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EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
1041
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:01:00 -
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Ignoble Son wrote:ImpureMort wrote:Daalzebul Del'Armgo wrote:so for a skill that cost maxed out sp 621,840 both electronics and engineering
engineering let's see how much i get outa that many SP
Local powergrid expansion unit eat's up a whole 20CPU let's apply my half mill skill points ok i shave off a whole 5 cpu from that now that module cost me 15 cpu to fit Woot!!
now let's look at the Electronics version
maxxed skill = 25% cpu increase to vehicles total
hurm let's just do something low level
a level 1 lav Saga with starting cpu of 155 is now 193.75 cpu a differance of 38.75
hurm let's try something a little bigger
HC-130 Gunnlogi base cpu 380 with skill 475 cpu a differance of 95 Cpu
Balance this bullshit.
both skills cost the same yet i have to eat a low slot for a powergrid unit to get 15% pg increase and eat up 15 cpu
where the cpu enhancer get's 11% and use's no cpu or powergrid plus there skill get's a 25% increase!
pffttt please.
i hope this does not lead to electronics being nerfed 2 Ya, I think the electronics skill should be nerfed for dropsuits the same way the engineering skill was nerfed for vehicles. Sounds about fair to me.
They wont upset ther assault babby playerbase
The butthurt would be like tankers QQ except times a million |
Drommy Hood
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
277
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:09:00 -
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Im sure there is a reson that ccp have changed the max pg/cpu you can aquire with tanks. Id imagine it was because it was easily possible to fit dual reppers and still have a top notch cannon. Which dont get me wrong, i loved. But it did kind of make me invulnerable to a moderate attack indefinitely, and invulnerable to most of a red lined team with militia swarms and the odd FG for the time i had both the reps running together. Fun times, for my madruger anyway :) |
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
198
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:22:00 -
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Drommy Hood wrote:Im sure there is a reson that ccp have changed the max pg/cpu you can aquire with tanks. Id imagine it was because it was easily possible to fit dual reppers and still have a top notch cannon. Which dont get me wrong, i loved. But it did kind of make me invulnerable to a moderate attack indefinitely, and invulnerable to most of a red lined team with militia swarms and the odd FG for the time i had both the reps running together. Fun times, for my madruger anyway :)
I can't speak to armor tanks but it isn't to same for shields. This nerf is literaly destroy us. |
Drommy Hood
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
277
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:34:00 -
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Ignoble Son wrote:Drommy Hood wrote:Im sure there is a reson that ccp have changed the max pg/cpu you can aquire with tanks. Id imagine it was because it was easily possible to fit dual reppers and still have a top notch cannon. Which dont get me wrong, i loved. But it did kind of make me invulnerable to a moderate attack indefinitely, and invulnerable to most of a red lined team with militia swarms and the odd FG for the time i had both the reps running together. Fun times, for my madruger anyway :) I can't speak to armor tanks but it isn't to same for shields. This nerf is literaly destroy us.
what was your old fit, and what is your new fit. Whats the difference it makes in damage/hp ect ect. Everyone crys underpowered, or overpowered, but until somone actually addresses the reason WHY, its not going to be recognised/addressed.
Your old fit might not fit anymore, but that might be because it was overpowered, IE best of everything. New eden normally forces you to choose between gank or tank. If you choose both, then you can only do each half as good as someone only doing one. For example, If you want the biggest guns, and damage mods, then you might not have any room for tanking ATALL.
put it into perspective for us |
Sir Meode
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
491
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:43:00 -
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Drommy Hood wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:Drommy Hood wrote:Im sure there is a reson that ccp have changed the max pg/cpu you can aquire with tanks. Id imagine it was because it was easily possible to fit dual reppers and still have a top notch cannon. Which dont get me wrong, i loved. But it did kind of make me invulnerable to a moderate attack indefinitely, and invulnerable to most of a red lined team with militia swarms and the odd FG for the time i had both the reps running together. Fun times, for my madruger anyway :) I can't speak to armor tanks but it isn't to same for shields. This nerf is literaly destroy us. what was your old fit, and what is your new fit. Whats the difference it makes in damage/hp ect ect. Everyone crys underpowered, or overpowered, but until somone actually addresses the reason WHY, its not going to be recognised/addressed. Your old fit might not fit anymore, but that might be because it was overpowered, IE best of everything. New eden normally forces you to choose between gank or tank. If you choose both, then you can only do each half as good as someone only doing one. For example, If you want the biggest guns, and damage mods, then you might not have any room for tanking ATALL. put it into perspective for us
you see thats where the problem is, you cant do either. You dont have enough PG to tank, but if you go the other way there isnt enough PG to be a gank machine either. That combind with the p*ss poor damage from rail guns compared to blaster or missiles, there is no place for a tanker anymore. |
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
198
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:49:00 -
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Drommy Hood wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:Drommy Hood wrote:Im sure there is a reson that ccp have changed the max pg/cpu you can aquire with tanks. Id imagine it was because it was easily possible to fit dual reppers and still have a top notch cannon. Which dont get me wrong, i loved. But it did kind of make me invulnerable to a moderate attack indefinitely, and invulnerable to most of a red lined team with militia swarms and the odd FG for the time i had both the reps running together. Fun times, for my madruger anyway :) I can't speak to armor tanks but it isn't to same for shields. This nerf is literaly destroy us. what was your old fit, and what is your new fit. Whats the difference it makes in damage/hp ect ect. Everyone crys underpowered, or overpowered, but until somone actually addresses the reason WHY, its not going to be recognised/addressed. Your old fit might not fit anymore, but that might be because it was overpowered, IE best of everything. New eden normally forces you to choose between gank or tank. If you choose both, then you can only do each half as good as someone only doing one. For example, If you want the biggest guns, and damage mods, then you might not have any room for tanking ATALL. put it into perspective for us
