1 simple solution is to have different 'tiered' rooms, allowing militia to face milita, adv v adv and so on.

They had this previously, and it has been brought back up in subsequent builds. You will also likely see boosters the multiply your SP earnings. they introduced the Omega booster not long ago which was a 2.5x boost, but had to pull it cause it didnt work properly.

right here and right now, yes you have cause for concern, but the focus right now is getting core gameplay and several other issues that have changed in this build to achieve functionality before the release.

I'm sure your concerns are also being addressed, and they are working to implement something to make the day 1 player enjoy the experience rather than just being stat padders for scrubs like me

How many times must we repeat this?

The game is borked due to balance issues and bugs, not because some people have more SP than you. While I think players under 4mil or so should have their own arena I can't honestly say a reset is necessary. I play on an alt, on which I have ~1mil sp and do ok. If you're getting raped you need to reevaluate your tactics and your skill.

1 mil SP. I play smart on that alt. I do ok with 1 mil.

You've been playing for one week and you're somehow learned in what the player base needs? Did you stop to think about what you were writing?

You want everyone back at your level because you are bad, and feel entitled to something. Guess what, you aren't owed anything and in 6 months time you will still be bad at this game because rather than learning to find your niche or harden up you'll be crying CCP isn't accommodating you enough.

There are always going to be better players than you regardless of whether or not you started with 500k or 10 mil SP.

resetlol

Militia only matches. Why why WHY are there not militia only matches? There is no PROPER tutorial. New players NEED somewhere to get used to the game, build confidence and make contacts. Before they come across a full squad of RofL, EoN, CRONOS or Negative feedback (don't know your tags, sorry) or even PFBHz. It's not about what's fair, lore, or anything else. It is about profit, and increasing the player base. There are militia grade AUR items. See the link between militia only games and profit? New players will only run predominantly militia based fits while they learn & earn. See the link between militia only games and an increase in players? Seems pretty obvious to me.

Nothing stops any of the above mentioned groups joining militia only games, and owning in similar gear to the nOObs. That's good times, and nOObs can learn from them.
Anything less is stupid beyond belief.

I agree with Iskandar- Even though there should be a separate newberry section of the game, this game is set in New Eden.
As such, it is designed to be essentially unfair.

A new pilot in Eve shouldn't expect to even damage a Titan in his first day, just like a Merc running with militia shouldn't expect to make a dent in a Prototype Tank with fully skilled and trained gunners. Dust isn't a game about K/D or warpoints, it's a game to learn more faster than everyone else.

Also, YuKnow, don't bring up COD or Swat in order to prove your supremacy. It REALLY doesn't work on these forums. Dust is not COD or Battlefield, and someone who would easily fail out of those games might be the top ranked for this one... and vice-versa.

CCP should make it easier for new players, but there's no way to avoid the learning curve in the long game. Eventually, every player will have to deal with players who are far more experienced than them.

Look, the fundamental problem with a full reset is that it is a temporary solution. If we reset to accommodate new players now, why should we not do it at some point in the future?

I don't really mean to be rude, or offend you, but I'm frustrated by and intolerant of the overwhelming number of posts begging to reset. It is simply not a viable long-term solution and only considered justified by people who believe they are somehow being 'robbed' by the vets. This game was never intended to be fair for everyone all the time.

As I said in my post I'm all for a separate area for new players. I'm surprised CCP hasn't implemented something like this already to help keep people from walking away from this game.

Look, the fundamental problem with a full reset is that it is a temporary solution. If we reset to accommodate new players now, why should we not do it at some point in the future?

I don't really mean to be rude, or offend you, but I'm frustrated by and intolerant of the overwhelming number of posts begging to reset. It is simply not a viable long-term solution and only considered justified by people who believe they are somehow being 'robbed' by the vets. This game was never intended to be fair for everyone all the time.

As I said in my post I'm all for a separate area for new players. I'm surprised CCP hasn't implemented something like this already to help keep people from walking away from this game.

I agree with Iskandar- Even though there should be a separate newberry section of the game, this game is set in New Eden.
As such, it is designed to be essentially unfair.

A new pilot in Eve shouldn't expect to even damage a Titan in his first day, just like a Merc running with militia shouldn't expect to make a dent in a Prototype Tank with fully skilled and trained gunners. Dust isn't a game about K/D or warpoints, it's a game to learn more faster than everyone else.

Also, YuKnow, don't bring up COD or Swat in order to prove your supremacy. It REALLY doesn't work on these forums. Dust is not COD or Battlefield, and someone who would easily fail out of those games might be the top ranked for this one... and vice-versa.

CCP should make it easier for new players, but there's no way to avoid the learning curve in the long game. Eventually, every player will have to deal with players who are far more experienced than them.

You clearly missed his ultimate point quoted here
"The most obvious is to signifcantly raise the SP cap untill you reach a certain amount one that would give you the chacne to compete and not get ran all over. "

He was stating the usual-ness of a beta operating the way we currently are, and offering his thoughts on a way to keep new players from being stomped out of the game.

You should take a moment to comprehend what you read before you react with anger and insults, simply not a good way to propegate a valid discussion.

Thank you for playing this game, as you own a piece of its success, but you dont own ideals or opinions of other people and you certainly dont own the right to tread on people for voicing theirs.

Yuknow, you have a leg up, you have found a home with a corp that values your thoughts and will fight with you on your own progression as well as expect you to grow and support them in theirs.

