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The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1346	Posted - 2013.05.08 14:22:00 - [1] - Quote Why is it not possible? Well cause all medium frame basic suits are assaults. All off them and to be precise the only logi suits in the game is either the militia variant OR the specialised suits which require whatever medium frame(amarr/caldari/gallante/minmatar) to lvl 5 and THEN you can spec into logistic suits. This is a massive and huge flaw in the game design. There should be logi suits in the medium basic frame category. New players eventually want to be logis but you need millions of SP to spec into them.
Halador Osiris Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 283	Posted - 2013.05.08 14:43:00 - [2] - Quote Have you ever played any MMOs? You don't start off being good. You start off as a piece of **** who can't get anything done, and you work your way up. For some reason, entitled brats here feel like they should be handed equipment slots when they first start. Suck it up, equip a repair tool, and get the hell out there.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 65	Posted - 2013.05.08 14:48:00 - [3] - Quote +1 we want back our logi bro
Shyeer Alvarin Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 62	Posted - 2013.05.08 14:49:00 - [4] - Quote Unlike other MMOs, DUST not only has a mechanical skill progression. It also has the player-factor for progression. Start off new and work your way up with nothing. EARN the suit. EARN the role. Fight Hard or Die Trying.
xxMemphis KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 9	Posted - 2013.05.08 14:49:00 - [5] - Quote its not the entitled feel its why do I have to become a proto assault before I can be a basic logi? I have no desire to be an assault guy....I will happily not kill 1 person the whole game and just heal, revive, resupply the entire game. Yet CCP found it important to make me be an assault. You think a type-1 logi suit is better than a proto base assault suit? Based on how you have to skill into it would suggest so yet a proto base assault suit will perform much better than the logi suit that is 300K SP more. So yes use an AUR militia logi suit or sink 2.5 mil SP into becoming a type-1 logi......or just play assault or scout like everyone else.
K9 Wez The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 19	Posted - 2013.05.08 14:51:00 - [6] - Quote The dark cloud, are you still running HAVs? If so how is it compared to last build?
S0LlD SNAKE PLAYSTATION4 34	Posted - 2013.05.08 14:51:00 - [7] - Quote Adapt or Die
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe Planetary Response Organisation 287	Posted - 2013.05.08 14:55:00 - [8] - Quote You can't be as specialized as a logi starting out. You can use the militia logi suit, or you can do remote repair with an assault suit until you get medium frame V and can get into your logi suit. Don't see what the issue is.
Malkai Inos Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 19	Posted - 2013.05.08 15:36:00 - [9] - Quote Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote: You can't be as specialized as a logi starting out. You can use the militia logi suit, or you can do remote repair with an assault suit until you get medium frame V and can get into your logi suit. Don't see what the issue is. You can't be specialized as a logi at all before you get medium frame V and logi I. Sure you can be the guy with the syringe or rep tool but beyond that there's nothing that differentiates a logi fitted base frame from an assault one. If we say that providing ammo is also a logis job, we can consider everyone except uplink guys a logistics. The basic frames provide plenty of room to improve survivability and DPS output. So if you want to be an assault guy you have a nice steady curve of gradual improvement while you gain sp and specilize in your favourite weapon/tank type. But the usefullnes of a logistics suit is primarily determined by his actual logistics capabilities i.e. eq slots and those a are limited to 1 all the way up to proto. As a basic frame logi i don't get to be any better at my job than anyone who decides to put a nanite injector in his fit. Granted, mine will be better but frankly that is not enough "specilization" i believe. I really feel your basic sentiment but i do see an issue here.
Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 151	Posted - 2013.05.08 15:40:00 - [10] - Quote Something still needs to be done about how the basic line of suits are exactly the same as the assault line of suits. Either give the assaults more or give the basics less. It's stupid for all those who want to go into the Assault role that you're basically spending 3 million skill points for 25% shield recharge rate and your racial bonus.

NewOldMan KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 22	Posted - 2013.05.08 15:45:00 - [11] - Quote For everyone saying that you need to play as a militia logi to start out then get into the skill. Then ALL basic frame suits need to be removed.
