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UK-Shots
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Posted - 2013.05.09 12:48:00 -
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its just ridiculous. never seen anythin like it on any game. |
KalOfTheRathi
Talon Strike Force LTD Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.09 12:50:00 -
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Stacking of corporations?
Not something I have heard of, even down here in the DUST. |
UK-Shots
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Posted - 2013.05.09 12:54:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:Stacking of corporations?
Not something I have heard of, even down here in the DUST.
its a dust game mode thats in every server you join. you run around in groups of 6 and all shoot doobies at the same time...and you all go the whole game without dying
cant CCP implement some nice servers where sqauds are not allowed? |
steadyhand amarr
NW WARLORDS
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Posted - 2013.05.09 12:57:00 -
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Is this in Fw it's intended and fine if Its instant matches not so good personal I feel squads should be banned from instant matches and use Fw and pc for that. As every other shooter keeps it quick matches free from organised game play. :-P |
Medic 1879
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.09 12:59:00 -
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UK-Shots wrote:KalOfTheRathi wrote:Stacking of corporations?
Not something I have heard of, even down here in the DUST. its a dust game mode thats in every server you join. you run around in groups of 6 and all shoot doobies at the same time...and you all go the whole game without dying cant CCP implement some nice servers where sqauds are not allowed?
Would actually be a good idea that for blueberries +1.
Also on the other side playing as a squad of 6 against a squad of 6 from your own corp is quite funny you know each others playstyles and try to counter it but they know yours and counter that had one last night and it was so funny and completley chaotic. |
UK-Shots
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Posted - 2013.05.09 13:01:00 -
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Medic 1879 wrote:UK-Shots wrote:KalOfTheRathi wrote:Stacking of corporations?
Not something I have heard of, even down here in the DUST. its a dust game mode thats in every server you join. you run around in groups of 6 and all shoot doobies at the same time...and you all go the whole game without dying cant CCP implement some nice servers where sqauds are not allowed? Would actually be a good idea that for blueberries +1. Also on the other side playing as a squad of 6 against a squad of 6 from your own corp is quite funny you know each others playstyles and try to counter it but they know yours and counter that had one last night and it was so funny and completley chaotic.
its just basic stuff that every FPS has/ ccp seem to be failing with the basics |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.09 13:02:00 -
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Snipers are your best friend.
if players want to run in a group of 6 and not watch cover( which they never do ) they die, of course at best there's usually only 0-2 competant snipers in a game now...so sucks to be you I guess. |
UK-Shots
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Posted - 2013.05.09 13:03:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:Snipers are your best friend.
if players want to run in a group of 6 and not watch cover( which they never do ) they die, of course at best there's usually only 0-2 competant snipers in a game now...so sucks to be you I guess.
a sniper is not the solution |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.09 13:05:00 -
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UK-Shots wrote:calisk galern wrote:Snipers are your best friend.
if players want to run in a group of 6 and not watch cover( which they never do ) they die, of course at best there's usually only 0-2 competant snipers in a game now...so sucks to be you I guess. a sniper is not the solution
just one of =)
you could also spam grenades at them, proto sleeks would destroy a large squad, sniper forges, and/or good squad play would also work.
tactics do the team well.
of course as with last build if you are playing in instant battles, nobody will have any tactics, and 95% of the people in there are AR users, so really what do you expect to get done >.> |
Halador Osiris
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.05.09 13:06:00 -
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UK-Shots wrote:its just ridiculous. never seen anythin like it on any game. Maybe you should try actually playing with your corp. |
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UK-Shots
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Posted - 2013.05.09 13:07:00 -
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imagine you being a new player and joining a server getting pubstomped every game?
or even a lone player that his good stands no chance |
Medic 1879
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.09 13:07:00 -
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UK-Shots wrote:calisk galern wrote:Snipers are your best friend.
if players want to run in a group of 6 and not watch cover( which they never do ) they die, of course at best there's usually only 0-2 competant snipers in a game now...so sucks to be you I guess. a sniper is not the solution
QFT a single sniper may take down 1 or 2 members of a squad but unless they aren't co-ordinating which negates the argument anyway you can bet atleast one is calling out the snipers location calling for a counter snipe. |
UK-Shots
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Posted - 2013.05.09 13:08:00 -
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Halador Osiris wrote:UK-Shots wrote:its just ridiculous. never seen anythin like it on any game. Maybe you should try actually playing with your corp.
i did yesterday.. every oms game finished 75-0 |
Medic 1879
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.09 13:12:00 -
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To people saying the counter to a squad is to squad your self you are right, however think of the poor blueberries who start the game and dont have a corp to squad with and can only join with randoms their first few games are slaughter fests that most people are not going to enjoy. So a mode like mercanary for COD (onlything I like about that game.) would really help out the new guys. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.09 13:13:00 -
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Medic 1879 wrote:UK-Shots wrote:calisk galern wrote:Snipers are your best friend.
