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Bad Heal
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.11 20:20:00 -
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This weapon is devistating. High damage, nice rate of fire, and nice clip size. Oh and did I mention its range?
This weapon won't last long the way it is, especially when it can shoot full auto... mod'd controller guys |
Icedslayer
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.11 20:26:00 -
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Don't take the AR players last crutch away, they might actually have to play with "balanced weapons" |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
51
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Posted - 2013.05.11 20:33:00 -
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Bad Heal wrote:This weapon is devistating. High damage, nice rate of fire, and nice clip size. Oh and did I mention its range?
This weapon won't last long the way it is, especially when it can shoot full auto... mod'd controller guys
Uprising was a failure. Stop trying to nerf everything it cannot create balance.
The obvious solution is to make the tac automatic and give all the ARs 500 meter ranges as well as the HMG.
Lasers should be fixed as well.
I should also point out how idiotic balance is in a game with orbital strikes, where people with only 500k Sp are fighting people with 8 million SP, and getting run over by a jeep is an instant kill regardless of what class you are. |
Keyser Soze VerbalKint
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.11 20:34:00 -
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Bad Heal wrote:This weapon is devistating. High damage, nice rate of fire, and nice clip size. Oh and did I mention its range?
This weapon won't last long the way it is, especially when it can shoot full auto... mod'd controller guys
Just get gud. Whaa the TAC AR is OP, whats next the Logi suit is OP too
Try the others are just not up to snuff. |
Icedslayer
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
66
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Posted - 2013.05.11 20:40:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Bad Heal wrote:This weapon is devistating. High damage, nice rate of fire, and nice clip size. Oh and did I mention its range?
This weapon won't last long the way it is, especially when it can shoot full auto... mod'd controller guys Uprising was a failure. Stop trying to nerf everything it cannot create balance. The obvious solution is to make the tac automatic and give all the ARs 500 meter ranges as well as the HMG. Lasers should be fixed as well. I should also point out how idiotic balance is in a game with orbital strikes, where people with only 500k Sp are fighting people with 8 million SP, and getting run over by a jeep is an instant kill regardless of what class you are. So lets have everyone engage each other from 500 meters and have zero CQC? So you basicly want to get rid of the SMG, Shotgun, Scrambler pistol, Nova knives, grenades,mass drivers, flylock pistol and plasma cannon. Are you R etarded by any chance?
Yes right now there are matches with 500k sp and 10 mill sp players that is being changed. |
Bad Heal
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.11 20:42:00 -
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Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:Bad Heal wrote:This weapon is devistating. High damage, nice rate of fire, and nice clip size. Oh and did I mention its range?
This weapon won't last long the way it is, especially when it can shoot full auto... mod'd controller guys Just get gud. Whaa the TAC AR is OP, whats next the Logi suit is OP too Try the others are just not up to snuff.
Have you been reading the forums? its ripe with logi nerf.
the other weapons all got nerfed and to try to make up for it they bump all weapon damage by 10% and an extra 10% to HMGs (needed).
Its just sad that they uprising is making this game worse. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1552
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Posted - 2013.05.11 20:47:00 -
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Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:Just get gud. Whaa the TAC AR is OP, whats next the Logi suit is OP too Try the others are just not up to snuff.
Getting good has nothing to do with how stupidly OP a gun is
80 dmg with a ROF that's fast enough any modded controller or mouse scroll wheel can take advantage of. The recoil is not enough either for the ROF.
Logis aren't OP, just the Caldari. 5 high 4 low and 3 equipment???!!!! hahahaha...yeeeeaaaah that's not OP, that's fine right?
A logi suit being a slayer's best option is certainly not an OP suit... .. the mere fact that a logi suit can be so much superior to an assault shows CCP needs to rebalance. |
Icedslayer
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
66
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Posted - 2013.05.11 20:51:00 -
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Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:Bad Heal wrote:This weapon is devistating. High damage, nice rate of fire, and nice clip size. Oh and did I mention its range?
