getting run over by a jeep is an instant kill regardless of what class you are.

Just get gud. Whaa the TAC AR is OP, whats next the Logi suit is OP too


Try the others are just not up to snuff.

Just get gud. Whaa the TAC AR is OP, whats next the Logi suit is OP too


Try the others are just not up to snuff.

Just get gud. Whaa the TAC AR is OP, whats next the Logi suit is OP too


Try the others are just not up to snuff.

Have you been reading the forums? its ripe with logi nerf.

the other weapons all got nerfed and to try to make up for it they bump all weapon damage by 10% and an extra 10% to HMGs (needed).

Its just sad that they uprising is making this game worse.

I have no issues taking down any suit, go ahead sack those shield extenders its not going help you against my nova knife (1 hits proto heavies), if you want to play the shooting game my SMG's will tear you to shreds.

either way, the TAC AR is sticking out like a sore thumb in this build, just watch it will get nerfed. (i don't want the damage nerfed but the ROF has to go. It shouldn't be able to fire faster than my SMG's)

Welcome to New Eden.

Adapt or Die.

Are you dense, the point is the logi suit isnt OP and all these threads cropping up just shows how clueless so much of this player base is with regard to gameplay damage.

Plenty of feedback has been given to support my claims about Logis so much so that people finally clued in that the role bonuses needed tweeking on the CALDARI Logi, and the assualt suits needed buffs.


With regards to the TAC AR its perfectly fine as is. Problem is the other weapons have become completely unreliable so it makes the TAC AR stick out like a sore thumb.

I wont even touch the modded controller bait, anyone thinking that its cause of modded controllers simply need to get a grip, this weapon isnt like little league sports(everyone gets a trophy for participation). Some ppl are just better with the weapon. Get over it.

With regards to the TAC AR its perfectly fine as is. Problem is the other weapons have become completely unreliable so it makes the TAC AR stick out like a sore thumb.

I wont even touch the modded controller bait, anyone thinking that its cause of modded controllers simply need to get a grip, this weapon isnt like little league sports(everyone gets a trophy for participation). Some ppl are just better with the weapon. Get over it.

Don't take the AR players last crutch away, they might actually have to play with "balanced weapons"

So, by your assertion, we should all use modded controllers?

[quote=Keyser Soze VerbalKint][quote=Bad Heal] It shouldn't be able to fire faster than my SMG's)

Getting good has nothing to do with how stupidly OP a gun is

80 dmg with a ROF that's fast enough any modded controller or mouse scroll wheel can take advantage of. The recoil is not enough either for the ROF.

Logis aren't OP, just the Caldari. 5 high 4 low and 3 equipment???!!!! hahahaha...yeeeeaaaah that's not OP, that's fine right?

A logi suit being a slayer's best option is certainly not an OP suit... .. the mere fact that a logi suit can be so much superior to an assault shows CCP needs to rebalance.

The slot layout is fine, the +25% to Shield extenders is the part that makes it over powered.

All that said, Assault Suits in my opinion are generally underpowered...

Don't take the AR players last crutch away, they might actually have to play with "balanced weapons"

I am an AR user and I 100% agree. Its sad really that SOME of my fellow AR users are only out to exploit what ever they can. It doesn't matter what it is really, these same players will "cheat" no matter what any one says as they are unable to compete otherwise. There is no way to combat this as you can not control what other people do. The only thing to be done is come up with your own personal strategy to deal with it. And maybe suggest to CCP banning accounts and deleting characters If viable proof can be found that a said player is using a mod controller, or a lag switch for that matter. I am a capital punishment kind of person and these are just my opinions.

Ive actually tried it with my Eagle Eye controller that has a Turbo function on it while finding a solution to KB/M aim issues and i found that i can kill people much faster without auto-firing this weapon. My 95 rpm finger works much better.

Unless you actually tried auto-firing it, you have no idea about how ape that recoil gets...

How could a logi suit be a more viable suit than an assault??? That's not OP?

So your idea to balance this is to give the assault players 6 high 5 low...cuz assault suits are UP.

As a TAR user myself, I think the rate of fire is ridiculous. I don't use a modded controller, but why on earth is the weapon capable of firing faster than a fully automatic?
I don't think the range or damage should be changed - they define its role. But when it also fires faster than the 'rapid fire' fully automatic weapons something is wrong, and it is eclipsing the role of other weapons.

Any half decent player that's been playing FPS a while knows how to burst fire to control recoil. Not rocket science.

And that RIGHT there is the problem. A semi auto rifle capable of being fired faster than a fully auto.

People who defend this...just lol

And at 8 rounds per half a second, after your first 2 rounds, you are hitting air...its sad that its gonna get nerfed because of people using or people thinking people are using Turbo buttons on it.

