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IceStormers
Forsaken Immortals
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:35:00 -
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think i would be annoyed if they gave the suit no requirements to use, would mean i have just spent 2mill sp to use a logi suit when i would have used my BPO and spent the points elsewhere
However i do agree either refund or much better give me a option to change to a std suit of my race within the same type
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Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
705
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:38:00 -
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If they make them requirement free like the Dragonfly, they're going to have to nerf them a bit, too. |
ADAM-OF-EVE
Carbon 7
4
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Posted - 2013.05.09 15:04:00 -
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Aoena Rays wrote:CCP Frame wrote:Hello guys, We are very well aware of Valor, Raven and Sever dropsuits changing their SP requirements. We are working on addressing that very soon, and we apologize for the inconvenience this may have caused. Stay tuned for more updates on this in the upcoming forum announcements right here in this section: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=898Thank you. Great stuff. Cheers. Have a like, my fav dev that tells us what's being fixed! :D
this would be acceptable to me howether i have already spent sp to use the suit. i hope there is a sp refund for skills the new skill requirement doesnt need.
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SHANN da MAN
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.09 19:31:00 -
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See my post here for a proposed solution to the inequality of the Basic and Specialist Dropsuit SP requirements.
It also proposes an unlock of the Raven/Sever/Valor suits at a much more logical and SP affordable place in the skill tree. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.05.09 19:41:00 -
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I think an extended set of STD BPOs would be nice, as I'd still like a Logi BPO, just not Minmatar. I don't mind the idea of specializing to get to roles either (though Assaults/Scouts/Sentinels need more to distinguish themselves from basic frames). So, it's not so much the skill reqs exactly, it's combination of that with with respec and racial variants. We went from literally only one kind of logi, assault, etc. to four. And it probably should've been refunded considering the level of changes - especially if we paid actual Aurum for it.
I'd like this resolved amicably. A swap for another racial variant would be cool of course. As would a reimbursement so we could wait for something like another racial variant to actually exist. I think it would be bad if the suits got "nerfed" skill-wise, so they no longer render the class/spec bonuses they can currently can for the people that have them. They are expensive BPOs, and people could have bought them POST-uprising too. $10 is a pretty good price for a standard BPO that can benefit from specialization bonuses. If this turns a "we have an unfair Aurum reimbursement issue" into a situation where our problem becomes EVERYONE's nerf, that is a really sad way for things to go down. |
DeadlyAztec11
One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas
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Posted - 2013.05.09 19:44:00 -
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I sympathize with your cause! My friend. |
Hey Fatty
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.09 19:51:00 -
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This kind of factored into what suit I was going to use. Though I regret nothing and am actually enjoying the Minmatar suit. The idea of letting a $10 RL money suit sit there and rot because it, for whatever reason, was not refunded as mentioned earlier bugs me quite a bit. :) |
Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
51
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Posted - 2013.05.10 04:30:00 -
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I'm actually quite happy that my Raven Assault suit receives a racial bonus, if you lower the requirements I can't imagine I'd ever use it again? So from my point of view I'd also like the AUR refund promised at the start of uprising on my BPO's |
KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.10 04:42:00 -
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They should take ALL AUR BPO back and give us what we spent in AUR (except to teh ones taht payed only 30AU, sincethey should probably prefer to keep it) , and let us choose what we want to spend it in. 19900 AUR gone to waste? BS....
I bought the Raven at first cuz i didn't know how to play and the drop suit helped me out. After that, even if i play SCOUT, i started using it a LOT for ambush matches.
Now i have a 1.8million SP suit there rusting in a corner...
I would prefer a Militia BPO i kid you not.....
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WOLF T
The Exemplars Gentlemen's Agreement
0
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Posted - 2013.05.10 04:49:00 -
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i bought all 3 of the suit bpos individually and now i have no need for the scout or the logi one cuz im not wasting all that sp on something im not gonna use i would like the refund they said everyone was getting |
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Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
128
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Posted - 2013.05.10 05:05:00 -
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Offer to swap out for the racial variant of the player's choice. Use the same color scheme. Make the swap a one-time offer. Make sure you don't enact any mega-class nerfs right afterward. People seem to be screaming for logi blood, and if someone took a Caldari logi variant and then it lost 2 slots, half it's hp, and the LW became a SW... even if people got a respec right after that, then they'd be stuck with a suit they probably wouldn't want to use because the role would've changed drastically. |
DigiOps
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.10 05:13:00 -
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Zeylon Rho wrote:Offer to swap out for the racial variant of the player's choice. Use the same color scheme. Make the swap a one-time offer. Make sure you don't enact any mega-class nerfs right afterward. People seem to be screaming for logi blood, and if someone took a Caldari logi variant and then it lost 2 slots, half it's hp, and the LW became a SW... even if people got a respec right after that, then they'd be stuck with a suit they probably wouldn't want to use because the role would've changed drastically. The role has already changed. People didn't pick the Caldari logistics suit to do logistics. They went that route to shield tank. Don't take any slots. Just make them use a side arm. They still have their medium frames if they want to go back to light weapons. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.05.10 05:24:00 -
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DigiOps wrote:Zeylon Rho wrote:Offer to swap out for the racial variant of the player's choice. Use the same color scheme. Make the swap a one-time offer. Make sure you don't enact any mega-class nerfs right afterward. People seem to be screaming for logi blood, and if someone took a Caldari logi variant and then it lost 2 slots, half it's hp, and the LW became a SW... even if people got a respec right after that, then they'd be stuck with a suit they probably wouldn't want to use because the role would've changed drastically. The role has already changed. People didn't pick the Caldari logistics suit to do logistics. They went that route to shield tank. Don't take any slots. Just make them use a side arm. They still have their medium frames if they want to go back to light weapons.