This weapon won't last long the way it is, especially when it can shoot full auto... mod'd controller guys Just get gud. Whaa the TAC AR is OP, whats next the Logi suit is OP too Try the others are just not up to snuff. I have no issues taking down any suit, go ahead sack those shield extenders its not going help you against my nova knife (1 hits proto heavies), if you want to play the shooting game my SMG's will tear you to shreds.
either way, the TAC AR is sticking out like a sore thumb in this build, just watch it will get nerfed. (i don't want the damage nerfed but the ROF has to go. It shouldn't be able to fire faster than my SMG's) |
Keyser Soze VerbalKint
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
315
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Posted - 2013.05.11 20:58:00 -
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Bad Heal wrote:Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:Bad Heal wrote:This weapon is devistating. High damage, nice rate of fire, and nice clip size. Oh and did I mention its range?
This weapon won't last long the way it is, especially when it can shoot full auto... mod'd controller guys Just get gud. Whaa the TAC AR is OP, whats next the Logi suit is OP too Try the others are just not up to snuff. Have you been reading the forums? its ripe with logi nerf. the other weapons all got nerfed and to try to make up for it they bump all weapon damage by 10% and an extra 10% to HMGs (needed). Its just sad that they uprising is making this game worse.
Are you dense, the point is the logi suit isnt OP and all these threads cropping up just shows how clueless so much of this player base is with regard to gameplay damage.
Plenty of feedback has been given to support my claims about Logis so much so that people finally clued in that the role bonuses needed tweeking on the CALDARI Logi, and the assualt suits needed buffs.
With regards to the TAC AR its perfectly fine as is. Problem is the other weapons have become completely unreliable so it makes the TAC AR stick out like a sore thumb.
I wont even touch the modded controller bait, anyone thinking that its cause of modded controllers simply need to get a grip, this weapon isnt like little league sports(everyone gets a trophy for participation). Some ppl are just better with the weapon. Get over it. |
Byozuma Kegawa
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.11 20:59:00 -
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Icedslayer wrote:Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:Bad Heal wrote:This weapon is devistating. High damage, nice rate of fire, and nice clip size. Oh and did I mention its range?
This weapon won't last long the way it is, especially when it can shoot full auto... mod'd controller guys Just get gud. Whaa the TAC AR is OP, whats next the Logi suit is OP too Try the others are just not up to snuff. I have no issues taking down any suit, go ahead sack those shield extenders its not going help you against my nova knife (1 hits proto heavies ), if you want to play the shooting game my SMG's will tear you to shreds. either way, the TAC AR is sticking out like a sore thumb in this build, just watch it will get nerfed. (i don't want the damage nerfed but the ROF has to go. It shouldn't be able to fire faster than my SMG's) Especially when the weapon's description clearly states it as a single-fire weapon. |
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ZDub 303
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
93
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Posted - 2013.05.11 21:04:00 -
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Welcome to New Eden.
Adapt or Die. |
Byozuma Kegawa
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
13
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Posted - 2013.05.11 21:11:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Welcome to New Eden.
Adapt or Die. So, by your assertion, we should all use modded controllers? |
Bad Heal
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.11 21:13:00 -
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Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:Bad Heal wrote:Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:Bad Heal wrote:This weapon is devistating. High damage, nice rate of fire, and nice clip size. Oh and did I mention its range?
This weapon won't last long the way it is, especially when it can shoot full auto... mod'd controller guys Just get gud. Whaa the TAC AR is OP, whats next the Logi suit is OP too Try the others are just not up to snuff. Have you been reading the forums? its ripe with logi nerf. the other weapons all got nerfed and to try to make up for it they bump all weapon damage by 10% and an extra 10% to HMGs (needed). Its just sad that they uprising is making this game worse. Are you dense, the point is the logi suit isnt OP and all these threads cropping up just shows how clueless so much of this player base is with regard to gameplay damage. Plenty of feedback has been given to support my claims about Logis so much so that people finally clued in that the role bonuses needed tweeking on the CALDARI Logi, and the assualt suits needed buffs. With regards to the TAC AR its perfectly fine as is. Problem is the other weapons have become completely unreliable so it makes the TAC AR stick out like a sore thumb. I wont even touch the modded controller bait, anyone thinking that its cause of modded controllers simply need to get a grip, this weapon isnt like little league sports(everyone gets a trophy for participation). Some ppl are just better with the weapon. Get over it.