if players want to run in a group of 6 and not watch cover( which they never do ) they die, of course at best there's usually only 0-2 competant snipers in a game now...so sucks to be you I guess. a sniper is not the solution QFT a single sniper may take down 1 or 2 members of a squad but unless they aren't co-ordinating which negates the argument anyway you can bet atleast one is calling out the snipers location calling for a counter snipe.
yep no snpier can take down the whole squad we just pick one or two off which should level the field a bit, maybe remove that logi repping the heavy or get rid of that annoying scout shotty, if my team can't do the rest, there's nothing more I can do =/
you have no idea how many times I'll see two guys rush a lonely blue dot, i'll kill one and the blue dot will get the other....well it's not nearly as often as I'll see that one red dot still troll roll the poor blue dot. I just sigh and move on =/ |
UK-Shots
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Posted - 2013.05.09 13:23:00 -
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pretty much a game breaker. i bet this game has lost thousands of players.. through lack of getting a fair game |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.09 13:24:00 -
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UK-Shots wrote:pretty much a game breaker. i bet this game has lost thousands of players.. through lack of getting a fair game
well match making is an old issue, and been discussed alot, didn't think that was your complaint. |
UK-Shots
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Posted - 2013.05.09 13:26:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:UK-Shots wrote:pretty much a game breaker. i bet this game has lost thousands of players.. through lack of getting a fair game well match making is an old issue, and been discussed alot, didn't think that was your complaint.
nothin as been done about it then? |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.09 13:52:00 -
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UK-Shots wrote:calisk galern wrote:UK-Shots wrote:pretty much a game breaker. i bet this game has lost thousands of players.. through lack of getting a fair game well match making is an old issue, and been discussed alot, didn't think that was your complaint. nothin as been done about it then?
yep, I assume they are getting around to it.
the main things I'm behind are meta restrictions on high sec matches.
sp limitations so players with 4mil sp face otehr players with 4mil sp.
I suggested a newbie mode where players get diminishing rewards as their SP goes up. encouraging them to move into other matches with higher end players as they get more used to the game.
as with anything, ccp makes you wait for stuff. |
UK-Shots
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Posted - 2013.05.09 13:55:00 -
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just needs sqaudless servers thats all |
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:08:00 -
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UK-Shots wrote:just needs sqaudless servers thats all
this isn't COD, it's a squad focused game. you are supposed to fight in squads, and something like a squadless game mode would do nothing but teach new players the wrong way to play the game |
UK-Shots
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:12:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:UK-Shots wrote:just needs sqaudless servers thats all this isn't COD, it's a squad focused game. you are supposed to fight in squads, and something like a squadless game mode would do nothing but teach new players the wrong way to play the game
yer your right it isnt a well made game like cod..probably why the dust player count is 1800 right now
well thats rapped up..6 people can go around and ruin the blueberries games.. . thats just because its a sqaud based game aint it |
Kleanur Guy
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:16:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:UK-Shots wrote:just needs sqaudless servers thats all this isn't COD, it's a squad focused game. you are supposed to fight in squads, and something like a squadless game mode would do nothing but teach new players the wrong way to play the game
And playing a game where vsing 10million SP squads every game is good for newberries? We do want casuals in this game, not just hardcore FW peeps everywhere. ATM its rediculously boring to play solo in this game (because I do it) and 4 man squads were bad enough, you're telling me I have to vs squads of 6 good players? Okay I'll go militia snipe in the redline because thats the solution according to Calisk |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:22:00 -
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good matchmaking would help. 6 man squad is no issue if everyone was rocking same gear. Just got off game with my team being all noobs and all wanting to go solo. Needless to say we got slaughtered. I kept trying to get our team moral up, by trying to keep the push foward. even switching to proto 2 times. I went 0-11. first time in the year and change I've been playing dust.
I need a hug. ....ladies? |
Fargen Icehole
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:23:00 -
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UK-Shots wrote:its just ridiculous. never seen anythin like it on any game.
You never played MAG did you. It was pretty common to see groups of 8 or more (once clan deploy was implemented)
Or even BF3. I saw a group of 4 clan members in every other match I played. Would have been more, except grouping of 4 is all that BF3 allowed. (for PS3)
Same games are more "squad-friendly" ... meaning they GENERALLY require more teamwork to be effective. This means you're more likely to see ppl grouping up. The reason you don't see it as much in COD, is because it's easier to just run and gun by yourself.
