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Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 879	Posted - 2013.05.06 19:05:00 - [1] - Quote It seems everyone in proto gear is logi. Why? BECAUSE ITS TOO EFFECTIVE AT THE ASSAULTS JOB. Or how someone from the IRC put it: "yea, logi's seem pretty strong, and the one match I played all the "good" players are in proto logi suits. They're far too versatile and easy to fit without any kind of penalty to combat, plus all the equipment and stuff. No sidearm isn't too bad when you've got a balac's lol" I called it.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1444	Posted - 2013.05.06 19:07:00 - [2] - Quote Maybe if the assault suits actually had bonuses worth caring about...
Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors 395	Posted - 2013.05.06 19:10:00 - [3] - Quote Don't listen to him. This is just forum-warrior meta to get everyone to be logis so that CRONOS can stomp you. Until I see a CRONOS youtube with his whole team of proto logis I won't believe him.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 106	Posted - 2013.05.06 19:12:00 - [4] - Quote yep they do need something IMO
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1444	Posted - 2013.05.06 19:12:00 - [5] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Don't listen to him. This is just forum-warrior meta to get everyone to be logis so that CRONOS can stomp you. Until I see a CRONOS youtube with his whole team of proto logis I won't believe him. Doubt you'd see CRONOS doing such a feat... just saying.
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 879	Posted - 2013.05.06 19:25:00 - [6] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Don't listen to him. This is just forum-warrior meta to get everyone to be logis so that CRONOS can stomp you. Until I see a CRONOS youtube with his whole team of proto logis I won't believe him. You're welcome to go to any pub match and see what the high pubstompers are using.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 1433	Posted - 2013.05.06 19:27:00 - [7] - Quote The question is, are they doing a logi's job, or just shooting people.
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 880	Posted - 2013.05.06 19:48:00 - [8] - Quote gbghg wrote: The question is, are they doing a logi's job, or just shooting people. Both.
ca ronic Moffit Bros 7	Posted - 2013.05.06 21:34:00 - [9] - Quote If you dont need 3 equipment slots why not choose Minmatar medium over the logi. Passive armor repair and five high slots. More base shield, less armor, more hp total.
Kaius Coriolanus Gothic Wars Consortium 2	Posted - 2013.05.06 21:39:00 - [10] - Quote Cat Merc is so full of lies and spamming the forum as always :P

Free Beers Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1439	Posted - 2013.05.06 21:40:00 - [11] - Quote This is simply ccp over nerfing assault suits to make logis more viable. From our testing proto assault suits even with spending the 1.5 for both engineering and electronics are under powered. CCP raised the cpu/pg costs of equipment/gear So all you "Everyone is using assault suits so they must be OP" QQers can now QQ about logis
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. CRONOS. 3911	Posted - 2013.05.06 21:41:00 - [12] - Quote Is already noted and has been discussed since fan fest, we're still waiting for things to pan out and have more hands on time before suggesting fixes. Some of us are still stuck on download limbo.
Parson Atreides Ahrendee Mercenaries 278	Posted - 2013.05.06 21:44:00 - [13] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Is already noted and has been discussed since fan fest, we're still waiting for things to pan out and have more hands on time before suggesting fixes. Some of us are still stuck on download limbo. Are there any discussions about the new aiming? It feels totally wrong.
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 610	Posted - 2013.05.06 21:44:00 - [14] - Quote Do logis still have bigger hitboxes, or did frame sizes change that? Because hitboxes matter when it comes to strafing. I know my militia assault fit back in Chromosome could last longer strafing than my logi A-series.
Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 132	Posted - 2013.05.06 21:45:00 - [15] - Quote I haven't done too much Uprising yet, but I noticed something when looking at the stats. I got my prototype basic suit and was looking at the assault to see if it was worth going into and it's exactly the same as the basics but with the passive bonus, which makes no sense. Basically you'd have to wait until you have enough to get to level 5 and keep using your basic proto until then. BUT then I looked at the logis, and at least these suits got more CPU/PG to deck out with better gear.
hooc order Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement 17	Posted - 2013.05.06 21:53:00 - [16] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: gbghg wrote: The question is, are they doing a logi's job, or just shooting people. Both. Sooo...as a logi i would say nothing has changed. Whenever i went up against assault 9 times out of 10 i always felt they were easy DS3 using kills. It was always the scouts, heavies and other logis who worried me.
