You can't be as specialized as a logi starting out. You can use the militia logi suit, or you can do remote repair with an assault suit until you get medium frame V and can get into your logi suit. Don't see what the issue is.

You can't be as specialized as a logi starting out. You can use the militia logi suit, or you can do remote repair with an assault suit until you get medium frame V and can get into your logi suit. Don't see what the issue is.

Which militia logi suit is that?

Have you ever played any MMOs? You don't start off being good. You start off as a piece of **** who can't get anything done, and you work your way up. For some reason, entitled brats here feel like they should be handed equipment slots when they first start. Suck it up, equip a repair tool, and get the hell out there.

The dark cloud, are you still running HAVs? If so how is it compared to last build?

Seems stupid you need lvl 5 medium frame before you can run basic Logi. This is a bad change, easily solved by adding basic frames with 2 equipment slots, no side arm, and probably 1 less high/low slot.

Adapt or Die

To get in a logi hull in eve (just the hull, not including the mods, support skills, etc) you need racial cruiser V (24 days), signature analysis V, and long range targeting V. 49 days to just to into the hull. Suck it up.

To get in a logi hull in eve (just the hull, not including the mods, support skills, etc) you need racial cruiser V (24 days), signature analysis V, and long range targeting V. 49 days to just to into the hull. Suck it up.

Earn the role? Wtf you on about? You ahve to do nothing to "earn" the assault role or the heavy or the scout. They are all avaible on either light or heavy frame suits. The only suit that doesnt exist as basic frame suit is the logi. Why the hate for logis? You can do every role in the game with basic suits. be it heavy, scout or assault. Logi seems to be the exception these days cause the basic frame suit simply doesnt exist for the role. And the old mimnatar Logi suit is basically a assault like all the others. So "earning your role" doesnt cut it.

there are T1 logi cruisers. Opinion neglegted. Seems like you are moron.

If bad logi is on the field, the entire team suffers because nobody's really getting the expanded support they need.

Noobs will never become good logis if it takes them 2 mill SP just to try it out

Noobs will learn how to not get killed doing something stupid before they get their Logi suits.

Assaults are supposed to die. Heavies are supposed to suck up a lot of damage before they die. The Logi needs to be able to keep both people alive. If bad logi is on the field, the entire team suffers because nobody's really getting the expanded support they need.

I'm a Murder Medic. My Logistics gets run just like an Assault suit because it puts ME in a position to help my squad and my team, rather than hiding behind a bunch of rocks waiting for the firefight to finish.



And the T1 cruisers are far less effective than the specialized T2 Logistics cruisers. You wanna be Logi, work for it. Earn it.


Fight Hard or Die Trying.

Have you ever played any MMOs? You don't start off being good. You start off as a piece of **** who can't get anything done, and you work your way up. For some reason, entitled brats here feel like they should be handed equipment slots when they first start. Suck it up, equip a repair tool, and get the hell out there.

Why is it not possible? Well cause all medium frame basic suits are assaults. All off them and to be precise the only logi suits in the game is either the militia variant OR the specialised suits which require whatever medium frame(amarr/caldari/gallante/minmatar) to lvl 5 and THEN you can spec into logistic suits. This is a massive and huge flaw in the game design. There should be logi suits in the medium basic frame category. New players eventually want to be logis but you need millions of SP to spec into them.

You've missed the point there. In MMOs, every role is available from the start. The warrior, the mage, the rogue, healers, berserkers, dps, etc. It's all available right from the start, and you simply improve the poor base abilities.

There is a disparity in Dust; all the basic classes like tanker, sniper, assault, scout, heavy etc are available from the start. The only exception is the logistics class. And it's impossible for a new player to try out this class, without more than 2million sp invested into it.

To get in a logi hull in eve (just the hull, not including the mods, support skills, etc) you need racial cruiser V (24 days), signature analysis V, and long range targeting V. 49 days to just to into the hull. Suck it up.

You realize that you can fit repair modules and injectors on basic suits, right? The idea is to have general purpose suits for players to start out in, and THEN they can move up into specializations if they want.

Thats the idea alright. Though the issue is that those general purpose frames are technically assault frames sans skill bonus. Calling them basic or general does nothing to the fact that those Frames are no middle ground between two extremes. They provide a fluent and organic improvement for one specilization and go directly counter to the purpose of the other.

What the logis need is either another set of less combat efficient basics with an added eq slot or a reworking of the current basics. I never understood (for a whole of a week that is) how adding bonuses to otherwise identical suits is supposed to be specilization. That branch goes straight up, not sideways.

Edit: Interesting point deserves elaboration



That the point right there. If we stay at the cruisers for a second:

The Osprey is what we need (T1 cruiser, not dedicated but with clear lean to logistics)

The Moa is what we have to work with (T1 cruiser, not dedicated but with clear lean to assault)