Don't know why your complaining, SMG has better hit detection right now anyways

Not complaining, just see a bunch of fools calling for nerfs when they dont understand balance. Its the same as me saying scouts with shotguns are op, they can only use scanning tools.

It's just peoples' first reaction to something.

If X needs tweaking (read: balancing), then they demand swift, drastic nerfing be done.

I still want my logi caretakers around

TBH, the best thing would be to look at the bonuses of each suit. The Winmatar suit may be fine with its bonus, as its only for hacking speed, and the suit is pretty damn fragile. The Caldari on the other hand, its bonus will need to be dropped, and possibly the Gallentes as well. 255 @ lvl 5 is quite a bit. 2% per level is probably much more balanced, and still gives enough ofa boost to warrant training to 5.

Don't know why your complaining, SMG has better hit detection right now anyways

This is the problem, if they take away our light slot, the killer bees are just going to use SMGs and scramblers and nothing gets accomplished. We need another damn respec, the HMG needs a buff, scout, templar and assault suits need better bonuses to be desirable and everyone can go back to their respective class and logi can stop being the FotM. But since CCP is on a nerf spree logis are going to be ****ed and the "OMG nerf X" bull **** will continue on until everyone quits because they're tired of their stuff being nerfed. It's not Dust 514, or AR 514, it's turned into Nerf 514.

Taking away the ability to use a light weapon would be a huge mistake, no one would run logi. They already sacrifice speed and a sidearm slot to carry extra gear, they just need to be brought in line to be less durable. The current Caldari logi is ridic OP due to its slot layout and bonuses. Requiring this suits only change to force sidearms only wouldnt stop super tankers, infact, they'd have even more cpu and pg to fit higher end mods.

You're only going to balance this by toning down the bonuses and removing some low slots, otherwise you risk damaging the Logi class all together.

Too many kneejerk nerf requests going around broke the HMG, tanks, and other crap for the beginning of this build.

Hmm

The problem at the moment is logi are way too tanky.

Willing to become much less tanky and keep the light weapon?

Yea, thats the only thing thats gonna fix it. Requiring them to goto SMG's or something would just make them OP CQC brawlers. Take away some of that tanking ability, and they will be fine. Minmatar is already the most balanced of the 4, so it can pretty much be left alone. Caldari will need a drop to 2% per leve l for shields, or a new skill bonus altogether. Cant say much about Amarr or gallente yet but I'm sure they will need a look over too. Bascially, they shouldnt get any kind of HP bonus, thats more of an assault or heavy thing. Logi's should get bonuses to support (armor rep, hacks, nanite cluster level in hive etc..)

I edited my OP

Basically maybe some of the suits specializations should lose light weapon and keep the tank?

I guess my question would be, why didn't everybody choose a logi suit if they think they are OP? I mean this isn't a weapon that's out of whack. It's an entire class of suits.

The idea is to have survivability in order to provide support.

Logistics shouldn't be able to take over the assault role in my opinion. You want to be tanky? Give up your light weapon and go back to support.

Consider taking High and Low Slots away from Logis and adding a special slot type Medium (like in EVE yes) however medium slot types are like subsystems that improve how the logi's equipment works, how its scanners work, etc. Use the Medium suit slots to edit how the logi is designed to function in combat rather than allow it to tank extreme damage (remember that is what heavies were for)

Logistics shouldn't be able to take over the assault role in my opinion. You want to be tanky? Give up your light weapon and go back to support.

I invite you to my thread so you can point out how all logi's are OP, let alone taking over the assault class
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75780&find=unread

I beleive I did post on there.

Is that all you girls can do is complain this is op this is op.Stop complaining and play the game bunch of 80year old women.

Logi has to have tank if everyone is going to run tac ar

No. Logis need support bonuses.

No. Logis need support bonuses.

You cant support if your dead jus sayin

Did you not read the thread? Giving up a light weapon wont fix the class. It wont even make it a support class. They need to remove the tank bonuses for logi suits and give them support bonuses. Period. Anything else wont fix it.

What does the light weapon have to do with making it a viable support class? Riddle me that.