Balzich Rotaine Rotaine Shipping Inc 27	Posted - 2013.05.06 21:58:00 - [17] - Quote The logi suit is slower, has way less hp, less high slots, and no sidearm. How does that make it more effective at combat than an assault suit?
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 904	Posted - 2013.05.06 21:59:00 - [18] - Quote Kaius Coriolanus wrote: Cat Merc is so full of lies and spamming the forum as always :P This time I'm serious,
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 904	Posted - 2013.05.06 22:01:00 - [19] - Quote Balzich Rotaine wrote: The logi suit is slower, has way less hp, less high slots, and no sidearm. How does that make it more effective at combat than an assault suit? lol "way less HP". Its one bullets worth of HP. The logi has more slots you dope. The sidearm is barely used as is, especially when you have a balac.
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 403	Posted - 2013.05.06 22:05:00 - [20] - Quote The problem is, I'm sure the logi suits will be adjusted someday once CCP gets wind of the stats showing more assault players using logis.

Xander Mercy SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 116	Posted - 2013.05.06 22:08:00 - [21] - Quote im haveing fun in my proto assault
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 906	Posted - 2013.05.06 22:11:00 - [22] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: im haveing fun in my proto assault And I was having fun using knives last build. Doesn't mean its good.
Spacetits CDXX Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 268	Posted - 2013.05.06 22:12:00 - [23] - Quote It's more that there's no reason to spec racial assault. If you wanted to play straight assault, why not just take a racial medium frame suit to proto and use that? The racial assault bonuses are in no way worth 3+ mil SP. Getting extra equipment slots on your logi could actually be worth it.
Kaze Eyrou ROGUE SPADES EoN. 173	Posted - 2013.05.06 22:14:00 - [24] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Xander Mercy wrote: im haveing fun in my proto assault And I was having fun using knives last build. Doesn't mean its good. Adapt or die.
XiBravo TeamPlayers EoN. 0	Posted - 2013.05.06 22:19:00 - [25] - Quote Parson Atreides wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Is already noted and has been discussed since fan fest, we're still waiting for things to pan out and have more hands on time before suggesting fixes. Some of us are still stuck on download limbo. Are there any discussions about the new aiming? It feels totally wrong. THIS WTF did they change...? If the person moves I can't hit them... I had to stop playing after only a few rounds.
Balzich Rotaine Rotaine Shipping Inc 27	Posted - 2013.05.06 22:21:00 - [26] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Balzich Rotaine wrote: The logi suit is slower, has way less hp, less high slots, and no sidearm. How does that make it more effective at combat than an assault suit? lol "way less HP". Its one bullets worth of HP. The logi has more slots you dope. The sidearm is barely used as is, especially when you have a balac. No need for name calling. I was looking at the minmatar basic and minmatar logi. Logi hp 240 medium frame 285, logi 4 high slots medium frame 5, logi speed 7 medium frame 7.4. The basic medium also has passive armor repair. Your crass response was uncalled for as I was just asking a question
Chief Jon Redcorn GHETTOSTAR GALACTICA 12	Posted - 2013.05.06 22:29:00 - [27] - Quote Spacetits CDXX wrote: It's more that there's no reason to spec racial assault. If you wanted to play straight assault, why not just take a racial medium frame suit to proto and use that? The racial assault bonuses are in no way worth 3+ mil SP. Getting extra equipment slots on your logi could actually be worth it. meh, maybe more of a status thing than a min/max thing.. the minmatar passive rep sounds awesome tho.. idk, my client is updating.
