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Exmaple Core
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
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Posted - 2013.05.06 00:46:00 -
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All the classes from scout to tanks are being nerfed HARD like no other build before while the assult class is being rewarded for continuing to be the OP bastard/bully/object of affection of AR14. Scout cant fit anything without having to spend an obcene amount of SP AND sacrifice gear, the heavy is becoming useless, the Logi wont be able to take advantage of its gear, tanks are become weaker red line pussys while the assult class grows. There is no way that CCP is accidently nerfing LITERALLY every single other class in the game and favoring assult. CCP is deffinetly up to something and its not right. Say that Uprising is just around the corner but factual math is there and all the vets are consistantly drawing the same conclusions. Listen to this guy, he is awsome
Jathniel wrote:Sickening that when someone raises a point in strong objection, others that disagree demand that player to be banned!
The so-called trolling is a sarcastic vent. The game became terrible to play for anyone and EVERYONE that isn't an Assault!
Is understanding that so hard, to the point that when someone complains it's considered trolling to a ban-able degree?
The threads are turning into troll threads because the niche players, nearly ALL of them, have already presented the facts in a logical calm manner. No need for me to list the links here.
The numbers are out on the AR and the Assault suit. Range. DPS. Damage mods. HP totals. Etc.
No matter how much you raise the SP requirement, or how many times you require the mouse to spin the wheel; If the Assault suit and AR are allowed to even approximate their current performance here in Chromosome, the game will inevitably break, again, in Uprising.
It doesn't matter how many stairs you put in the stairwell. EVERYONE knows the performance of the Chromosome Assault. It's a greater menace than the Replication Heavy or the Mordu's Trials Scout.
If the Assault retains it's Chromosome performance in any way shape or form in Uprising. Everything that happened here in Chromosome is doomed to repeat itself.
Dust is loosing its diversity and class structure. At this rate all that will be left is assults and the AR will be the only viable weapon, no specialization IN THE GAME can compare to even an aspect of the assult class and CCP made sure of it with new assult suits that do diffrent things and nerfing important traits about the other classes that make them a class all together. Looking at the history of AR14, the assult rifle nor its suit has /never/ been targeted for a nerf and instead /a;ways/ buffed and concurred the quantity of the battlefeild, more than 12 months consistantly. It is apperant that ccp WANTS to make assult the best. There is no insentive to play anything but assult |
IRuby Heart
DIOS EX.
660
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Posted - 2013.05.06 00:49:00 -
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TL;DR
From the Title I can assume this is another QQ thread before the build though. |
Konohamaru Sarutobi
Ahrendee Mercenaries
140
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Posted - 2013.05.06 00:51:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:All the classes from scout to tanks are being nerfed HARD like no other build before while the assult class is being rewarded for continuing to be the OP bastard/bully/object of affection of AR14. Scout cant fit anything without having to spend an obcene amount of SP AND sacrifice gear, the heavy is becoming useless, the Logi wont be able to take advantage of its gear, tanks are become weaker red line pussys while the assult class grows. There is no way that CCP is accidently nerfing LITERALLY every single other class in the game and favoring assult. CCP is deffinetly up to something and its not right. Say that Uprising is just around the corner but factual math is there and all the vets are consistantly drawing the same conclusions. Listen to this guy, he is awsome Jathniel wrote:Sickening that when someone raises a point in strong objection, others that disagree demand that player to be banned!
The so-called trolling is a sarcastic vent. The game became terrible to play for anyone and EVERYONE that isn't an Assault!
Is understanding that so hard, to the point that when someone complains it's considered trolling to a ban-able degree?
The threads are turning into troll threads because the niche players, nearly ALL of them, have already presented the facts in a logical calm manner. No need for me to list the links here.
The numbers are out on the AR and the Assault suit. Range. DPS. Damage mods. HP totals. Etc.
No matter how much you raise the SP requirement, or how many times you require the mouse to spin the wheel; If the Assault suit and AR are allowed to even approximate their current performance here in Chromosome, the game will inevitably break, again, in Uprising.
