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Smoky Fingers
Red Star. EoN.
12
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Posted - 2013.05.11 21:53:00 -
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Don't think that many people use modded controllers for Tac's as this community accuses. Their just mad at the OP damage combined with quick trigger fingers, but its probably more about the op damage since reducing the RoF to 180 RPM (3 taps per second) probably wouldn't matter to the average user.
ALSO has it come onto anyone's mind that if you can program a modded controllers rapid fire at just the right rate, it'll negate the harsh recoil you get when you hold down the fire button on an automatic. inb4 "o sh** gek and duvolle op again!" |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
253
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Posted - 2013.05.11 21:55:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:And at 8 rounds per half a second, after your first 2 rounds, you are hitting air...its sad that its gonna get nerfed because of people using or people thinking people are using Turbo buttons on it.
But i am waiting on the Scrambler Charge rifle semi auto version to 2 shot people at a 1.5s interval anyways, i am crap with burst fire weapons. Nope. If you played games like lolBF3 you'll know how to control recoil with your right stick while firing. It's sad that it's gonna get nerfed? Not sure if serious Its ROF is FASTER THAN A FULLY AUTO ASSAULT RIFLE. How is that even remotely "balanced" when it does 80 dmg lol I understand people like using crutch weapons, but geez! At least admit that it shouldn't be able to fire that fast.
I dont play with a controller so i wouldnt know how to control recoil with a stick....
I remember in APB R when they put in a low set of RPM for semi auto weapons, they started ghost firing because some people could produce allot of clicks fast and a semi shoots as fast as you can trigger it.
But there is pretty much noone that can actually squeeze 975 clicks in a minute out of his finger, they can easely check for turbo controllers if its pressing at a constant rate all the time at max velocity they could jam the gun after 4-6 shots.
I am not defending the gun, but you make it sound like we are all shooting 975 rounds a minute with it, witch means every 1.8 seconds we need to reload ....
My play style prefers semi weapons, in chromosone the Tac was a laughing stock unable to kill anyone, so i had to go with the regular version.
Quote: ALSO has it come onto anyone's mind that if you can program a modded controllers rapid fire at just the right rate, it'll negate the harsh recoil you get when you hold down the fire button on an automatic. inb4 "o sh** gek and duvolle op again!"
The Tacs recoil isnt consitent with the thight grouping of the other assault rifles, it jumps randomly, i doubt that you can negate it completely like you can on the duvolle. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1555
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Posted - 2013.05.11 21:57:00 -
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Smoky Fingers wrote:Don't think that many people use modded controllers for Tac's as this community accuses. Their just mad at the OP damage combined with quick trigger fingers, but its probably more about the op damage since reducing the RoF to 180 RPM (3 taps per second) probably wouldn't matter to the average user.
ALSO has it come onto anyone's mind that if you can program a modded controllers rapid fire at just the right rate, it'll negate the harsh recoil you get when you hold down the fire button on an automatic. inb4 "o sh** gek and duvolle op again!"
Duvolle and GEK has recoil? |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
281
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Posted - 2013.05.11 21:59:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Smoky Fingers wrote:Don't think that many people use modded controllers for Tac's as this community accuses. Their just mad at the OP damage combined with quick trigger fingers, but its probably more about the op damage since reducing the RoF to 180 RPM (3 taps per second) probably wouldn't matter to the average user.
ALSO has it come onto anyone's mind that if you can program a modded controllers rapid fire at just the right rate, it'll negate the harsh recoil you get when you hold down the fire button on an automatic. inb4 "o sh** gek and duvolle op again!" Duvolle and GEK has recoil?
What is recoil? |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1556
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:00:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:And at 8 rounds per half a second, after your first 2 rounds, you are hitting air...its sad that its gonna get nerfed because of people using or people thinking people are using Turbo buttons on it.
But i am waiting on the Scrambler Charge rifle semi auto version to 2 shot people at a 1.5s interval anyways, i am crap with burst fire weapons. Nope. If you played games like lolBF3 you'll know how to control recoil with your right stick while firing. It's sad that it's gonna get nerfed? Not sure if serious Its ROF is FASTER THAN A FULLY AUTO ASSAULT RIFLE. How is that even remotely "balanced" when it does 80 dmg lol I understand people like using crutch weapons, but geez! At least admit that it shouldn't be able to fire that fast. I dont play with a controller so i wouldnt know how to control recoil with a stick.... I remember in APB R when they put in a low set of RPM for semi auto weapons, they started ghost firing because some people could produce allot of clicks fast and a semi shoots as fast as you can trigger it. But there is pretty much noone that can actually squeeze 975 clicks in a minute out of his finger, they can easely check for turbo controllers if its pressing at a constant rate all the time at max velocity they could jam the gun after 4-6 shots. I am not defending the gun, but you make it sound like we are all shooting 975 rounds a minute with it, witch means every 1.8 seconds we need to reload .... My play style prefers semi weapons, in chromosone the Tac was a laughing stock unable to kill anyone, so i had to go with the regular version. Quote: ALSO has it come onto anyone's mind that if you can program a modded controllers rapid fire at just the right rate, it'll negate the harsh recoil you get when you hold down the fire button on an automatic. inb4 "o sh** gek and duvolle op again!"