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1352	Posted - 2013.05.08 15:59:00 - [12] - Quote Earn the role? Wtf you on about? You ahve to do nothing to "earn" the assault role or the heavy or the scout. They are all avaible on either light or heavy frame suits. The only suit that doesnt exist as basic frame suit is the logi. Why the hate for logis? You can do every role in the game with basic suits. be it heavy, scout or assault. Logi seems to be the exception these days cause the basic frame suit simply doesnt exist for the role. And the old mimnatar Logi suit is basically a assault like all the others. So "earning your role" doesnt cut it.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 45	Posted - 2013.05.08 16:00:00 - [13] - Quote Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote: You can't be as specialized as a logi starting out. You can use the militia logi suit, or you can do remote repair with an assault suit until you get medium frame V and can get into your logi suit. Don't see what the issue is. Which militia logi suit is that?
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1352	Posted - 2013.05.08 16:04:00 - [14] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote: You can't be as specialized as a logi starting out. You can use the militia logi suit, or you can do remote repair with an assault suit until you get medium frame V and can get into your logi suit. Don't see what the issue is. Which militia logi suit is that? There is none. The only militia logi suit is the skinweave minmatar. Comes with 2 equipment slots which makes it probs worth 100 million ISK.
F54423 Hand of Azrael 12	Posted - 2013.05.08 16:05:00 - [15] - Quote Halador Osiris wrote: Have you ever played any MMOs? You don't start off being good. You start off as a piece of **** who can't get anything done, and you work your way up. For some reason, entitled brats here feel like they should be handed equipment slots when they first start. Suck it up, equip a repair tool, and get the hell out there. This.
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1352	Posted - 2013.05.08 16:08:00 - [16] - Quote K9 Wez wrote: The dark cloud, are you still running HAVs? If so how is it compared to last build? Yes im still driving tanks. But the main turret is glitched so you cant shot something above you (appearently a bug), vehicle engineering is bugged so you dont get the PG that you need to fit your tank. To top it shield tanks are now a bit slower then last build, railguns got nerfed, missiles a bit buffed and have the use of anti armor tank weapon.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 240	Posted - 2013.05.08 16:08:00 - [17] - Quote ITT Assault players who don't give a **** about logis. "earn your role", funny how assault guys didn't have to do that
xLTShinySidesx UNOBTANIUM INC General Tso's Alliance 43	Posted - 2013.05.08 16:14:00 - [18] - Quote I'm not a logi and I noticed this as well... Seems pretty stupid that logis and assaults are "medium frame" yet in basic medium frame suits there's only assault.. I would be pissed had I wanted a logi suit. All the people fighting the op on this, put yourself in his shoes, imagine you couldn't have any assault suits until you do the racial skills as well.. I would be running militia right now instead of proto, seems a little unfair. Fix this CCP, everyone else gets to run "basic suits" except for logi!
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2073	Posted - 2013.05.08 16:15:00 - [19] - Quote Seems stupid you need lvl 5 medium frame before you can run basic Logi. This is a bad change, easily solved by adding basic frames with 2 equipment slots, no side arm, and probably 1 less high/low slot.
xLTShinySidesx UNOBTANIUM INC General Tso's Alliance 43	Posted - 2013.05.08 16:17:00 - [20] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Seems stupid you need lvl 5 medium frame before you can run basic Logi. This is a bad change, easily solved by adding basic frames with 2 equipment slots, no side arm, and probably 1 less high/low slot. Not even that... You have to have at least lvl 1 racial logi on top of med frame lvl 5 and that's just to run the basic crap where as assaults like me can run proto basics without even having racial ds skills.

xxMemphis KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 10	Posted - 2013.05.08 16:20:00 - [21] - Quote S0LlD SNAKE wrote: Adapt or Die Is this your answer to everything? "earn your role" thing makes me laugh. Earn what? The right to provide equipment to the self proclaimed assault gods? Earn the right to play a support role? In order to earn the role of support I must play a non-supportive role??? I am pretty sure it would be more useful to have a basic logi suit that has limited armor/shields and limited slots (2H, 2L, 2 equipment) that would be a basic logi build. My Sever Logi suit cost more SP than your proto assault build so it should be better right? I mean I earned it and everything so why is it so much worse than the proto base suit I had to get first???