With the old fitting, I could fit a proto shield booster and a proto shield extender (the two PG intensive things for shield tanks) and equip an advanced blaster. Now I am forced to choose either a booster or an extender. The only way I could run both is to run a standard blaster, and that is just absurdly under powered. |
Zombie Supreme
D3LTA FORC3
Orion Empire
24
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:54:00 -
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For the record I'm on Dust right now. I have all PG related vehicle skills at max, and tanks still have the same amount of PG they had yesterday. |
NOT slap26
Chatelain Rapid Response
Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:12:00 -
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Drommy Hood wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:Drommy Hood wrote:Im sure there is a reson that ccp have changed the max pg/cpu you can aquire with tanks. Id imagine it was because it was easily possible to fit dual reppers and still have a top notch cannon. Which dont get me wrong, i loved. But it did kind of make me invulnerable to a moderate attack indefinitely, and invulnerable to most of a red lined team with militia swarms and the odd FG for the time i had both the reps running together. Fun times, for my madruger anyway :) I can't speak to armor tanks but it isn't to same for shields. This nerf is literaly destroy us. what was your old fit, and what is your new fit. Whats the difference it makes in damage/hp ect ect. Everyone crys underpowered, or overpowered, but until somone actually addresses the reason WHY, its not going to be recognised/addressed. Your old fit might not fit anymore, but that might be because it was overpowered, IE best of everything. New eden normally forces you to choose between gank or tank. If you choose both, then you can only do each half as good as someone only doing one. For example, If you want the biggest guns, and damage mods, then you might not have any room for tanking ATALL. put it into perspective for us
Ok then if you want to put a proto weapon on your dropsuit, you cant put anything else on there. Have fun in your AR514 |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die
326
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:37:00 -
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Love how all the Assault newbs started calling the OP 'Stupid' and 'Ignorant', when in fact, they were the ones that were 'Stupid' and 'Ignorant'
By god, this thread is too hilarious to keep on the second page! |
Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
298
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:50:00 -
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Nelo Angel0 wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:With the ten present increase to "all hand held weapons" AV weapons will be all that much more powerful. This is a nerf on top of a nerf to all vehicle.
CCP please give vehicles back their 5% PG bonus skill or exclude all AV weapons from this buff. HTFU and stop your QQTT. then read the hotfixes
You should know that the hot fix is a flat out lie. All they did was ninja change the skill 200% from what it said it did when I invested into it.
Now it gives CPU on some kind of modules, NOT any PG. There's no way to get more PG and this breaks too many simple fittings. For ds pilots this change is kind of... inexplicable
So all the they did was change the description lol. |
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The Cobra Commander
Bojo's School of the Trades
9
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:53:00 -
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Just wanted to reply because it is so funny to see people who have no clue how the vehicles work spout off! At this point it seems the PG thing was an outright lie and CCP does not even care.  |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
356
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Posted - 2013.05.10 16:00:00 -
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Ignoble Son wrote:ImpureMort wrote:Daalzebul Del'Armgo wrote:so for a skill that cost maxed out sp 621,840 both electronics and engineering
engineering let's see how much i get outa that many SP
Local powergrid expansion unit eat's up a whole 20CPU let's apply my half mill skill points ok i shave off a whole 5 cpu from that now that module cost me 15 cpu to fit Woot!!
now let's look at the Electronics version
maxxed skill = 25% cpu increase to vehicles total
hurm let's just do something low level
a level 1 lav Saga with starting cpu of 155 is now 193.75 cpu a differance of 38.75
hurm let's try something a little bigger
HC-130 Gunnlogi base cpu 380 with skill 475 cpu a differance of 95 Cpu
Balance this bullshit.
both skills cost the same yet i have to eat a low slot for a powergrid unit to get 15% pg increase and eat up 15 cpu
where the cpu enhancer get's 11% and use's no cpu or powergrid plus there skill get's a 25% increase!
pffttt please.
i hope this does not lead to electronics being nerfed 2 Ya, I think the electronics skill should be nerfed for dropsuits the same way the engineering skill was nerfed for vehicles. Sounds about fair to me.
I second this |
The Cobra Commander
Bojo's School of the Trades
9
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Posted - 2013.05.10 16:01:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Nelo Angel0 wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:With the ten present increase to "all hand held weapons" AV weapons will be all that much more powerful. This is a nerf on top of a nerf to all vehicle.
CCP please give vehicles back their 5% PG bonus skill or exclude all AV weapons from this buff. HTFU and stop your QQTT. then read the hotfixes You should know that the hot fix is a flat out lie. All they did was ninja change the skill 200% from what it said it did when I invested into it. Now it gives CPU on some kind of modules, NOT any PG. There's no way to get more PG and this breaks too many simple fittings. For ds pilots this change is kind of... inexplicable So all the they did was change the description lol.
This is so true for DS. A Gallente DS is pretty useless now that one cannot add armor. Add to that the thing is so slow you are just a sitting duck to everything.
I can honestly say that if it where not for the cool people in my Corp I would have been left (and I am still thinking about it). Like I have said and a few other vehicle owners, this PG thing seems like a bold face lie. |
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