What's the point of having weapons and classes if an entire squad can be countered by one guy with a viziam and damage mods? Or if you can drilld by an assault rifle before he's in range of your much bigger chain gun? The list goes on... but basically it defeats the purpose of the game to have the ridiculous ranges we saw in the last build.

You be trollin'

Range was never the issue, it was the fact AR's had 0 recoil and were still dead nuts accurate at range.

But I like how this build is done for all weapons other than HMG

Why is everyone on these forums terrified of the game changing even when it sorely needed it. This is a new stepping stone that will have it's own bumps and pitfalls. Man up people, its far from "ruined" or "broken" but does require you to play a little differently.

It's amazing how quickly people forget how trashy some past builds were. Nostalgia I guess.

SS was broken, shouldn't have existed, taking it out was one of the good things about this build. The nerf on range outside of SS is the problem, and the additional nerfs to HMGs, MDs, and Lasers were overkill.

If a guy with a viziam is drilling your squad, you would be able to fire back. Thats the neat thing about bullets that don't disappear -- you can have a weapon that is effective at range but isn't invincible.

Unfortunately, simpleton Dust players have trouble wrapping their minds around that concept.

If you want to whine about realism then why not make the HMG bullets do the same (or more) damage than the AR bullets and have the same (or longer) range?

What's the point of having weapons and classes if an entire squad can be countered by one guy with a viziam and damage mods?

You mean the Viziam which had a typo in its damage stats and was meant to deal 25% less damage than it did? That Viziam? A large part of the problem with the Viziam was totally unrelated to the range it could hit. Sharpshooter proficiency didn't help, but it wasn't the only problem.

Removing range bonuses from Sharpshooter, and limiting it to specific weapons is a GOOD CHANGE. It's an improvement, not a fail. But they DO need to increase the range on almost every weapon by a decent margin. EVERYTHING has had a hard range nerf by the loss of SS, and should have been tweaked up by at least 5%, maybe as much as 10%. HMGs got a range NERF instead, which was utterly ridiculous when the only time they were a credible threat at any kind of range is when they had SS maxed out and were a few steps into Proficiency.

It's not an issue of realism.

It's the issue of the game sucking.

See: Every other FPS in existence. Does not do this. Why? Because its a dumbass idea and it pisses a lot of people off.

Last time I checked, Halo wasn't all that realistic. Frankly, neither is CoD or Battlefield. They still don't do idiotic things like make their shots disappear.

Last time I checked, Halo wasn't all that realistic. Frankly, neither is CoD or Battlefield. They still don't do idiotic things like make their shots disappear.

The excessive range that we had ruined the game, spending all day shooting at pixels was pretty boring, least now you have to get in close and out of most peoples comfort zone "What? I have to get near him? b-but..he might shoot back"

People are angry because they no longer have such a massive advantage over new players and are doing worse because of it.

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The only people who take issue with hitting a smaller target are unskilled scrubs who suck at every game they touch and are looking to Dust to level the playing field so they can feel relevant.

Sorry but if you suck you shouldn't get a free pass. That sort of defeats the purpose of competitive gaming.

And no, forcing the engagement closer isn't going to make you a better player. You should get that delusion out of your head now.