The Tacs recoil isnt consitent with the thight grouping of the other assault rifles, it jumps randomly, i doubt that you can negate it completely like you can on the duvolle.
I don't know where in the above quote I made it sound like everyone is using modded controllers, nor have i EVER said it was impossible for players to reach the speeds with just finger speed.
That has NOTHING to do with the weapon being able to fire faster than a fully auto rifle. The fact that it can, means the balance is off.
Oh btw, with a mouse, it's MUCH easier to control recoil |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
253
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:06:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:And at 8 rounds per half a second, after your first 2 rounds, you are hitting air...its sad that its gonna get nerfed because of people using or people thinking people are using Turbo buttons on it.
But i am waiting on the Scrambler Charge rifle semi auto version to 2 shot people at a 1.5s interval anyways, i am crap with burst fire weapons. Nope. If you played games like lolBF3 you'll know how to control recoil with your right stick while firing. It's sad that it's gonna get nerfed? Not sure if serious Its ROF is FASTER THAN A FULLY AUTO ASSAULT RIFLE. How is that even remotely "balanced" when it does 80 dmg lol I understand people like using crutch weapons, but geez! At least admit that it shouldn't be able to fire that fast. I dont play with a controller so i wouldnt know how to control recoil with a stick.... I remember in APB R when they put in a low set of RPM for semi auto weapons, they started ghost firing because some people could produce allot of clicks fast and a semi shoots as fast as you can trigger it. But there is pretty much noone that can actually squeeze 975 clicks in a minute out of his finger, they can easely check for turbo controllers if its pressing at a constant rate all the time at max velocity they could jam the gun after 4-6 shots. I am not defending the gun, but you make it sound like we are all shooting 975 rounds a minute with it, witch means every 1.8 seconds we need to reload .... My play style prefers semi weapons, in chromosone the Tac was a laughing stock unable to kill anyone, so i had to go with the regular version. Quote: ALSO has it come onto anyone's mind that if you can program a modded controllers rapid fire at just the right rate, it'll negate the harsh recoil you get when you hold down the fire button on an automatic. inb4 "o sh** gek and duvolle op again!"
The Tacs recoil isnt consitent with the thight grouping of the other assault rifles, it jumps randomly, i doubt that you can negate it completely like you can on the duvolle. I don't know where in the above quote I made it sound like everyone is using modded controllers, nor have i EVER said it was impossible for players to reach the speeds with just finger speed. That has NOTHING to do with the weapon being able to fire faster than a fully auto rifle. Oh btw, with a mouse, it's MUCH easier to control recoil
I never said i had recoil issues either.
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XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
289
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:08:00 -
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TAC is fun to use |
I-X-I
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:11:00 -
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How do 3 to 4 shots with this thing kill me with 800+ combined sheild and Hp?
So frustrating..
I know it wasn't a combination of shots.
It was just me and another "Logi".
At least this time I got to "see" who killed me.
Is this happening to anyone else? Like 4 shots max, I know because you can hear them so its possible to count. This gun keeps killing me over and over. |
XeroTheBigBoss
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
289
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:12:00 -
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I-X-I wrote:How do 3 to 4 shots with this thing kill me with 800+ combined sheild and Hp? So frustrating.. I know it wasn't a combination of shots. It was just me and another "Logi". At least this time I got to "see" who killed me. Is this happening to anyone else? Like 4 shots max, I know because you can hear them so its possible to count. This gun keeps killing me over and over.
Tac Rifle is pretty strong. 3-4 shots sounds about right. |
Smoky Fingers
Red Star. EoN.
12
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:20:00 -
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I Take back the comment on harsh recoil on gek ,duvolle , cause i used them for the first time this build just now lolol. Well how about the laser rifle! (MFW laser rifle has zero recoil) hhhhhhhnngg |
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Keyser Soze VerbalKint
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
319
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:21:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:With regards to the TAC AR its perfectly fine as is. Problem is the other weapons have become completely unreliable so it makes the TAC AR stick out like a sore thumb.