ca ronic Moffit Bros 7	Posted - 2013.05.06 22:38:00 - [28] - Quote Balzich Rotaine wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Balzich Rotaine wrote: The logi suit is slower, has way less hp, less high slots, and no sidearm. How does that make it more effective at combat than an assault suit? lol "way less HP". Its one bullets worth of HP. The logi has more slots you dope. The sidearm is barely used as is, especially when you have a balac. No need for name calling. I was looking at the minmatar basic and minmatar logi. Logi hp 240 medium frame 285, logi 4 high slots medium frame 5, logi speed 7 medium frame 7.4. The basic medium also has passive armor repair. Your crass response was uncalled for as I was just asking a question Dont forget the side arm. The hacking bonus on the logi would be nice though.
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 909	Posted - 2013.05.07 04:26:00 - [29] - Quote Balzich Rotaine wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Balzich Rotaine wrote: The logi suit is slower, has way less hp, less high slots, and no sidearm. How does that make it more effective at combat than an assault suit? lol "way less HP". Its one bullets worth of HP. The logi has more slots you dope. The sidearm is barely used as is, especially when you have a balac. No need for name calling. I was looking at the minmatar basic and minmatar logi. Logi hp 240 medium frame 285, logi 4 high slots medium frame 5, logi speed 7 medium frame 7.4. The basic medium also has passive armor repair. Your crass response was uncalled for as I was just asking a question Basic medium has no passive armor rep. As I said, one bullets worth of HP.
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 909	Posted - 2013.05.07 04:27:00 - [30] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Xander Mercy wrote: im haveing fun in my proto assault And I was having fun using knives last build. Doesn't mean its good. Adapt or die. Alright, I will adapt. I will use a logi, I didn't get to the crossing point yet >_>

NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 173	Posted - 2013.05.07 04:29:00 - [31] - Quote Apparently the side arm is worth two slots, just look at the Amarr suit.
General Grodd Ahrendee Mercenaries 53	Posted - 2013.05.07 04:29:00 - [32] - Quote Great! More logis to uber rep my tank. Lol jk. Oh and sup Cat Merc we need to play together again some time.
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 909	Posted - 2013.05.07 04:31:00 - [33] - Quote General Grodd wrote: Great! More logis to uber rep my tank. Lol jk. Oh and sup Cat Merc we need to play together again some time. Hey Grodd.
Balzich Rotaine Rotaine Shipping Inc 44	Posted - 2013.05.07 04:33:00 - [34] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Balzich Rotaine wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Balzich Rotaine wrote: The logi suit is slower, has way less hp, less high slots, and no sidearm. How does that make it more effective at combat than an assault suit? lol "way less HP". Its one bullets worth of HP. The logi has more slots you dope. The sidearm is barely used as is, especially when you have a balac. No need for name calling. I was looking at the minmatar basic and minmatar logi. Logi hp 240 medium frame 285, logi 4 high slots medium frame 5, logi speed 7 medium frame 7.4. The basic medium also has passive armor repair. Your crass response was uncalled for as I was just asking a question Basic medium has no passive armor rep. As I said, one bullets worth of HP. Mine does 1 hp/s
Balzich Rotaine Rotaine Shipping Inc 44	Posted - 2013.05.07 04:33:00 - [35] - Quote Maybe yours is broken
XeroTheBigBoss Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 243	Posted - 2013.05.07 04:35:00 - [36] - Quote I do see a lot of people saying how great the Caldari Logi suit is.
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 910	Posted - 2013.05.07 11:58:00 - [37] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: I do see a lot of people saying how great the Caldari Logi suit is. Because its better in every way >_>
ca ronic Moffit Bros 7	Posted - 2013.05.07 12:02:00 - [38] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Balzich Rotaine wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Balzich Rotaine wrote: The logi suit is slower, has way less hp, less high slots, and no sidearm. How does that make it more effective at combat than an assault suit? lol "way less HP". Its one bullets worth of HP. The logi has more slots you dope. The sidearm is barely used as is, especially when you have a balac. No need for name calling. I was looking at the minmatar basic and minmatar logi. Logi hp 240 medium frame 285, logi 4 high slots medium frame 5, logi speed 7 medium frame 7.4. The basic medium also has passive armor repair. Your crass response was uncalled for as I was just asking a question Basic medium has no passive armor rep. As I said, one bullets worth of HP. I think your confused, but then I know I am so maybe its me.