It doesn't matter how many stairs you put in the stairwell. EVERYONE knows the performance of the Chromosome Assault. It's a greater menace than the Replication Heavy or the Mordu's Trials Scout.
If the Assault retains it's Chromosome performance in any way shape or form in Uprising. Everything that happened here in Chromosome is doomed to repeat itself. Dust is loosing its diversity and class structure. At this rate all that will be left is assults and the AR will be the only viable weapon, no specialization IN THE GAME can compare to even an aspect of the assult class and CCP made sure of it with new assult suits that do diffrent things and nerfing important traits about the other classes that make them a class all together. Looking at the history of AR14, the assult rifle nor its suit has /never/ been targeted for a nerf and instead /a;ways/ buffed and concurred the quantity of the battlefeild, more than 12 months consistantly. It is apperant that ccp WANTS to make assult the best. There is no insentive to play anything but assult
Diversity = Heavy Suit + AR (Assault Riffle) = Oh my God |
Logi Bro
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
1377
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Posted - 2013.05.06 00:52:00 -
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I didn't read, will come back once I HAVE PLAYED THE NEW BUILD like the rest of you should before making conspiracy threads. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
162
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Posted - 2013.05.06 00:54:00 -
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Don't tell me the QQ coalition is looking to make a comeback? |
Exmaple Core
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
271
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Posted - 2013.05.06 00:56:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Don't tell me the QQ coalition is looking to make a comeback? Damn right its QQ. its QQ to make this game fun and fix its promblems. Were beta testers right? well im trying and ill QQ untill something happens. The diffrence between my QQ is im trying to make a diffrence |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2173
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Posted - 2013.05.06 00:57:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:Crash Monster wrote:Don't tell me the QQ coalition is looking to make a comeback? Damn right its QQ. its QQ to make this game fun and fix its promblems. Were beta testers right? well im trying and ill QQ untill something happens. The diffrence between my QQ is im trying to make a diffrence Keep it up - only a so many more hours till your no longer a beta tester. |
lowratehitman
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
520
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Posted - 2013.05.06 00:57:00 -
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Always good to hear maple core speak. I chose the Assault every build due to the proto being op in all honesty. Now that I am tired of going into most rounds not really having fun....the laser rifle was only a hobby that I found out of boredom, I am going logi this build. I am not going to be following heavies around sniffing booty with a repper, yet playing the combat logi. I think in on aspect the heavy will be in good shape due to the HMG being the main wepon,and only having to skill into the HMG's skills such as rapid reload etc....but I feel you on the assault and the AR. It is the bread and butter of this game. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The Vanguardians Orion Empire
55
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Posted - 2013.05.06 00:58:00 -
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Getcho' tear jars here!
QQ jars! 10 isk!
inb4lock shirts-- 2 for 40 isk!
Getcho QQ gear! |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1382
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Posted - 2013.05.06 01:00:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:Crash Monster wrote:Don't tell me the QQ coalition is looking to make a comeback? Damn right its QQ. its QQ to make this game fun and fix its promblems. Were beta testers right? well im trying and ill QQ untill something happens. The diffrence between my QQ is im trying to make a diffrence I don't envy Mavado having to deal with you if you do this on comms. |
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Exmaple Core
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
272
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Posted - 2013.05.06 01:00:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:Always good to hear maple core speak. I chose the Assault every build due to the proto being op in all honesty. Now that I am tired of going into most rounds not really having fun....the laser rifle was only a hobby that I found out of boredom, I am going logi this build. I am not going to be following heavies around sniffing booty with a repper, yet playing the combat logi. I think in on aspect the heavy will be in good shape due to the HMG being the main wepon,and only having to skill into the HMG's skills such as rapid reload etc....but I feel you on the assault and the AR. It is the bread and butter of this game.