I wont even touch the modded controller bait, anyone thinking that its cause of modded controllers simply need to get a grip, this weapon isnt like little league sports(everyone gets a trophy for participation). Some ppl are just better with the weapon. Get over it. lol defending an OP gun...wonder if you use it? I wonder what 90% of assault players using? I wonder why? Most people tend to gravitate towards the easy stuff, so it makes me wonder how "hard" it is to use. The fact that you have no objection to people using modded controllers really shows you have no problems with people cheating. People want they can use whatever, BUT the fact that the ROF ALLOWS the gun to be exploited by cheating, is a different matter. The gun is suppose to hit hard, but the ROF is stupidly high for a semi auto gun. If people really say the tact AR's are fine, I question this community. All you have to look at is what all the "top" players are using, and see what's OP or easymode.
I dont address your modded controller complaints because you and everyone else who insists they are being used are utterly clueless. The comment i make refers to how you crybabies are spoiled by being told you are all special and when you cant reproduce results that other top players can its that they use OP gear or they cheat, its never your own fault or lack of skill.
If you carebears had any sense you'd know with the next to nonexistent recoil the burst fire weapons would be the clear choice to use a modded controller on.
But tell you what rather than you using your ears or watching tracers or whatever weak reason you cite as proof of modded controller use, why don't you bring the forums some video proof of their use. Its pretty clear when a person is using a modded controller right so surely it wont be a problem to obtain "proof". |
Bad Heal
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
4
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:44:00 -
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Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:With regards to the TAC AR its perfectly fine as is. Problem is the other weapons have become completely unreliable so it makes the TAC AR stick out like a sore thumb.
I wont even touch the modded controller bait, anyone thinking that its cause of modded controllers simply need to get a grip, this weapon isnt like little league sports(everyone gets a trophy for participation). Some ppl are just better with the weapon. Get over it. lol defending an OP gun...wonder if you use it? I wonder what 90% of assault players using? I wonder why? Most people tend to gravitate towards the easy stuff, so it makes me wonder how "hard" it is to use. The fact that you have no objection to people using modded controllers really shows you have no problems with people cheating. People want they can use whatever, BUT the fact that the ROF ALLOWS the gun to be exploited by cheating, is a different matter. The gun is suppose to hit hard, but the ROF is stupidly high for a semi auto gun. If people really say the tact AR's are fine, I question this community. All you have to look at is what all the "top" players are using, and see what's OP or easymode. I dont address your modded controller complaints because you and everyone else who insists they are being used are utterly clueless. The comment i make refers to how you crybabies are spoiled by being told you are all special and when you cant reproduce results that other top players can its that they use OP gear or they cheat, its never your own fault or lack of skill. If you carebears had any sense you'd know with the next to nonexistent recoil the burst fire weapons would be the clear choice to use a modded controller on. But tell you what rather than you using your ears or watching tracers or whatever weak reason you cite as proof of modded controller use, why don't you bring the forums some video proof of their use. Its pretty clear when a person is using a modded controller right so surely it wont be a problem to obtain "proof".
LOL your entire post was addressing mod'd controllers. troll |
Chibi Andy
Forsaken Immortals Gentlemen's Agreement
154
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Posted - 2013.05.11 22:53:00 -
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i ran into a full squad of United Pawnage Service guys sporting only Tactical AR's, and its the expensive ones, suffice to say by the time i can get them in range of my HMG i've pretty much lost most of my armor or dead before i even get in range |
undeadsoldier90
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
390
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Posted - 2013.05.11 23:03:00 -
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Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:With regards to the TAC AR its perfectly fine as is. Problem is the other weapons have become completely unreliable so it makes the TAC AR stick out like a sore thumb.
I wont even touch the modded controller bait, anyone thinking that its cause of modded controllers simply need to get a grip, this weapon isnt like little league sports(everyone gets a trophy for participation). Some ppl are just better with the weapon. Get over it. lol defending an OP gun...wonder if you use it? I wonder what 90% of assault players using? I wonder why? Most people tend to gravitate towards the easy stuff, so it makes me wonder how "hard" it is to use. The fact that you have no objection to people using modded controllers really shows you have no problems with people cheating. People want they can use whatever, BUT the fact that the ROF ALLOWS the gun to be exploited by cheating, is a different matter. The gun is suppose to hit hard, but the ROF is stupidly high for a semi auto gun. If people really say the tact AR's are fine, I question this community. All you have to look at is what all the "top" players are using, and see what's OP or easymode. I dont address your modded controller complaints because you and everyone else who insists they are being used are utterly clueless. The comment i make refers to how you crybabies are spoiled by being told you are all special and when you cant reproduce results that other top players can its that they use OP gear or they cheat, its never your own fault or lack of skill. If you carebears had any sense you'd know with the next to nonexistent recoil the burst fire weapons would be the clear choice to use a modded controller on. But tell you what rather than you using your ears or watching tracers or whatever weak reason you cite as proof of modded controller use, why don't you bring the forums some video proof of their use. Its pretty clear when a person is using a modded controller right so surely it wont be a problem to obtain "proof".