Edit: BTW, it's just luck of the draw. I'm pretty inpatient, so if I have to wait more than 2min for a squad, I run solo for bit. When I run solo, there are days where I may only see a squaded group a couple times. Then other days, it seems like almost EVERY match, I'm going against full squads. Just depends on your luck too. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:25:00 -
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Kleanur Guy wrote:calisk galern wrote:UK-Shots wrote:just needs sqaudless servers thats all this isn't COD, it's a squad focused game. you are supposed to fight in squads, and something like a squadless game mode would do nothing but teach new players the wrong way to play the game And playing a game where vsing 10million SP squads every game is good for newberries? We do want casuals in this game, not just hardcore FW peeps everywhere. ATM its rediculously boring to play solo in this game (because I do it) and 4 man squads were bad enough, you're telling me I have to vs squads of 6 good players? Okay I'll go militia snipe in the redline because thats the solution according to Calisk
I said a good sniper is your friend and is an answer to reckless groups of corps moving as a blob, militia snipers are definitely not the answer to anything, militia gear in general is not the answer to anything it is garbage an should only be used while you work up to real gear, of course that's when I thought his complaint was that he couldn't solo 6 man squads, it later turned into a discussion on match making.
I've since then already posted my favorite suggestions for the match making issue. |
UK-Shots
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:27:00 -
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Fargen Icehole wrote:UK-Shots wrote:its just ridiculous. never seen anythin like it on any game. You never played MAG did you. It was pretty common to see groups of 8 or more (once clan deploy was implemented) Or even BF3. I saw a group of 4 clan members in every other match I played. Would have been more, except grouping of 4 is all that BF3 allowed. (for PS3) Same games are more "squad-friendly" ... meaning they GENERALLY require more teamwork to be effective. This means you're more likely to see ppl grouping up. The reason you don't see it as much in COD, is because it's easier to just run and gun by yourself.
played mag../probably the worst game ive ever brought. bf3 was no where near as bad as dust.. |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:38:00 -
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UK-Shots wrote:Fargen Icehole wrote:UK-Shots wrote:its just ridiculous. never seen anythin like it on any game. You never played MAG did you. It was pretty common to see groups of 8 or more (once clan deploy was implemented) Or even BF3. I saw a group of 4 clan members in every other match I played. Would have been more, except grouping of 4 is all that BF3 allowed. (for PS3) Same games are more "squad-friendly" ... meaning they GENERALLY require more teamwork to be effective. This means you're more likely to see ppl grouping up. The reason you don't see it as much in COD, is because it's easier to just run and gun by yourself. played mag../probably the worst game ive ever brought. bf3 was no where near as bad as dust..//stacked servers are frequent on dust ..and you pretty much have to deal with 5 or 6 people shooring you at the same time
Hey don't be hasty. You probably would hate socom too. Thing is you can't solo here. I've played it all, And when you do try and solo (even with good intentions as in trying to carry team) you will go 0-11. YOU DON"T CARRY TEAMS IN TEAM FPS. SQUADS DO. in BF you can take out a 4 person squad solo. Not here. Not in mag. even less in socom. |
Kleanur Guy
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:39:00 -
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UK-Shots wrote:Fargen Icehole wrote:UK-Shots wrote:its just ridiculous. never seen anythin like it on any game. You never played MAG did you. It was pretty common to see groups of 8 or more (once clan deploy was implemented) Or even BF3. I saw a group of 4 clan members in every other match I played. Would have been more, except grouping of 4 is all that BF3 allowed. (for PS3) Same games are more "squad-friendly" ... meaning they GENERALLY require more teamwork to be effective. This means you're more likely to see ppl grouping up. The reason you don't see it as much in COD, is because it's easier to just run and gun by yourself. played mag../probably the worst game ive ever brought. bf3 was no where near as bad as dust..//stacked servers are frequent on dust ..and you pretty much have to deal with 5 or 6 people shooring you at the same time
You didn't even need a squad of 4 to win a BF3 pub match, 1 good player would do it. |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:40:00 -
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Kleanur Guy wrote:UK-Shots wrote:Fargen Icehole wrote:UK-Shots wrote:its just ridiculous. never seen anythin like it on any game. You never played MAG did you. It was pretty common to see groups of 8 or more (once clan deploy was implemented) Or even BF3. I saw a group of 4 clan members in every other match I played. Would have been more, except grouping of 4 is all that BF3 allowed. (for PS3) Same games are more "squad-friendly" ... meaning they GENERALLY require more teamwork to be effective. This means you're more likely to see ppl grouping up. The reason you don't see it as much in COD, is because it's easier to just run and gun by yourself. played mag../probably the worst game ive ever brought. bf3 was no where near as bad as dust..//stacked servers are frequent on dust ..and you pretty much have to deal with 5 or 6 people shooring you at the same time You didn't even need a squad of 4 to win a BF3 pub match, 1 good player would do it.
+1 to you, cause I just said the same too. |
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mikegunnz
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:45:00 -
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Kleanur Guy wrote:
You didn't even need a squad of 4 to win a BF3 pub match, 1 good player would do it.