Ty ty. i got more to preach for what its worth |
Kiro Justice
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
47
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Posted - 2013.05.06 01:01:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:All the classes from scout to tanks are being nerfed HARD like no other build before while the assult class is being rewarded for continuing to be the OP bastard/bully/object of affection of AR14. Scout cant fit anything without having to spend an obcene amount of SP AND sacrifice gear, the heavy is becoming useless, the Logi wont be able to take advantage of its gear, tanks are become weaker red line pussys while the assult class grows. There is no way that CCP is accidently nerfing LITERALLY every single other class in the game and favoring assult. CCP is deffinetly up to something and its not right. Say that Uprising is just around the corner but factual math is there and all the vets are consistantly drawing the same conclusions. Listen to this guy, he is awsome Jathniel wrote:Sickening that when someone raises a point in strong objection, others that disagree demand that player to be banned!
The so-called trolling is a sarcastic vent. The game became terrible to play for anyone and EVERYONE that isn't an Assault!
Is understanding that so hard, to the point that when someone complains it's considered trolling to a ban-able degree?
The threads are turning into troll threads because the niche players, nearly ALL of them, have already presented the facts in a logical calm manner. No need for me to list the links here.
The numbers are out on the AR and the Assault suit. Range. DPS. Damage mods. HP totals. Etc.
No matter how much you raise the SP requirement, or how many times you require the mouse to spin the wheel; If the Assault suit and AR are allowed to even approximate their current performance here in Chromosome, the game will inevitably break, again, in Uprising.
It doesn't matter how many stairs you put in the stairwell. EVERYONE knows the performance of the Chromosome Assault. It's a greater menace than the Replication Heavy or the Mordu's Trials Scout.
If the Assault retains it's Chromosome performance in any way shape or form in Uprising. Everything that happened here in Chromosome is doomed to repeat itself. Dust is loosing its diversity and class structure. At this rate all that will be left is assults and the AR will be the only viable weapon, no specialization IN THE GAME can compare to even an aspect of the assult class and CCP made sure of it with new assult suits that do diffrent things and nerfing important traits about the other classes that make them a class all together. Looking at the history of AR14, the assult rifle nor its suit has /never/ been targeted for a nerf and instead /a;ways/ buffed and concurred the quantity of the battlefeild, more than 12 months consistantly. It is apperant that ccp WANTS to make assult the best. There is no insentive to play anything but assult. There are dozens of ppl making "truces" in a FPS to not shoot each other cuz their class is no longer competive. You shoot ppl in FPS this is not healthy for a game at all. Heres SOME proof https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72480&find=unread
Boy oh boy...All I've seen from your threads is QQ.
"Dust sucks!" "Dust is dying!"
Probably not your exact words, but close enough. You should probably go QQ in the Feedback/Request section. You're things (might) actually get read there.
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
364
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Posted - 2013.05.06 01:02:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:Crash Monster wrote:Don't tell me the QQ coalition is looking to make a comeback? Damn right its QQ. its QQ to make this game fun and fix its promblems. Were beta testers right? well im trying and ill QQ untill something happens. The diffrence between my QQ is im trying to make a diffrence
Actually, you're just whiners. You can't possibly be testers, beta or otherwise without actually testing anything. |
Exmaple Core
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
272
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Posted - 2013.05.06 01:03:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Crash Monster wrote:Don't tell me the QQ coalition is looking to make a comeback? Damn right its QQ. its QQ to make this game fun and fix its promblems. Were beta testers right? well im trying and ill QQ untill something happens. The diffrence between my QQ is im trying to make a diffrence I don't envy Mavado having to deal with you if you do this on comms. Nope lol theres a time and a place for QQ and thats on the forums not when your trying to win CBs or survive against ARs in pubs. And besides, id be a very borring and dull person to play with if i was mono tasked. But when it comes to the forums yeah im monotasked on balencing this game cuz its not fun anymore. Its ethire have fun or stop playing and im gona try to improve things. Jus like the assult class improved things for themselfs! you guys bitched and moaned and cried and yelled and screamed on the forums to nerf anything you couldent one vs one and yal got it. Its about time someone else did the same and made the game fun and fair again |
Geth Massredux
Defensores Doctrina
232
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Posted - 2013.05.06 01:03:00 -
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Its what happens when Heavys and Tanks are the top killers of the game. It takes more then 2 people to take them out. They cant or usually cant be taken on alone. They have high health. The guns they wield are powerful. When they die running around alone, aka running solo they complain on forums that they got killed by an ar, or powerful AV because players have the audacity to spec into Better weapons. Like I said, Its what happens when Heavys and Tanks are top killers of the game...