Malkai Inos Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 19	Posted - 2013.05.08 16:29:00 - [22] - Quote Can anyone imagine why it could be a bad idea to make the specialized skills increase in tandem with the basic ones like this?: I special needs I basic II special needs II basic n special needs n basic That way you could even decide to go Basic Proto faster or Specialized Proto later. I'm sure CCP thought about this...
Mr Belvedear Gentlemen's Foreign Legion Gentlemen's Agreement 6	Posted - 2013.05.08 16:44:00 - [23] - Quote To get in a logi hull in eve (just the hull, not including the mods, support skills, etc) you need racial cruiser V (24 days), signature analysis V, and long range targeting V. 49 days to just to into the hull. Suck it up.
xLTShinySidesx UNOBTANIUM INC General Tso's Alliance 43	Posted - 2013.05.08 16:51:00 - [24] - Quote Mr Belvedear wrote: To get in a logi hull in eve (just the hull, not including the mods, support skills, etc) you need racial cruiser V (24 days), signature analysis V, and long range targeting V. 49 days to just to into the hull. Suck it up. This isn't eve, support suits should be available the same as all others but instead the sp is almost twice as high for a proto suit.. Ccp is acting like these logi suits are hands and feet above everything else.. They're not. There is a necessity for the logi support role but that seems to have been almost taken away, between the new rezz method and sp it takes to even get a suit, is it even worth it? It needs a fix!
Vane Arcadia Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 124	Posted - 2013.05.08 17:10:00 - [25] - Quote Logi is a specialized role in Eve Natural Eve Progression would be Frigates Cruiser Advanced Cruiser which could be HACS or Logi I see no problem with logi being a specialized role in Dust.
xxMERIDAxx On-Sight-Response 0	Posted - 2013.05.08 17:15:00 - [26] - Quote sorry to the new players that cant be logis from the start,I had a logi bp and 8 mill sp and im still not as badass a logi as I was,oh well,will have to play the game I guess.
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1354	Posted - 2013.05.08 17:43:00 - [27] - Quote Mr Belvedear wrote: To get in a logi hull in eve (just the hull, not including the mods, support skills, etc) you need racial cruiser V (24 days), signature analysis V, and long range targeting V. 49 days to just to into the hull. Suck it up. there are T1 logi cruisers. Opinion neglegted. Seems like you are moron.
Shyeer Alvarin Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 66	Posted - 2013.05.08 17:53:00 - [28] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Earn the role? Wtf you on about? You ahve to do nothing to "earn" the assault role or the heavy or the scout. They are all avaible on either light or heavy frame suits. The only suit that doesnt exist as basic frame suit is the logi. Why the hate for logis? You can do every role in the game with basic suits. be it heavy, scout or assault. Logi seems to be the exception these days cause the basic frame suit simply doesnt exist for the role. And the old mimnatar Logi suit is basically a assault like all the others. So "earning your role" doesnt cut it. Assaults are supposed to die. Heavies are supposed to suck up a lot of damage before they die. The Logi needs to be able to keep both people alive. If bad logi is on the field, the entire team suffers because nobody's really getting the expanded support they need. I'm a Murder Medic. My Logistics gets run just like an Assault suit because it puts ME in a position to help my squad and my team, rather than hiding behind a bunch of rocks waiting for the firefight to finish. Quote: there are T1 logi cruisers. Opinion neglegted. Seems like you are moron. And the T1 cruisers are far less effective than the specialized T2 Logistics cruisers. You wanna be Logi, work for it. Earn it. Fight Hard or Die Trying.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 244	Posted - 2013.05.08 17:55:00 - [29] - Quote Shyeer Alvarin wrote: If bad logi is on the field, the entire team suffers because nobody's really getting the expanded support they need. Noobs will never become good logis if it takes them 2 mill SP just to try it out
Shyeer Alvarin Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 66	Posted - 2013.05.08 17:56:00 - [30] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Shyeer Alvarin wrote: If bad logi is on the field, the entire team suffers because nobody's really getting the expanded support they need. Noobs will never become good logis if it takes them 2 mill SP just to try it out Noobs will learn how to not get killed doing something stupid before they get their Logi suits.



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