I believe that eventually this issue will be explored and a solution will be found. This point has been brought up too many times for it not too. With the CPM on our side and cohesive voices in the forums we can and will win the day.

Stay informed, keep posting your opinions, its the only way CCP will know that there are things that need to change. Have faith that they will and presence of mind to foster change brother.

KCCO

CCP are between a rock and a hard place. It's not a good enough game experience to pull players away from the big guns and if they reset everything, they stand to lose a lot of the 3 or 4 thousand people that are already playing.

What to do?

LETS THE ELITES BE ELITE AND THE NOOBS BE NOOBS... IF NEW PLAYERS DIDNT WANT TO INVEST AND STAY COMMITED TO CLOSED BETA THEN THEY DESERVE TO GET TROLLED FOR HAVING NO FAITH IN CCP

So...Has anyone read the Dev post that said they're gonna have a matchmaking system based on total WP a character has? Just me? Oh okay...

There have been some very good suggestions made in this thread that, in the future, will help to alleviate the gap between veterans and new players who join late.

Unfortunately, unless these suggestions are implemented within the next four days, they will do nothing to help the new players at launch.

Yes, there will always be new players joining the game, and they will always be at a disadvantage against long-term vets but, on launch day, this game will inevitably see the largest single influx of fresh meat that it is likely to see at any one time. These new launch players will be the one's who, based upon their first impressions of this game, will stay or leave, recommend it to their friends or recommend that they avoid it at all costs, and who, depending upon their reactions, will ultimately determine how successful the game becomes.

These are the new players that CCP needs to worry about RIGHT NOW.

There's a saying "you never get a second chance to make a good first impression".

What do you think their first impression of this game will be, if they're immediately outclassed and outgunned by seasoned veterans who are more skilled, better organized, and clearly equipped in drastically superior gear, that these new players cannot possibly hope to obtain for several months?

Does anyone honestly believe that, with so many other far more forgiving FPSs available on the console market, that they'll shrug their shoulders and say "Oh well, this IS New Eden, after all. I guess I'd better just HTFU and start grinding!"

Does anyone think that, after getting Protostomped against clearly unfair and seemingly unsurmountable odds, that they're likely to recommend this game to their friends?

Or do you think that it is more likely that they'll just delete it and play some other game that they think they might actually stand a chance of success at? After all, it's not like they'd have anything to lose. It was free to try, so it won't cost them a single penny to just walk away.

Just think about this situation realistically, from the point of view of the new player. Does this not cause you at least some concern about the future of this game, and how successful it might be versus how successful it COULD be?

Because it should.

LETS THE ELITES BE ELITE AND THE NOOBS BE NOOBS... IF NEW PLAYERS DIDNT WANT TO INVEST AND STAY COMMITED TO CLOSED BETA THEN THEY DESERVE TO GET TROLLED FOR HAVING NO FAITH IN CCP

CCP can do another respec then lock the SP so we cant touch it for awhile until they see fit, when the game's cycle of new players catchs up,we'd still have all are SP just in the bank.

You're either a blithering moron or comedic genius.

The good news is that it looks like a mtchmaking system that'll separate the new players from the beta vets WILL be ready in time for launch after all!

I havnt read this thread at all so I dont know if you seen this

By separating matchmaking for players above and below 4 mil sp and adding rollover sp cap since chromosome launch

Im not sure what you are saying. That by seperating ppl til they reach 4mil that once they reach 4mil that the ppl that was at 4mil are now at 8mil will make this a new game and give new players a chance to compete?
Not trying be smart ass just not sure what you was trying to say.

Thanks
Erik

granted i didn't read the entire thread, just the first post. now with that said.

you said something about a full reset on launch, i wouldn't mind but your talking about fairness to beta players in the same sentence. You've been with DUST about a week, this game has been in beta for over 2yrs...correct me if im wrong...I know I've played for about a year, and i think that the updates from codex to chromosome and from chromosome to uprising was the only updates that we didn't have a full reset, SP, ISK, AUR, Gear...everything.

I know that I've been through at least 3 of those resets, if not more. in Codex i had 11mil SP, build before that i had 5mil. Chromosome to Uprising i had 7mil so that's 23mil SP in total. Other players have had tons more i believe. We've been through those resets, Bugs where Dropsuits are all invalid once you go into battle but are completely usable once you reset. Oribital Strike spamming due to WP farming. Fully automatic Tac Rifles and RE spamming. And tons more. We all know how to get the best SP and WP for our play style? why? because we've been here for so long. and so far the only thing I've noticed that the beta players have that the players wont be able to get once the game launches is the skinweave suits. and some of the other special rewards.

i don't care either way if they reset everything or not, plus side is ill get my AUR back.

This is New Eden...Stronger corps, stronger players have to be present to give new players something to strive for.

calm your **** people, CCP are including matchmaking which goes by total WP gained per match! So I'll be with all the n00bs lolol

It's not any different than someone coming in a month or two late. Any players that come in and look at the game as a strategic standpoint will do well at the game.

It is different, though. Yes, you'll always have a few late joiners, but you'll never see the same sudden surge of new players that will occur at launch. This will be the game's opportunity to make either a good or bad first impression.

Launch is when the critics will be watching, and what the reviews will be based upon, not when Joe Latecomer joins a month from now.

How these new launch players view the game, and whether they recommend it to their friends or not, will ultimately have a significant impact on how successful it is.