In regard to your Caldari Logi OP statement, I want you to sit down and do the math. calculate the cpu/pg for whatever weapon, mods, eq, bonuses. do it because few people have. tell me after that that they are OP. go ahead do it
I do agree with you in regards to Assault Dropsuis they do need a better working however this is about the Tactical AR.
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1552
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Posted - 2013.05.11 21:14:00 -
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Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:With regards to the TAC AR its perfectly fine as is. Problem is the other weapons have become completely unreliable so it makes the TAC AR stick out like a sore thumb.
I wont even touch the modded controller bait, anyone thinking that its cause of modded controllers simply need to get a grip, this weapon isnt like little league sports(everyone gets a trophy for participation). Some ppl are just better with the weapon. Get over it.
lol defending an OP gun...wonder if you use it?
I wonder what 90% of assault players using? I wonder why? Most people tend to gravitate towards the easy stuff, so it makes me wonder how "hard" it is to use.
The fact that you have no objection to people using modded controllers really shows you have no problems with people cheating. People want they can use whatever, BUT the fact that the ROF ALLOWS the gun to be exploited by cheating, is a different matter.
The gun is suppose to hit hard, but the ROF is stupidly high for a semi auto gun. If people really say the tact AR's are fine, I question this community.
All you have to look at is what all the "top" players are using, and see what's OP or easymode. |
Commander Tuna
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
18
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Posted - 2013.05.11 21:14:00 -
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Icedslayer wrote:Don't take the AR players last crutch away, they might actually have to play with "balanced weapons" Your tears fill me with hapiness. Tac ar needs a rof cap that's it. |
ZDub 303
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
94
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Posted - 2013.05.11 21:14:00 -
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Byozuma Kegawa wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Welcome to New Eden.
Adapt or Die. So, by your assertion, we should all use modded controllers?
I'm not using a modded controller and i'm doing just fine with the TAC and against it. I guess I've adapted. |
Full Metal Kitten
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
243
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Posted - 2013.05.11 21:18:00 -
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CCP - Please stock popcorn on the in-game market. Better yet, sell it in the. MCC. Kthxbai! |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.05.11 21:22:00 -
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Icedslayer wrote:[quote=Keyser Soze VerbalKint][quote=Bad Heal] It shouldn't be able to fire faster than my SMG's)
The TAC can fire faster than 1000 rpm? Or, have they nerfed the SMG's rof this build? |
Lavirac JR
DUST University Ivy League
138
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Posted - 2013.05.11 21:23:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:Just get gud. Whaa the TAC AR is OP, whats next the Logi suit is OP too Try the others are just not up to snuff. Getting good has nothing to do with how stupidly OP a gun is 80 dmg with a ROF that's fast enough any modded controller or mouse scroll wheel can take advantage of. The recoil is not enough either for the ROF. Logis aren't OP, just the Caldari. 5 high 4 low and 3 equipment???!!!! hahahaha...yeeeeaaaah that's not OP, that's fine right?
A logi suit being a slayer's best option is certainly not an OP suit... .. the mere fact that a logi suit can be so much superior to an assault shows CCP needs to rebalance.
The slot layout is fine, the +25% to Shield extenders is the part that makes it over powered.
All that said, Assault Suits in my opinion are generally underpowered... |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1554
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Posted - 2013.05.11 21:26:00 -
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Lavirac JR wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:Just get gud. Whaa the TAC AR is OP, whats next the Logi suit is OP too Try the others are just not up to snuff. Getting good has nothing to do with how stupidly OP a gun is 80 dmg with a ROF that's fast enough any modded controller or mouse scroll wheel can take advantage of. The recoil is not enough either for the ROF. Logis aren't OP, just the Caldari. 5 high 4 low and 3 equipment???!!!! hahahaha...yeeeeaaaah that's not OP, that's fine right?