In many pubs sure. But even a good player would have a tough time against a decent squad in BF3. (assuming they were sticking together) Problem is, there were ALOT of bad players in BF... just like in DUST. |
UK-Shots
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:46:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:UK-Shots wrote:Fargen Icehole wrote:UK-Shots wrote:its just ridiculous. never seen anythin like it on any game. You never played MAG did you. It was pretty common to see groups of 8 or more (once clan deploy was implemented) Or even BF3. I saw a group of 4 clan members in every other match I played. Would have been more, except grouping of 4 is all that BF3 allowed. (for PS3) Same games are more "squad-friendly" ... meaning they GENERALLY require more teamwork to be effective. This means you're more likely to see ppl grouping up. The reason you don't see it as much in COD, is because it's easier to just run and gun by yourself. played mag../probably the worst game ive ever brought. bf3 was no where near as bad as dust..//stacked servers are frequent on dust ..and you pretty much have to deal with 5 or 6 people shooring you at the same time Hey don't be hasty. You probably would hate socom too. Thing is you can't solo here. I've played it all, And when you do try and solo (even with good intentions as in trying to carry team) you will go 0-11. YOU DON"T CARRY TEAMS IN TEAM FPS. SQUADS DO. in BF you can take out a 4 person squad solo. Not here. Not in mag. even less in socom.
i played socom 3 and CA on ps2..alot ..not on ps3 though ..was crap then. |
total masshole
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:48:00 -
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yea we're definately running out of things to nerf so the 6 man squads should be nerfed next |
Sgt Buttscratch
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:53:00 -
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UK-Shots wrote:KalOfTheRathi wrote:Stacking of corporations?
Not something I have heard of, even down here in the DUST. its a dust game mode thats in every server you join. you run around in groups of 6 and all shoot doobies at the same time...and you all go the whole game without dying cant CCP implement some nice servers where sqauds are not allowed?
I agree with the idea of stopping squads, but only for players below 1.5mil SP. After that, its time to squad up and corp up.
The game is based around these squads, in order for PC to succeed, corps need to be running in death squads, testing tactics and whatnots.
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UK-Shots
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:54:00 -
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total masshole wrote:yea we're definately running out of things to nerf so the 6 man squads should be nerfed next
not saying that 6 man squads should be nerfed.
all i want is a fair game for new players and lone players.
i play alone myself and it aint fun at all ..i could only imagine how it is for new players |
Darkstar Militarius
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.09 15:03:00 -
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It has been said many times before, but this is a team based game. Just like other Team based game. What it is *not* is a Solo Shooter like COD or many others in the same vein. It seems to me your problem comes from not liking Team Based games.
While this should not matter so much to you, being you have a corp behind you, any new player who does not have a corp, can do many things to increase their survivability and their teamwork, even when not running with an organised corp squad.
1. Turn on Team Chat. You don't *have* to have a mic for this, but it helps. If you have no headset, you will still hear team chat through your speakers. This can be vital for co-ordination, and general battlefield awareness. (No bloody excuses about UVT now, even if it wasn't valid for team chat before)
2. Run with Team Members. Don't just rambo off on your own, run with team mates and support the Team.
3. (Outside of Battle) If you do not have a Corp, and do not know anyone in game, open that little magical window on the side called "Chat". Check out your Local chat. Talk in there. Meet people. Post LFS (Looking for Squad) and look for people asking for squad members. (Looking for x and Room for x, LFx and RFx, x being a number or role ofc.)
However, if a person is truly a stubborn mule and wants this to be a Solo Shooter no matter how much the opposite is true, nothing short of an LAV to the back of the head (figuratively ofc) is going to change them, and no, CCP should not have to change their game to support a few stubborn mules. |
UK-Shots
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Posted - 2013.05.09 15:04:00 -
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Darkstar Militarius wrote:It has been said many times before, but this is a team based game. Just like other Team based game. What it is *not* is a Solo Shooter like COD or many others in the same vein. It seems to me your problem comes from not liking Team Based games.
While this should not matter so much to you, being you have a corp behind you, any new player who does not have a corp, can do many things to increase their survivability and their teamwork, even when not running with an organised corp squad.
1. Turn on Team Chat. You don't *have* to have a mic for this, but it helps. If you have no headset, you will still hear team chat through your speakers. This can be vital for co-ordination, and general battlefield awareness. (No bloody excuses about UVT now, even if it wasn't valid for team chat before)
2. Run with Team Members. Don't just rambo off on your own, run with team mates and support the Team.
3. (Outside of Battle) If you do not have a Corp, and do not know anyone in game, open that little magical window on the side called "Chat". Check out your Local chat. Talk in there. Meet people. Post LFS (Looking for Squad) and look for people asking for squad members. (Looking for x and Room for x, LFx and RFx, x being a number or role ofc.)