Moded controller or not the weapon is op. The only weapon that should take 947 ehp in 4 shots is a sniper.
Not to mention tacs own in cqc they dont even belong their.
Nerf dmg back to 50ish and keep everything else the same.
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DigiOps
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
209
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Posted - 2013.05.11 23:18:00 -
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Tried the GLU-5 today to see what the big deal was. I'm in love. |
Sir Petersen
Valhalla Nord
123
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Posted - 2013.05.11 23:33:00 -
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The TAC AR is just fine the way it is. Lovely weapon. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1138
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Posted - 2013.05.11 23:36:00 -
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Better than a shotgun in CQB... working as intended I'm sure
Don't really care will all get ironed out in time. |
Keyser Soze VerbalKint
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
319
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Posted - 2013.05.11 23:52:00 -
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undeadsoldier90 wrote:Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:With regards to the TAC AR its perfectly fine as is. Problem is the other weapons have become completely unreliable so it makes the TAC AR stick out like a sore thumb.
I wont even touch the modded controller bait, anyone thinking that its cause of modded controllers simply need to get a grip, this weapon isnt like little league sports(everyone gets a trophy for participation). Some ppl are just better with the weapon. Get over it. lol defending an OP gun...wonder if you use it? I wonder what 90% of assault players using? I wonder why? Most people tend to gravitate towards the easy stuff, so it makes me wonder how "hard" it is to use. The fact that you have no objection to people using modded controllers really shows you have no problems with people cheating. People want they can use whatever, BUT the fact that the ROF ALLOWS the gun to be exploited by cheating, is a different matter. The gun is suppose to hit hard, but the ROF is stupidly high for a semi auto gun. If people really say the tact AR's are fine, I question this community. All you have to look at is what all the "top" players are using, and see what's OP or easymode. I dont address your modded controller complaints because you and everyone else who insists they are being used are utterly clueless. The comment i make refers to how you crybabies are spoiled by being told you are all special and when you cant reproduce results that other top players can its that they use OP gear or they cheat, its never your own fault or lack of skill. If you carebears had any sense you'd know with the next to nonexistent recoil the burst fire weapons would be the clear choice to use a modded controller on. But tell you what rather than you using your ears or watching tracers or whatever weak reason you cite as proof of modded controller use, why don't you bring the forums some video proof of their use. Its pretty clear when a person is using a modded controller right so surely it wont be a problem to obtain "proof". Moded controller or not the weapon is op. The only weapon that should take 947 ehp in 4 shots is a sniper.Not to mention tacs own in cqc they dont even belong their. Nerf dmg back to 50ish and keep everything else the same.
Nope dmg is fine, the only credible solution would be to reduce ROF, however a large ROF nerf and the weapon wont fire fast enough to kill at range. This is the conundrum of the TAC AR it has to work well at range without being too effective in CQC. ROF not Dmg is the way to do that.
Another is CLIP SIZE. Notice nobody here even thinks to look at clip size as a possible issue with the TAC. Reducing the clip size forces proper aim regardless of the weapon attributes. If a person cant aim and land shots on targets they will not be able to spray and pray it with a turbo/modded controller because they will just empty their clip too quick.
Currently they are 24 and 30 for glu and duvolloe tac. Reduce the clip size so each shot counts more.
Also really lets not get into the spreadsheet game of DPS and EHP. This isnt an RPG where you are casting a spell these are guns and while the damage output is one factor in a weapon the other is actually making the shots hit your target.
My issue isnt with ppl who seek to try to balance the TAC AR, its with people who cite modded controllers as the reason it needs to be nerfed or that ppl cheat. They are silly and their inability to admit that it could be more to do with their own shortcomings as a player that results in their perception. Moreover the Burst variants have larger clips, faster ROF, and virtually no recoil. The DPS is irrelevant because the shots are easier to keep on track. So yea if someone is going to use a modded controller it would be on that weapon(as is the case in most FPS where ppl apply their modded controllers to.)
Oh and i run against my imp teammates quite a bit in CQC when they are using TACs i have really no issue against them, but i dont stand still and i dont go running into 6 of them half cocked. I breakup their lil circle jerk with some RE's or nades and proceed to harass them while my other squadmates take them out. Its why i love playing against my corp, hands down best challenge in the game. |
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