A logi suit being a slayer's best option is certainly not an OP suit... .. the mere fact that a logi suit can be so much superior to an assault shows CCP needs to rebalance. The slot layout is fine, the +25% to Shield extenders is the part that makes it over powered. All that said, Assault Suits in my opinion are generally underpowered...
How could a logi suit be a more viable suit than an assault??? That's not OP?
So your idea to balance this is to give the assault players 6 high 5 low...cuz assault suits are UP. |
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We are 138
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
24
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Posted - 2013.05.11 21:28:00 -
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Icedslayer wrote:Don't take the AR players last crutch away, they might actually have to play with "balanced weapons"
I am an AR user and I 100% agree. Its sad really that SOME of my fellow AR users are only out to exploit what ever they can. It doesn't matter what it is really, these same players will "cheat" no matter what any one says as they are unable to compete otherwise. There is no way to combat this as you can not control what other people do. The only thing to be done is come up with your own personal strategy to deal with it. And maybe suggest to CCP banning accounts and deleting characters If viable proof can be found that a said player is using a mod controller, or a lag switch for that matter. I am a capital punishment kind of person and these are just my opinions. |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
252
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Posted - 2013.05.11 21:32:00 -
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We are 138 wrote:Icedslayer wrote:Don't take the AR players last crutch away, they might actually have to play with "balanced weapons" I am an AR user and I 100% agree. Its sad really that SOME of my fellow AR users are only out to exploit what ever they can. It doesn't matter what it is really, these same players will "cheat" no matter what any one says as they are unable to compete otherwise. There is no way to combat this as you can not control what other people do. The only thing to be done is come up with your own personal strategy to deal with it. And maybe suggest to CCP banning accounts and deleting characters If viable proof can be found that a said player is using a mod controller, or a lag switch for that matter. I am a capital punishment kind of person and these are just my opinions.
Ive actually tried it with my Eagle Eye controller that has a Turbo function on it while finding a solution to KB/M aim issues and i found that i can kill people much faster without auto-firing this weapon. My 95 rpm finger works much better.
Unless you actually tried auto-firing it, you have no idea about how ape that recoil gets...
People using Turbo buttons to negate any and all recoil on a duvolle are much worse then the people trying to control the Tac at full 975 rpm. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1554
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Posted - 2013.05.11 21:34:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:We are 138 wrote:Icedslayer wrote:Don't take the AR players last crutch away, they might actually have to play with "balanced weapons" I am an AR user and I 100% agree. Its sad really that SOME of my fellow AR users are only out to exploit what ever they can. It doesn't matter what it is really, these same players will "cheat" no matter what any one says as they are unable to compete otherwise. There is no way to combat this as you can not control what other people do. The only thing to be done is come up with your own personal strategy to deal with it. And maybe suggest to CCP banning accounts and deleting characters If viable proof can be found that a said player is using a mod controller, or a lag switch for that matter. I am a capital punishment kind of person and these are just my opinions. Ive actually tried it with my Eagle Eye controller that has a Turbo function on it while finding a solution to KB/M aim issues and i found that i can kill people much faster without auto-firing this weapon. My 95 rpm finger works much better. Unless you actually tried auto-firing it, you have no idea about how ape that recoil gets...
Any half decent player that's been playing FPS a while knows how to burst fire to control recoil. Not rocket science. |
Lavirac JR
DUST University Ivy League
138
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Posted - 2013.05.11 21:36:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Lavirac JR wrote:
The slot layout is fine, the +25% to Shield extenders is the part that makes it over powered.
All that said, Assault Suits in my opinion are generally underpowered...
How could a logi suit be a more viable suit than an assault??? That's not OP? So your idea to balance this is to give the assault players 6 high 5 low...cuz assault suits are UP.
No my idea to balance it is to get rid of the +5% Shield Extension Efficiency per level bonus and replace it with some sort of Logi specific bonus.