However, if a person is truly a stubborn mule and wants this to be a Solo Shooter no matter how much the opposite is true, nothing short of an LAV to the back of the head (figuratively ofc) is going to change them, and no, CCP should not have to change their game to support a few stubborn mules.
i understand that its a team based game..but at the end of the day the majority are gonna be going solo |
Darkstar Militarius
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.09 15:13:00 -
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UK-Shots wrote:Darkstar Militarius wrote:It has been said many times before, but this is a team based game. Just like other Team based game. What it is *not* is a Solo Shooter like COD or many others in the same vein. It seems to me your problem comes from not liking Team Based games.
While this should not matter so much to you, being you have a corp behind you, any new player who does not have a corp, can do many things to increase their survivability and their teamwork, even when not running with an organised corp squad.
1. Turn on Team Chat. You don't *have* to have a mic for this, but it helps. If you have no headset, you will still hear team chat through your speakers. This can be vital for co-ordination, and general battlefield awareness. (No bloody excuses about UVT now, even if it wasn't valid for team chat before)
2. Run with Team Members. Don't just rambo off on your own, run with team mates and support the Team.
3. (Outside of Battle) If you do not have a Corp, and do not know anyone in game, open that little magical window on the side called "Chat". Check out your Local chat. Talk in there. Meet people. Post LFS (Looking for Squad) and look for people asking for squad members. (Looking for x and Room for x, LFx and RFx, x being a number or role ofc.)
However, if a person is truly a stubborn mule and wants this to be a Solo Shooter no matter how much the opposite is true, nothing short of an LAV to the back of the head (figuratively ofc) is going to change them, and no, CCP should not have to change their game to support a few stubborn mules. i understand that its a team based game..but at the end of the day the majority are gonna be going solo
"That Majority" don't though. Yeah I get games with random rambos, as we all do. But I have plenty of games, many times, with organised people (not in same corp, not even squadded before match) that go well, there is good teamwork, good communication, and just an overall good game for both sides. I have also run with many a new player, and helped them to learn the ropes. It is something I enjoy doing.
But, from my perspective of what I have seen anyway, The Majority come into this game understanding it is a team based game, even if they aren't running with a team to start with. It is only a few Stubborn Mules who insist this should be a Solo Shooter to appease their appetite, when DUST is damn near as far away from a Solo Shooter as you can get.
It is an MMOFPS. Massively Multiplayer Online First Person Shooter. Set in a consistent, single-shard universe, where your actions matter and finding friends is pretty much essential. This is what DUST is, there is no two ways about that. If people come into the game completely misunderstanding what it is about, well they can either learn (the old Adapt or Die adage) or they can be a bloody stubborn mule and get walked all over. I hate to use the old cliche, but "Welcome to New Eden". |
UK-Shots
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Posted - 2013.05.09 15:16:00 -
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Darkstar Militarius wrote:UK-Shots wrote:Darkstar Militarius wrote:It has been said many times before, but this is a team based game. Just like other Team based game. What it is *not* is a Solo Shooter like COD or many others in the same vein. It seems to me your problem comes from not liking Team Based games.
While this should not matter so much to you, being you have a corp behind you, any new player who does not have a corp, can do many things to increase their survivability and their teamwork, even when not running with an organised corp squad.
1. Turn on Team Chat. You don't *have* to have a mic for this, but it helps. If you have no headset, you will still hear team chat through your speakers. This can be vital for co-ordination, and general battlefield awareness. (No bloody excuses about UVT now, even if it wasn't valid for team chat before)
2. Run with Team Members. Don't just rambo off on your own, run with team mates and support the Team.
3. (Outside of Battle) If you do not have a Corp, and do not know anyone in game, open that little magical window on the side called "Chat". Check out your Local chat. Talk in there. Meet people. Post LFS (Looking for Squad) and look for people asking for squad members. (Looking for x and Room for x, LFx and RFx, x being a number or role ofc.)
However, if a person is truly a stubborn mule and wants this to be a Solo Shooter no matter how much the opposite is true, nothing short of an LAV to the back of the head (figuratively ofc) is going to change them, and no, CCP should not have to change their game to support a few stubborn mules. i understand that its a team based game..but at the end of the day the majority are gonna be going solo "That Majority" don't though. Yeah I get games with random rambos, as we all do. But I have plenty of games, many times, with organised people (not in same corp, not even squadded before match) that go well, there is good teamwork, good communication, and just an overall good game for both sides. I have also run with many a new player, and helped them to learn the ropes. It is something I enjoy doing. But, from my perspective of what I have seen anyway, The Majority come into this game understanding it is a team based game, even if they aren't running with a team to start with. It is only a few Stubborn Mules who insist this should be a Solo Shooter to appease their appetite, when DUST is damn near as far away from a Solo Shooter as you can get. It is an MMOFPS. Massively Multiplayer Online First Person Shooter. Set in a consistent, single-shard universe, where your actions matter and finding friends is pretty much essential. This is what DUST is, there is no two ways about that. If people come into the game completely misunderstanding what it is about, well they can either learn (the old Adapt or Die adage) or they can be a bloody stubborn mule and get walked all over. I hate to use the old cliche, but "Welcome to New Eden".
