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matsumoto yuichi san
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:40:00 -
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just to bring it up
viziam damage from 20-15 needed
heat rate 14.4-18.9 i guess i can accept, makes sense
overheat damage 125 - 225 seems harsh but ok
also seems to ramp up damage slower :(
edit: forgot this, also seizes longer
but the biggest thing
the irons suck
i could even accept the actual sights
but the blue glow
really really sucks
with no contrast and irons that obscure the target and everything else
it just seems severe
open to any constructive talking :)
i'm going to continue to use it because i specked into it, but in comparison to the TAR which is now ~70dmg and no overheat and better range, the kick makes up for some of that, not sure it's a good parity though |
Ops Fox
ZionTCD
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:42:00 -
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The stat nerf was enough, they should have seen how that did before they touched it any more. |
KalOfTheRathi
Talon Strike Force LTD
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:43:00 -
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Hey! Switch to Heavy while you have the chance. You will love it.
Or not.
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Creedair Talor
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.08 00:34:00 -
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All stats i agree with it needed the less damage more feedback damage for overheating and more overheat to make amarr suits viable choice, the sight is bad though i fired down site and could get a idea what was around the tip of it. Now i just see the gun and the gun unless im pointing straight at a guy then he needs a quick left right jerk and i lost him at the edges of the fat scope, stat change first then add sight. Change to much to fast and this happens. Another thing do not put skills for new weapons then do not seed them stupid move at least a milita would have been nice. |
Greasepalms
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.05.08 03:25:00 -
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Stats and the irons seem ok to me but that blue flash has got to go, or get toned down.
Pretty hard to keep an eye on the heat meter, strafe, and see through the glow in order to keep that thing steady, all at the same time. |
matsumoto yuichi san
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.05.08 17:37:00 -
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to bring an example from another thread
http://i.imgur.com/vkodx19.jpg
yeah. it's that bad
and the TAR gets a decent scope now apparently even though they are same role ?
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Your Absolut End
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.05.08 17:56:00 -
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matsumoto yuichi san wrote:to bring an example from another thread http://i.imgur.com/vkodx19.jpgyeah. it's that bad and the TAR gets a decent scope now apparently even though they are same role ?
And bigger range, and more dmg in overall if you look at the "heat up" on the laser.
I mean seriously, it's not that the laser is now bad, it's just that this TAR thing pops out so much in the mass of nerfed weapons as the one and only winner. |
matsumoto yuichi san
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.05.08 18:11:00 -
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Your Absolut End wrote:And bigger range, and more dmg in overall if you look at the "heat up" on the laser.
I mean seriously, it's not that the laser is now bad, it's just that this TAR thing pops out so much in the mass of nerfed weapons as the one and only winner.
agreed there
i was using my exile and it felt fine
and using the laser almost works
except everyone who is anyone is using the duvolle tactical because it is now so damn good
but i made a choice for a non AR weapon because i want a role that isn't 100% cookie cutter, and almost regret it |
jeanmiaou
What The French
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.10 05:36:00 -
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change the ******* mir and the blue flash!!
give me a viewfinder *4 or red point !! |
Sev Kimura
Planetary Response Organization
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Posted - 2013.05.10 06:32:00 -
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Yeh, when CCP nerfs something, they do it hard..... The laser needed a nerf, but jesus, they nerf bat the crap out of the laser so bad, it's close to useless. |
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Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.05.10 06:47:00 -
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I haven't used lasers yet, but I can help you out with some ideas on how you can use them in their current state.
If you're not familiar with EVE lore, lasers are EM weapons by design. Massive damage to shields, but they choke on armor. A corp mate of mine has fully speced into the laser, proficiency at all and has had massive success with harassing and area denial. There are a lot of highly shield buffered suits out there and just melting their shields will make them think twice about advancing on you and your squad. One tactic that our squads have incorporated is to simply pin down the enemy in choke points long enough for scouts and heavies to get into their optimal range.
Unfortunately the laser isn't the powerhouse it used to be, but it's become an excellent support weapon. Even better than the mass driver in it's nerfed state. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2013.05.10 08:33:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:I haven't used lasers yet, but I can help you out with some ideas on how you can use them in their current state.
If you're not familiar with EVE lore, lasers are EM weapons by design. Massive damage to shields, but they choke on armor. A corp mate of mine has fully speced into the laser, proficiency at all and has had massive success with harassing and area denial. There are a lot of highly shield buffered suits out there and just melting their shields will make them think twice about advancing on you and your squad. One tactic that our squads have incorporated is to simply pin down the enemy in choke points long enough for scouts and heavies to get into their optimal range.
Unfortunately the laser isn't the powerhouse it used to be, but it's become an excellent support weapon. Even better than the mass driver in it's nerfed state.
I use my LR for crowd control, dropping shields at distance and as a pointer so my better shot squad mates can blast them. I really can't do any of those things now because I am out ranged by ARs. The extra damage from overheat is rough but manageable and quite fast but I can handle it because I didn't spec into any suit that has a bonus in those areas. Reduced glow of the laser beam and an increase in range would really do the LR good. I can live with the rest of the drawbacks. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.05.10 08:46:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Cosgar wrote:I haven't used lasers yet, but I can help you out with some ideas on how you can use them in their current state.
If you're not familiar with EVE lore, lasers are EM weapons by design. Massive damage to shields, but they choke on armor. A corp mate of mine has fully speced into the laser, proficiency at all and has had massive success with harassing and area denial. There are a lot of highly shield buffered suits out there and just melting their shields will make them think twice about advancing on you and your squad. One tactic that our squads have incorporated is to simply pin down the enemy in choke points long enough for scouts and heavies to get into their optimal range.
Unfortunately the laser isn't the powerhouse it used to be, but it's become an excellent support weapon. Even better than the mass driver in it's nerfed state. I use my LR for crowd control, dropping shields at distance and as a pointer so my better shot squad mates can blast them. I really can't do any of those things now because I am out ranged by ARs. The extra damage from overheat is rough but manageable and quite fast but I can handle it because I didn't spec into any suit that has a bonus in those areas. Reduced glow of the laser beam and an increase in range would really do the LR good. I can live with the rest of the drawbacks.
Yeah, range is kind of an issue since the now more viable TAR can out range the laser. I really think that weapon should be taken out of the AR class lower ROF and become the Caldari Gauss Rifle. Anyway, the laser could use a bit more range and from what my friend said, with the iron sight you can't even see if you're hitting anything. |
KalOfTheRathi
Talon Strike Force LTD
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.10 12:38:00 -
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Welcome to the Dreaded Wang Nerf Hammer Of Doom. At least it wasn't the Ninja version. That one is much worse.
And welcome to New Eden where the game you loved becomes ... well, not the game you loved. |
matsumoto yuichi san
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.05.10 13:18:00 -
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as an aside i found i can janky get the weapon to work by having my sensitivity low on the mouser, and NEVER, and i mean NEVER using the irons,
but that's with 2 damage mods
and i still have issues with TAR raping me
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