Also my idea is to give the Caldari Assault Suit Racial skill bonus something more useful than the hybrid reload BS they currently have.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
279
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Posted - 2013.05.11 21:38:00 -
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As a TAR user myself, I think the rate of fire is ridiculous. I don't use a modded controller, but why on earth is the weapon capable of firing faster than a fully automatic? I don't think the range or damage should be changed - they define its role. But when it also fires faster than the 'rapid fire' fully automatic weapons something is wrong, and it is eclipsing the role of other weapons. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1555
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Posted - 2013.05.11 21:41:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:As a TAR user myself, I think the rate of fire is ridiculous. I don't use a modded controller, but why on earth is the weapon capable of firing faster than a fully automatic? I don't think the range or damage should be changed - they define its role. But when it also fires faster than the 'rapid fire' fully automatic weapons something is wrong, and it is eclipsing the role of other weapons.
And that RIGHT there is the problem. A semi auto rifle capable of being fired faster than a fully auto.
People who defend this...just lol |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
252
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Posted - 2013.05.11 21:44:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:We are 138 wrote:Icedslayer wrote:Don't take the AR players last crutch away, they might actually have to play with "balanced weapons" I am an AR user and I 100% agree. Its sad really that SOME of my fellow AR users are only out to exploit what ever they can. It doesn't matter what it is really, these same players will "cheat" no matter what any one says as they are unable to compete otherwise. There is no way to combat this as you can not control what other people do. The only thing to be done is come up with your own personal strategy to deal with it. And maybe suggest to CCP banning accounts and deleting characters If viable proof can be found that a said player is using a mod controller, or a lag switch for that matter. I am a capital punishment kind of person and these are just my opinions. Ive actually tried it with my Eagle Eye controller that has a Turbo function on it while finding a solution to KB/M aim issues and i found that i can kill people much faster without auto-firing this weapon. My 95 rpm finger works much better. Unless you actually tried auto-firing it, you have no idea about how ape that recoil gets... Any half decent player that's been playing FPS a while knows how to burst fire to control recoil. Not rocket science.
And at 8 rounds per half a second, after your first 2 rounds, you are hitting air...its sad that its gonna get nerfed because of people using or people thinking people are using Turbo buttons on it.
But i am waiting on the Scrambler Charge rifle semi auto version to 2 shot people at a 1.5s interval anyways, i am crap with burst fire weapons. |
Lavirac JR
DUST University Ivy League
138
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Posted - 2013.05.11 21:45:00 -
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Really would a ROF of 120 RPM be too bad of a nerf for this gun? I think it would still be viable as a AR/Sniper combo and not make it too over powering.
That way regular ARs dominate them up close, but TACs still maintain a distance advantage. |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
252
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Posted - 2013.05.11 21:46:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:As a TAR user myself, I think the rate of fire is ridiculous. I don't use a modded controller, but why on earth is the weapon capable of firing faster than a fully automatic? I don't think the range or damage should be changed - they define its role. But when it also fires faster than the 'rapid fire' fully automatic weapons something is wrong, and it is eclipsing the role of other weapons. And that RIGHT there is the problem. A semi auto rifle capable of being fired faster than a fully auto. People who defend this...just lol
they could change it to 150 rpm witch is i think the upper limit of what a finger can go, mine does 95 clicks a minute.
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1555
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Posted - 2013.05.11 21:49:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:And at 8 rounds per half a second, after your first 2 rounds, you are hitting air...its sad that its gonna get nerfed because of people using or people thinking people are using Turbo buttons on it.
But i am waiting on the Scrambler Charge rifle semi auto version to 2 shot people at a 1.5s interval anyways, i am crap with burst fire weapons.
Nope. If you played games like lolBF3 you'll know how to control recoil with your right stick while firing.
It's sad that it's gonna get nerfed? Not sure if serious
Its ROF is FASTER THAN A FULLY AUTO ASSAULT RIFLE.
How is that even remotely "balanced" when it does 80 dmg lol
I understand people like using crutch weapons, but geez! At least admit that it shouldn't be able to fire that fast.
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