i give up seriously.. you people are so narrow minded
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Kleanur Guy
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
209
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Posted - 2013.05.09 15:20:00 -
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Im completely fine with going solo, I have 5 million SP, good gear and have a pretty good KD doing so. A person completely new coming in to the game, vsing 6 man squads of 5+ KD players and 5+million SP in most games, that doesn't sound very enjoyable as a new player. |
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Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
151
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Posted - 2013.05.09 15:38:00 -
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Part of the problem is simply that new players have no idea WHY the ass kicking just happened. I can warn my buddies who dont play much "hey we are going to get rolled here, so just try to do what you can and take it lightly, there isnt much you can do about it."
A decent player can A) mitigate the damage from stacked team by playing less agressive and B) be mentally prepared for it, so it wont ruin the game for them.
But a new player doesnt get that warning, they don't know that they lost because the other team was stacked. They will just be destroyed and spawn killed and hate every moment of it.
Im debating whether or not to just have my buddies leave the game if we encouter a stacked corp. Right now I am trying to get them to enjoy it, and going 1-10 against a stacked team, with plenty of spawn deaths, is not a good way to do that. I
A training gametype, with an SP limit might be a good idea. I know the idea is that eventually the pub matches we see now will be that training environment, but I have a hard time buying that PC will require the attention of all the good players all the time.
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Jikt Terlen
Certificate of Participation
14
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Posted - 2013.05.09 15:47:00 -
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Increasing the squad size without increasing the game size (so one squad is now 37.5% of the team instead of 25%) was just a bad idea, and it was obvious this was going to happen.
Pubstomping and redlining were rampant in the last build, and they are essentially assured this build (subject to the luck of the draw, of course). But it's also a game design issue, not just a player skill or SP issue. It's easy to redline on most Skirmish maps, it's very difficult to come back once you are, and orbital strikes just seal the deal. Six-person squads favor big corporations and it's easy to see why they wanted them, but they will already have plenty of opportunities in FW and PC to play all-corporate games, pub games should be more noob-friendly (and/or include a server or game type that is explicitly noob-friendly). |
Odiain Suliis
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
150
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Posted - 2013.05.09 15:58:00 -
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Problem with this "no squads" thing is that it wouldn't resolve anything.
Players from same corporation or heck even just friends, join pubmatch the same time and if they dont get into same team, then tey will leave the match. Once in the match at same side, you would just use corporation voice coms or player created channel to communicate. And you have just undone the whole reason why this "no squads" thing was created.
As long as there is way to coordinate your actions inside a battle with others there will be 'squads' roaming around, be it formalized or not. |
UK-Shots
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
37
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Posted - 2013.05.09 16:20:00 -
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Odiain Suliis wrote:Problem with this "no squads" thing is that it wouldn't resolve anything.
Players from same corporation or heck even just friends, join pubmatch the same time and if they dont get into same team, then tey will leave the match. Once in the match at same side, you would just use corporation voice coms or player created channel to communicate. And you have just undone the whole reason why this "no squads" thing was created. Or if just regular free for all, then 'squading up' becomes even easyer.
As long as there is way to coordinate your actions inside a battle with others there will be 'squads' roaming around, be it formalized or not.
thats aload of crap .when they could of just joined a server that allows them to sqaud |
Kleanur Guy
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
210
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Posted - 2013.05.09 16:23:00 -
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UK-Shots wrote:Odiain Suliis wrote:Problem with this "no squads" thing is that it wouldn't resolve anything.
Players from same corporation or heck even just friends, join pubmatch the same time and if they dont get into same team, then tey will leave the match. Once in the match at same side, you would just use corporation voice coms or player created channel to communicate. And you have just undone the whole reason why this "no squads" thing was created. Or if just regular free for all, then 'squading up' becomes even easyer.
As long as there is way to coordinate your actions inside a battle with others there will be 'squads' roaming around, be it formalized or not. thats aload of crap .when they could of just joined a server that allows them to sqaud
Yep, people won't go through giant hoops just to win a pub match. |
Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
7
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Posted - 2013.05.09 16:29:00 -
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alot cud be solved by changing the default for coms. if u make it so ppl can hear u in the warbarge we will get better squads. blueberries can ask questions, learn each match. as it stands it takes a half hour to explain how to get comms up and running.
once this is established u can work on filling them in on the rest. uprising ruined solo play. ur stuck running squad.
u cud put in a tutorial i guess but i think turning the chat default to on wud be simpler. |
Deluxe Edition
TeamPlayers EoN.