That's an ignorant quote. SOME people chose to use Caldari Logistics as shield tanks. Some people chose to play as logistics, and that change would gimp them.
It would definitely necessitate a respec. Sidearms just don't have the range. ANYONE with a rifle could kill a logi at range because pistols/SMG/knives have much shorter range than ARs/lasers/MDs/Snipers. It just makes Logis dead men walking.
That's aside from the most obvious respec issue. If you're a logi, you only have a Light Weapon slot. Odds are you may have never touched sidearm skills. So whatever weapon you did skill into would be worthless in your primary role. |
Oss Tex
Planetary Response Organization
2
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Posted - 2013.05.10 05:33:00 -
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Respec AND fix the MAG suit issue by making them usable: would be a nice start, IMO.
I REALLY want to come back to the game I knew and loved...or at least some semblance of it. |
Chankk Saotome
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
288
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Posted - 2013.05.18 04:01:00 -
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I just had to post this as this was an element of a recent response I got in regards to the matter. The rest of the email was basically, "Read the forums. We're not doing squat. Live with it."
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To whom it may concern,
In regards to the following response:
> Subject: RE: MAG BPO Dropsuits [20130515-3228802-D029039F] > From: [email protected] > To: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX > Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 10:02:45 +0000 > > Petition: MAG BPO Dropsuits > > You can follow up on your petition on: > https://community.eveonline.com/support/petitions/my-petitions/details/?id=3228802 > > > > 2013.05.15 10:03:00 GM Bambi > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Hello, > > Thank you for contacting DUST 514 Customer Support. > > The reason that your 'MAG' dropsuit BPOs were not refunded can be found in the DEV Blog post below: > > http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/05/uprising-skill-point-re-spec-details/ > > Please note the specific part that states: > > "Also, important to note, any PSN items (such as the Mercenary Pack), Militia BPOs (which are not being changed), and any in-game event items (such as the Black Eagles, Skinweave and Quafe Dropsuits) will NOT be removed from your Assets." > _________________________________-
My only concern with CCP's reaction, or inaction, to the situation is that the suits WERE changed, thus nullifying the claim that such items should not be refunded in some form.
With their SP requirements altered severely from a few thousand Skill Points to a couple million each, they've been made virtually, if not entirely useless.
I am sincerely concerned if this is the future CCP intends on following, making an open statement that "long term and meaningful decisions" which they have been promoting for the entirety of the DUST 514 development will only negatively impact the players as things we invest in are in no way future-proof from severe alterations to the game and related in-game elements.
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The second part is my final response to them on the situation. Look, I don't mind being stuck with the suits. I had actually hoped for a refund to move them back to my main character so they're not stuck on now useless ALTs. But with their SP cost, they're utterly useless, even to anyone who got them as part of the Tribute Merc Pack which was still an investment whether forums agree or not.
The point is that if there's no sense of security in investment of items in-game then there's NO reason to spend real money on such items whatsoever.
If CCP can't realize that, then they really need to rethink their marketing strategies once players get smart to the fact. The issue is that most players are and will continue to be idiots and won't think about this.
I imagine the whole point of the recent "Commercial Release" was to do away with people threatening legal recourse against CCP for their poor response to real customer issues.
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Eskel Bondfree
DUST University Ivy League
101
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Posted - 2013.05.18 11:16:00 -
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So what about CCP Frame's comment?
CCP Frame wrote: We are very well aware of Valor, Raven and Sever dropsuits changing their SP requirements. We are working on addressing that very soon, and we apologize for the inconvenience this may have caused.
I'm still waiting for a follow up on that one.
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Reign Omega
Quafe Runners
17
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Posted - 2013.05.18 11:35:00 -
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I was under the impression that after the change in SP requirements to the BPOs and to the current skill tree we would all be getting a respec (optional upon request) anyways? So for the folks who did invest the 2 mil or so they could respec and allocate the SP as they see fit? |
Chankk Saotome
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
290
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Posted - 2013.05.18 17:57:00 -
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I have to apologize for sharing secret private messages sent by CCP.
I was a bit on edge about the situation and their response to the matter, but that doesn't permit me to break forum conduct which I agreed to in order to participate in both the game and the forum community.
I appreciate that CCP doesn't feel it necessary to fully censure me and will accept the criticism I made, even if they don't really care one way or the other.
Thank you for reminding me of this element and I apologize for any inconvenience in regards to the matter. And thank you for still maintaining dignity by allowing some harsh criticisms of your actions recently. We probably forget it as players but you're probably under unimaginable stress compared to the rest of us suddenly worried about so-and-so coming after such-and-such district.
Sorry about that CCP, but thanks for protecting my right to voice an opinion. Props to you. |
ADAM-OF-EVE
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2013.05.28 17:17:00 -
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ok. i was under the assumption ccp was doing something about this. we now have our skill points back but still no change's and no info on when they are going to fix this. awsome ccp. i now have my sp back but to use my gear i have paid for i now have to spend it straight back into the skills i shouldn't need to.
the annoying thing is ccp have released the dren assault suit with the exact same stats and fittings as the raven but doesn't have any skill requirements.
i find it disturbing that ccp have the time to add new content (all be it the same old content with a different name and skin) but cant fix the old stuff first. |
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