KalOfTheRathi Talon Strike Force LTD Orion Empire 408	Posted - 2013.05.07 12:03:00 - [39] - Quote Maybe not Oh Bragging One. I haven't seen a single Proto Logi and most of the Logi posts are about exactly the opposite of that. They are about not being able to get into it, the huge SP cost which if they spend it isn't worth it. And they are unhappy about it to the extreme. Seems like the reality and your view are ... somewhat off.
Snaps Tremor The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 155	Posted - 2013.05.07 12:04:00 - [40] - Quote This needs stating once a week, but: Skill into what you want to be, not the flavour of the month. Because next month that advantage may evaporate, and then you'd better be a fan of supporting people, because you're a support class now son.

Winsaucerer The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 62	Posted - 2013.05.07 12:05:00 - [41] - Quote I was killed by a logi proto with over 600 shield and over 200 armour. Can't remember the race, but I noticed caldari gets 5 high's with a bonus per level to shield extenders...
KingBabar Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 555	Posted - 2013.05.07 13:03:00 - [42] - Quote ca ronic wrote: If you dont need 3 equipment slots why not choose Minmatar medium over the logi. Passive armor repair and five high slots. More base shield, less armor, more hp total. I don't need 3 equipment slots.... - But I do need 2, as I used to have on my WK1 assault suit....
trollsroyce Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 351	Posted - 2013.05.07 13:11:00 - [43] - Quote The root of this issue is what you get for the limited SP. For most purposes, skilling assault gives you one module worth of stats over using racial medium frame. Going logistics gives you a completely new suit. Assault is not bad per se, you just get almost proto assault as a side product of logistics.
Stexn byd IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 13	Posted - 2013.05.07 13:27:00 - [44] - Quote Winsaucerer wrote: I was killed by a logi proto with over 600 shield and over 200 armour. Can't remember the race, but I noticed caldari gets 5 high's with a bonus per level to shield extenders... giving over 700hp shield... yeah the caldari logi is the OP suit atm, but in the end is it going to be nerfed and all those who put 6 mill+ sp into going to be regretful? Depends on if CCP really wants a balanced game or not.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2819	Posted - 2013.05.07 13:31:00 - [45] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: "yea, logi's seem pretty strong, and the one match I played all the "good" players are in proto logi suits. They're far too versatile and easy to fit without any kind of penalty to combat, plus all the equipment and stuff. No sidearm isn't too bad when you've got a balac's lol". WOOO I FEEL SPECIAL Cat Merc quoted my banter :p Logi's have always creeped on / surpassed assaults in terms of combat effectiveness, Uprising just made it more obvious.
Beren Hurin OMNI Endeavors 426	Posted - 2013.05.07 13:36:00 - [46] - Quote Waiting for scrambler rifles...those shields aren't going to be so happy. I'm liking my 225 shield and 450 armor in my Amarr Logi suit though. It can go up even more in the proto though too.