149
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Posted - 2013.05.09 16:29:00 -
[47] - Quote
Dust is a team based game, which should be obvious to any new player in the game. Dust is not a game designed for 12 year olds, after getting stomped by corps the first few games anyone who has the right mindset for this game would go to the forums and check out the corporation recruitment section of the forums and start researching which corporation would be the best fit for them.
In the future instant battles will be the training ground for new players, and if we remove squads from them then we would be doing a disservice to that group.
Furthermore anyone who wants solo que only instant battles should go back to CoD or another generic FPS, because Dust is an MMOFPS with gameplay that is built around teamwork. |
IamI3rian
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
11
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Posted - 2013.05.09 16:34:00 -
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Kleanur Guy wrote:Yep, people won't go through giant hoops just to win a pub match.
This statement couldn't be more wrong. Until there's no sp gain for doing so, people will continue to farm pub matches. There are entire corps devoted to doing exactly this. Some are well known.
It will become even more of a problem if it's more difficult for uncoordinated teams (I.E. actual pub teams) to combat, without the option to squad up.
grouping/squadding is an option that's open to every player. In fact, it's insanely easy to get a corp invite.... just get in the top three as a member of an NPC corp. You'll get offers streaming in. Don't make it easier for certain corps to farm the n00blars simply because said n00blars are too dumb/stubborn to group up.
If CCP were to make all comms inactive on one of these servers, there'd be corps running to Skype to coordinate. There's simply nothing CCP would be able to do to combat this at this stage.
Once there's a few hundred games running at the same time, maybe something can be done then. Until then, this is an issue that isn't going anywhere. It's extremely easy to deploy into the same match. There simply aren't enough going on right now, concurrently. |
Deluxe Edition
TeamPlayers EoN.
149
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Posted - 2013.05.09 16:38:00 -
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IamI3rian wrote:Kleanur Guy wrote:Yep, people won't go through giant hoops just to win a pub match. This statement couldn't be more wrong. Until there's no sp gain for doing so, people will continue to farm pub matches. There are entire corps devoted to doing exactly this. Some are well known. It will become even more of a problem if it's more difficult for uncoordinated teams (I.E. actual pub teams) to combat, without the option to squad up. grouping/squadding is an option that's open to every player. In fact, it's insanely easy to get a corp invite.... just get in the top three as a member of an NPC corp. You'll get offers streaming in. Don't make it easier for certain corps to farm the n00blars simply because said n00blars are too dumb/stubborn to group up. If CCP were to make all comms inactive on one of these servers, there'd be corps running to Skype to coordinate. There's simply nothing CCP would be able to do to combat this at this stage. Once there's a few hundred games running at the same time, maybe something can be done then. Until then, this is an issue that isn't going anywhere. It's extremely easy to deploy into the same match. There simply aren't enough going on right now, concurrently.
They will be able to farm SP in FW and PC, while recieving a much higher payout in ISK doing so. In a few weeks when Faction Warfare and Planetary Conquest is active and working you will see less and less players in players in 6 man sqauds of full proto. I agree its a problem right now but thats only because the content for veteren players hasn't been implemented yet.
Don't worry the beatings will end soon, however take this time to find a good corp so you too can participate in FW and PC when you've geared up enough
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Kleanur Guy
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
210
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Posted - 2013.05.09 16:40:00 -
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IamI3rian wrote:Kleanur Guy wrote:Yep, people won't go through giant hoops just to win a pub match. This statement couldn't be more wrong. Until there's no sp gain for doing so, people will continue to farm pub matches. There are entire corps devoted to doing exactly this. Some are well known. It will become even more of a problem if it's more difficult for uncoordinated teams (I.E. actual pub teams) to combat, without the option to squad up. grouping/squadding is an option that's open to every player. In fact, it's insanely easy to get a corp invite.... just get in the top three as a member of an NPC corp. You'll get offers streaming in. Don't make it easier for certain corps to farm the n00blars simply because said n00blars are too dumb/stubborn to group up. If CCP were to make all comms inactive on one of these servers, there'd be corps running to Skype to coordinate. There's simply nothing CCP would be able to do to combat this at this stage. Once there's a few hundred games running at the same time, maybe something can be done then. Until then, this is an issue that isn't going anywhere. It's extremely easy to deploy into the same match. There simply aren't enough going on right now, concurrently.
I was talking about the no squad thing, you took my comment out of context.... People will no leave que, join que till they get in to the same game, there is no point to that. There would have been the OPTION to play in a squadless match and those 2 ques would be seperate. I am COMPLETELY FINE with how I perform in a pub match solo, I'll take it on the chin 3+ KD isn't that bad, but a new player would definitely not fair the same. Sure they know this game is squad based, so they join an open recruitment corp, doesn't stop the fact that they are vsing 5+KD, 5+ million SP 6 man squads with his measely 500k SP. |
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Dr Stabwounds
Planetary Response Organization
36
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Posted - 2013.05.09 16:51:00 -
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If you are running solo then it's your fault. If even you are you should still be trying to squad hobo onto an existing squad when you get in the match. Get on the mic and tell the damn blueberries to squad up as well. Hell, teach them a thing or 2 and next time they won't be stupid enough to run alone without a reason.
