DUST Search - Lasers nerf, expected but so much ?

The Robot Devil wrote:

Cosgar wrote:

I haven't used lasers yet, but I can help you out with some ideas on how you can use them in their current state.

If you're not familiar with EVE lore, lasers are EM weapons by design. Massive damage to shields, but they choke on armor. A corp mate of mine has fully speced into the laser, proficiency at all and has had massive success with harassing and area denial. There are a lot of highly shield buffered suits out there and just melting their shields will make them think twice about advancing on you and your squad. One tactic that our squads have incorporated is to simply pin down the enemy in choke points long enough for scouts and heavies to get into their optimal range.
Unfortunately the laser isn't the powerhouse it used to be, but it's become an excellent support weapon. Even better than the mass driver in it's nerfed state.

I use my LR for crowd control, dropping shields at distance and as a pointer so my better shot squad mates can blast them. I really can't do any of those things now because I am out ranged by ARs. The extra damage from overheat is rough but manageable and quite fast but I can handle it because I didn't spec into any suit that has a bonus in those areas. Reduced glow of the laser beam and an increase in range would really do the LR good. I can live with the rest of the drawbacks.

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matsumoto yuichi san SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 0	Posted - 2013.05.07 23:40:00 - [1] - Quote just to bring it up viziam damage from 20-15 needed heat rate 14.4-18.9 i guess i can accept, makes sense overheat damage 125 - 225 seems harsh but ok also seems to ramp up damage slower :( edit: forgot this, also seizes longer but the biggest thing the irons suck i could even accept the actual sights but the blue glow really really sucks with no contrast and irons that obscure the target and everything else it just seems severe open to any constructive talking :) i'm going to continue to use it because i specked into it, but in comparison to the TAR which is now ~70dmg and no overheat and better range, the kick makes up for some of that, not sure it's a good parity though
Ops Fox ZionTCD Unclaimed. 240	Posted - 2013.05.07 23:42:00 - [2] - Quote The stat nerf was enough, they should have seen how that did before they touched it any more.
KalOfTheRathi Talon Strike Force LTD Orion Empire 417	Posted - 2013.05.07 23:43:00 - [3] - Quote Hey! Switch to Heavy while you have the chance. You will love it. Or not.
Creedair Talor The Phoenix Federation 6	Posted - 2013.05.08 00:34:00 - [4] - Quote All stats i agree with it needed the less damage more feedback damage for overheating and more overheat to make amarr suits viable choice, the sight is bad though i fired down site and could get a idea what was around the tip of it. Now i just see the gun and the gun unless im pointing straight at a guy then he needs a quick left right jerk and i lost him at the edges of the fat scope, stat change first then add sight. Change to much to fast and this happens. Another thing do not put skills for new weapons then do not seed them stupid move at least a milita would have been nice.
Greasepalms Ahrendee Mercenaries 105	Posted - 2013.05.08 03:25:00 - [5] - Quote Stats and the irons seem ok to me but that blue flash has got to go, or get toned down. Pretty hard to keep an eye on the heat meter, strafe, and see through the glow in order to keep that thing steady, all at the same time.
matsumoto yuichi san SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 0	Posted - 2013.05.08 17:37:00 - [6] - Quote to bring an example from another thread http://i.imgur.com/vkodx19.jpg yeah. it's that bad and the TAR gets a decent scope now apparently even though they are same role ?
Your Absolut End SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 43	Posted - 2013.05.08 17:56:00 - [7] - Quote matsumoto yuichi san wrote: to bring an example from another thread http://i.imgur.com/vkodx19.jpg yeah. it's that bad and the TAR gets a decent scope now apparently even though they are same role ? And bigger range, and more dmg in overall if you look at the "heat up" on the laser. I mean seriously, it's not that the laser is now bad, it's just that this TAR thing pops out so much in the mass of nerfed weapons as the one and only winner.
matsumoto yuichi san SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 0	Posted - 2013.05.08 18:11:00 - [8] - Quote Your Absolut End wrote: And bigger range, and more dmg in overall if you look at the "heat up" on the laser. I mean seriously, it's not that the laser is now bad, it's just that this TAR thing pops out so much in the mass of nerfed weapons as the one and only winner. agreed there i was using my exile and it felt fine and using the laser almost works except everyone who is anyone is using the duvolle tactical because it is now so damn good but i made a choice for a non AR weapon because i want a role that isn't 100% cookie cutter, and almost regret it
jeanmiaou What The French CRONOS. 2	Posted - 2013.05.10 05:36:00 - [9] - Quote change the ******* mir and the blue flash!! give me a viewfinder *4 or red point !!
Sev Kimura Planetary Response Organization 92	Posted - 2013.05.10 06:32:00 - [10] - Quote Yeh, when CCP nerfs something, they do it hard..... The laser needed a nerf, but jesus, they nerf bat the crap out of the laser so bad, it's close to useless.

Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 620	Posted - 2013.05.10 06:47:00 - [11] - Quote I haven't used lasers yet, but I can help you out with some ideas on how you can use them in their current state. If you're not familiar with EVE lore, lasers are EM weapons by design. Massive damage to shields, but they choke on armor. A corp mate of mine has fully speced into the laser, proficiency at all and has had massive success with harassing and area denial. There are a lot of highly shield buffered suits out there and just melting their shields will make them think twice about advancing on you and your squad. One tactic that our squads have incorporated is to simply pin down the enemy in choke points long enough for scouts and heavies to get into their optimal range. Unfortunately the laser isn't the powerhouse it used to be, but it's become an excellent support weapon. Even better than the mass driver in it's nerfed state.
The Robot Devil BetaMax. CRONOS. 215	Posted - 2013.05.10 08:33:00 - [12] - Quote Cosgar wrote: I haven't used lasers yet, but I can help you out with some ideas on how you can use them in their current state. If you're not familiar with EVE lore, lasers are EM weapons by design. Massive damage to shields, but they choke on armor. A corp mate of mine has fully speced into the laser, proficiency at all and has had massive success with harassing and area denial. There are a lot of highly shield buffered suits out there and just melting their shields will make them think twice about advancing on you and your squad. One tactic that our squads have incorporated is to simply pin down the enemy in choke points long enough for scouts and heavies to get into their optimal range. Unfortunately the laser isn't the powerhouse it used to be, but it's become an excellent support weapon. Even better than the mass driver in it's nerfed state. I use my LR for crowd control, dropping shields at distance and as a pointer so my better shot squad mates can blast them. I really can't do any of those things now because I am out ranged by ARs. The extra damage from overheat is rough but manageable and quite fast but I can handle it because I didn't spec into any suit that has a bonus in those areas. Reduced glow of the laser beam and an increase in range would really do the LR good. I can live with the rest of the drawbacks.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 624	Posted - 2013.05.10 08:46:00 - [13] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Cosgar wrote: I haven't used lasers yet, but I can help you out with some ideas on how you can use them in their current state. If you're not familiar with EVE lore, lasers are EM weapons by design. Massive damage to shields, but they choke on armor. A corp mate of mine has fully speced into the laser, proficiency at all and has had massive success with harassing and area denial. There are a lot of highly shield buffered suits out there and just melting their shields will make them think twice about advancing on you and your squad. One tactic that our squads have incorporated is to simply pin down the enemy in choke points long enough for scouts and heavies to get into their optimal range. Unfortunately the laser isn't the powerhouse it used to be, but it's become an excellent support weapon. Even better than the mass driver in it's nerfed state. I use my LR for crowd control, dropping shields at distance and as a pointer so my better shot squad mates can blast them. I really can't do any of those things now because I am out ranged by ARs. The extra damage from overheat is rough but manageable and quite fast but I can handle it because I didn't spec into any suit that has a bonus in those areas. Reduced glow of the laser beam and an increase in range would really do the LR good. I can live with the rest of the drawbacks. Yeah, range is kind of an issue since the now more viable TAR can out range the laser. I really think that weapon should be taken out of the AR class lower ROF and become the Caldari Gauss Rifle. Anyway, the laser could use a bit more range and from what my friend said, with the iron sight you can't even see if you're hitting anything.
KalOfTheRathi Talon Strike Force LTD Orion Empire 431	Posted - 2013.05.10 12:38:00 - [14] - Quote Welcome to the Dreaded Wang Nerf Hammer Of Doom. At least it wasn't the Ninja version. That one is much worse. And welcome to New Eden where the game you loved becomes ... well, not the game you loved.
matsumoto yuichi san SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 1	Posted - 2013.05.10 13:18:00 - [15] - Quote as an aside i found i can janky get the weapon to work by having my sensitivity low on the mouser, and NEVER, and i mean NEVER using the irons, but that's with 2 damage mods and i still have issues with TAR raping me


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