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 826	Posted - 2013.05.07 13:40:00 - [47] - Quote Are the logi suits the yellow suits? If so, that could be the reason they are OP. It's just because those suits are so eye bleedingly yellow that all who dare fight against them are immediately stunned for a few seconds every time they look towards or aim at the logi suit. A stunned opponent is an opponent that is easy to kill.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2819	Posted - 2013.05.07 13:42:00 - [48] - Quote Aighun wrote: Are the logi suits the yellow suits? If so, that could be the reason they are OP. It's just because those suits are so eye bleedingly yellow that all who dare fight against them are immediately stunned for a few seconds every time they look towards or aim at the logi suit. A stunned opponent is an opponent that is easy to kill. Amusingly, this is right along the lines of one of my first thoughts "everything got nerfed, even logi's; now they're yellow"
Keyser Soze VerbalKint IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 221	Posted - 2013.05.07 13:43:00 - [49] - Quote Balzich Rotaine wrote: The logi suit is slower, has way less hp, less high slots, and no sidearm. How does that make it more effective at combat than an assault suit? Do you play EVE by chance and is this your first FPS? Not trying to be insulting i can understand if you are new to FPS. Its quite simple Amarr and Caldari Logi=Slayer Logis there is such a role; there simply arent enough bonuses to assualt that doesnt encourage slayers to going there instead of here) If you gimp these you make them worthless as they wont be able to slay and wont be able to outsupport the way minmatar and gallente do. Minmatar and Gallente Logi=Support Logis If you know how to build a suit it becomes clear which one is the best suit in the game currently. That is not to say it shouldnt be. This is what proto suits should feel like. The game needs to be balanced around that and make the other suits better, this is what a high end suit feels like. I would have went Amarr Logi all the way and played LR/SMG and rocked it if i wasnt more a support/medic type player. In this regard first hand experience says minmatar is the way to go. I went Gallente only because of the added equipment costs and fact that many previous pieces of equipment have shifted to the proto level. However until Armor is truly viable its a bit of a dual edged sword at the moment. Of course CCP in their philosophy of buffing one nerfs all others will choose to nerf the logi instead, rather than bringing the other specialty frames up to snuff. For >3M SP my Logi suit is well deserved to where it should be. Fact i dont get a medium frame variant is even more the reason. And if i were assault players id stick to medium frames over assualt suits and then move to logi its just doesnt make sense to do otherwise.
Keyser Soze VerbalKint IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 221	Posted - 2013.05.07 14:00:00 - [50] - Quote Balzich Rotaine wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Balzich Rotaine wrote: The logi suit is slower, has way less hp, less high slots, and no sidearm. How does that make it more effective at combat than an assault suit? lol "way less HP". Its one bullets worth of HP. The logi has more slots you dope. The sidearm is barely used as is, especially when you have a balac. No need for name calling. I was looking at the minmatar basic and minmatar logi. Logi hp 240 medium frame 285, logi 4 high slots medium frame 5, logi speed 7 medium frame 7.4. The basic medium also has passive armor repair. Your crass response was uncalled for as I was just asking a question The basic medium has a armor rep of 1 All logis have when taken to proto have armor rep of 5 And the minmatar Assualt retain the 1Hp/s This is hardly an amazing stat(it would take 30s to replenish enough HP to withstand one bullet) The logi suits are the clear cut winners simply because you take the added CPU/PG they get and fill the highs, lows and weapons slots and if you have any room left over put in some equipment. The issue is CCP tried to balance all that out with lack of sidearm and only a .3-.5 reduction in movement speed, and .4-.8 reduction in sprint speed. This is just bad balance when the speed is already slow in this game those numbers are hardly an issue. WIth enough low slots you overcome it with speed mods and stamina mods as well as the passives in those areas. Now i cant say for sure if this is because server side hit detection cant handle faster movement speeds or not but this is why the game is struggling for balance. The other suits need to be faster in comparison to the logi. Nerfing the movement speed of logis further sends them into heavy existence and they also wont be able to keep up with assaults to support them. Need a movement speed increase.

Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 143	Posted - 2013.05.07 14:08:00 - [51] - Quote Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote: WIth enough low slots you overcome it with speed mods and stamina mods as well as the passives in those areas. assaults have higher strafe speed and there is no mod that can increase strafe speed. strafe speed difference is not small. and going with the flow of the battle, the logi will never be able to keep up with the assault with the lower stamina. the logi is basically designed to run along with heavies. there is also another point, logi has to sacrifice atleast one mod for HP to keep up with assaults HP. the assault can just spend most of his slots on damage mods. and btw the logi needs the CPU/PG otherwise the logi would not be able to fit the equipment at all.


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