Why aren't you squadding up with your corp? It's not like your still in a starter corp.
"grouping/squadding is an option that's open to every player" - You
Yes it is, there are always squads to join while waiting for the game to start. I do this all the time and have only been booted from a squad once, and that was because I told them to quit crying like babies (we were getting stomped and they were quite butthurt). Most of the time people are shocked you have a mic and welcome the help with obtaining orbitals. - Me |
Kleanur Guy
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
210
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Posted - 2013.05.09 16:54:00 -
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Dr Stabwounds wrote:If you are running solo then it's your fault. If even you are you should still be trying to squad hobo onto an existing squad when you get in the match. Get on the mic and tell the damn blueberries to squad up as well. Hell, teach them a thing or 2 and next time they won't be stupid enough to run alone without a reason.
Why aren't you squadding up with your corp? It's not like your still in a starter corp.
"grouping/squadding is an option that's open to every player" - You
Yes it is, there are always squads to join while waiting for the game to start. I do this all the time and have only been booted from a squad once, and that was because I told them to quit crying like babies (we were getting stomped and they were quite butthurt). Most of the time people are shocked you have a mic and welcome the help with obtaining orbitals. - Me
CCP decided to take a dump on me ever since Codex and make it so that my mic doesn't work, ever. There is no bubble or anything so no it isn't my mic (I wish I could hear someone). I have done the whole port forwarding thing and yes, my settings are correct and work 100% on other games. So that is why I play solo. |
Doyle Reese
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3
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Posted - 2013.05.09 16:56:00 -
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total masshole wrote:yea we're definately running out of things to nerf so the 6 man squads should be nerfed next
to be fair, from the single game I played with my squad as SL, I was getting Orbitals like nobody's business. Was the WP requirements increased at all? lol |
Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
8
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Posted - 2013.05.09 16:59:00 -
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again fix the comms. that strikes at the root of the problem. if we can educate noobs they will want to squad up. it takes alot of effort to explain how to use voice. lotsa thumb typing cause i use a controller. most blueberries ive encountered have no idea there are forums. we have ta explain stuff in game. how can we do that if they cant hear us and dont know how to fix that? ccp shud set the voice chat default to on. and push to talk to off. or provide a non skipable voice tutorial. |
Dr Stabwounds
Planetary Response Organization
36
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Posted - 2013.05.09 17:03:00 -
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Kleanur Guy wrote:Dr Stabwounds wrote:If you are running solo then it's your fault. If even you are you should still be trying to squad hobo onto an existing squad when you get in the match. Get on the mic and tell the damn blueberries to squad up as well. Hell, teach them a thing or 2 and next time they won't be stupid enough to run alone without a reason.
Why aren't you squadding up with your corp? It's not like your still in a starter corp.
"grouping/squadding is an option that's open to every player" - You
Yes it is, there are always squads to join while waiting for the game to start. I do this all the time and have only been booted from a squad once, and that was because I told them to quit crying like babies (we were getting stomped and they were quite butthurt). Most of the time people are shocked you have a mic and welcome the help with obtaining orbitals. - Me CCP decided to take a dump on me ever since Codex and make it so that my mic doesn't work, ever. There is no bubble or anything so no it isn't my mic (I wish I could hear someone). I have done the whole port forwarding thing and yes, my settings are correct and work 100% on other games. So that is why I play solo.
Well that sux, but you can still join an existing squad like I said (hobo squadding). Often when I solo my son is sleeping so I can't use a mic and I've never been booted from a random squad I joined due to no mic.
Also, have you tried other mics and re-syncing the bluetooth? Almost anything with a microphone works with a PS3. |
Chinduko
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
46
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Posted - 2013.05.09 17:11:00 -
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I don't think it's the corp stacking that hurts as much. It's all the prototype gear users which some corps all seem to wear that ruins the game. Some players just aren't skilled enough to run in militia or standard gear so they have to rely on prototype gear in order to beat militia or standard suit wearing players. The player base is so low in the Beta that you'll run into the same corps over and over again. Even when I run in a full squad of corp mates against a full squad of my corp mates, the group with the most prototype gear wins. Having the best equipment to win is how the real world works but in a game which needs absolute balance to keep customers happy, balance is the most important issue not who has the most expensive gear. It's not as big a deal in corp matches or planetary conquest but in pub matches imbalance ruins the game and will cost CCP money when new casual players leave to play a balanced game. All Dust will have left is the few of us that will play planetary conquest and that won't likely pay CCP's bills. |
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