But i am waiting on the Scrambler Charge rifle semi auto version to 2 shot people at a 1.5s interval anyways, i am crap with burst fire weapons.

Nope. If you played games like lolBF3 you'll know how to control recoil with your right stick while firing.

It's sad that it's gonna get nerfed? Not sure if serious

Its ROF is FASTER THAN A FULLY AUTO ASSAULT RIFLE.

How is that even remotely "balanced" when it does 80 dmg lol

I understand people like using crutch weapons, but geez! At least admit that it shouldn't be able to fire that fast.

ALSO has it come onto anyone's mind that if you can program a modded controllers rapid fire at just the right rate, it'll negate the harsh recoil you get when you hold down the fire button on an automatic. inb4 "o sh** gek and duvolle op again!"

Don't think that many people use modded controllers for Tac's as this community accuses. Their just mad at the OP damage combined with quick trigger fingers, but its probably more about the op damage since reducing the RoF to 180 RPM (3 taps per second) probably wouldn't matter to the average user.

ALSO has it come onto anyone's mind that if you can program a modded controllers rapid fire at just the right rate, it'll negate the harsh recoil you get when you hold down the fire button on an automatic. inb4 "o sh** gek and duvolle op again!"

Duvolle and GEK has recoil?

I dont play with a controller so i wouldnt know how to control recoil with a stick....

I remember in APB R when they put in a low set of RPM for semi auto weapons, they started ghost firing because some people could produce allot of clicks fast and a semi shoots as fast as you can trigger it.

But there is pretty much noone that can actually squeeze 975 clicks in a minute out of his finger, they can easely check for turbo controllers if its pressing at a constant rate all the time at max velocity they could jam the gun after 4-6 shots.

I am not defending the gun, but you make it sound like we are all shooting 975 rounds a minute with it, witch means every 1.8 seconds we need to reload ....

My play style prefers semi weapons, in chromosone the Tac was a laughing stock unable to kill anyone, so i had to go with the regular version.


The Tacs recoil isnt consitent with the thight grouping of the other assault rifles, it jumps randomly, i doubt that you can negate it completely like you can on the duvolle.

I don't know where in the above quote I made it sound like everyone is using modded controllers, nor have i EVER said it was impossible for players to reach the speeds with just finger speed.

That has NOTHING to do with the weapon being able to fire faster than a fully auto rifle.

Oh btw, with a mouse, it's MUCH easier to control recoil

How do 3 to 4 shots with this thing kill me with 800+ combined sheild and Hp?

So frustrating..

I know it wasn't a combination of shots.

It was just me and another "Logi".

At least this time I got to "see" who killed me.

Is this happening to anyone else? Like 4 shots max, I know because you can hear them so its possible to count. This gun keeps killing me over and over.

lol defending an OP gun...wonder if you use it?

I wonder what 90% of assault players using? I wonder why? Most people tend to gravitate towards the easy stuff, so it makes me wonder how "hard" it is to use.

The fact that you have no objection to people using modded controllers really shows you have no problems with people cheating. People want they can use whatever, BUT the fact that the ROF ALLOWS the gun to be exploited by cheating, is a different matter.

The gun is suppose to hit hard, but the ROF is stupidly high for a semi auto gun. If people really say the tact AR's are fine, I question this community.

All you have to look at is what all the "top" players are using, and see what's OP or easymode.

I dont address your modded controller complaints because you and everyone else who insists they are being used are utterly clueless. The comment i make refers to how you crybabies are spoiled by being told you are all special and when you cant reproduce results that other top players can its that they use OP gear or they cheat, its never your own fault or lack of skill.


If you carebears had any sense you'd know with the next to nonexistent recoil the burst fire weapons would be the clear choice to use a modded controller on.

But tell you what rather than you using your ears or watching tracers or whatever weak reason you cite as proof of modded controller use, why don't you bring the forums some video proof of their use. Its pretty clear when a person is using a modded controller right so surely it wont be a problem to obtain "proof".

I dont address your modded controller complaints because you and everyone else who insists they are being used are utterly clueless. The comment i make refers to how you crybabies are spoiled by being told you are all special and when you cant reproduce results that other top players can its that they use OP gear or they cheat, its never your own fault or lack of skill.


If you carebears had any sense you'd know with the next to nonexistent recoil the burst fire weapons would be the clear choice to use a modded controller on.

But tell you what rather than you using your ears or watching tracers or whatever weak reason you cite as proof of modded controller use, why don't you bring the forums some video proof of their use. Its pretty clear when a person is using a modded controller right so surely it wont be a problem to obtain "proof".

Moded controller or not the weapon is op. The only weapon that should take 947 ehp in 4 shots is a sniper.

Not to mention tacs own in cqc they dont even belong their.

Nerf dmg back to 50ish and keep everything else the same.