- Geth |
Boxoffire
Lost-Legion Orion Empire
55
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Posted - 2013.05.06 01:08:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Crash Monster wrote:Don't tell me the QQ coalition is looking to make a comeback? Damn right its QQ. its QQ to make this game fun and fix its promblems. Were beta testers right? well im trying and ill QQ untill something happens. The diffrence between my QQ is im trying to make a diffrence Keep it up - only a so many more hours till your no longer a beta tester. Well about 9 days to be exact. Remember, the game will officially release May 14. When Uprising comes along tomorrow, it'll still be beta. |
XxWarlordxX97
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1676
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Posted - 2013.05.06 01:08:00 -
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I'm going heavy I don't care any more I WILL BE AWESOME. |
Rhapsodyy Darkforce
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
10
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Posted - 2013.05.06 01:13:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:I didn't read, will come back once I HAVE PLAYED THE NEW BUILD like the rest of you should before making conspiracy threads.
^^ |
Jotun Hiem
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
587
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Posted - 2013.05.06 01:19:00 -
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I won't lie, I'm still plenty pissed over the HMG nerf.
But you're just being irritating. |
DigiOps
DUST University Ivy League
182
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Posted - 2013.05.06 01:21:00 -
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Geth Massredux wrote:Its what happens when Heavys and Tanks are the top killers of the game. It takes more then 2 people to take them out. Speak for yourself.
As an assault player, I'm also troubled by all this. Most of all, I'm afraid for the logis. Thanks for making my personal medic a target, CCP. No one's going to want to play logistics, heavy, tank, and possibly even scout. Why bother investing SP into anything? I now know why, in terms of lore, we are clones. All is according to plan. Epic trolling job, there, CCP. I see what you did there. |
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droidb0ne
BetaMax. CRONOS.
12
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Posted - 2013.05.06 01:21:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:I didn't read, will come back once I HAVE PLAYED THE NEW BUILD like the rest of you should before making conspiracy threads. Yea.same.What Gives, U Folks The rigth. Calling Statements As facts. Ranting Like Pidgons On crack If Ya Didnt Know. They Are Gonna Do More Changes. In Da future Builds... |
Exmaple Core
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
273
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Posted - 2013.05.06 01:25:00 -
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droidb0ne wrote:Logi Bro wrote:I didn't read, will come back once I HAVE PLAYED THE NEW BUILD like the rest of you should before making conspiracy threads. Yea.same.What Gives, U Folks The rigth. Calling Statements As facts. Ranting Like Pidgons On crack If Ya Didnt Know. They Are Gonna Do More Changes. In Da future Builds... math? lol? |
DigiOps
DUST University Ivy League
182
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Posted - 2013.05.06 01:28:00 -
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droidb0ne wrote:Logi Bro wrote:I didn't read, will come back once I HAVE PLAYED THE NEW BUILD like the rest of you should before making conspiracy threads. Yea.same.What Gives, U Folks The rigth. Calling Statements As facts. Ranting Like Pidgons On crack If Ya Didnt Know. They Are Gonna Do More Changes. In Da future Builds... lol wut? |
Llan Heindell
One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas
45
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Posted - 2013.05.06 01:28:00 -
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IRuby Heart wrote:TL;DR
From the Title I can assume this is another QQ thread about the build before playing the build though.
If you didn't read, you shouldn't be posting at all.
Logi Bro wrote:I didn't read, will come back once I HAVE PLAYED THE NEW BUILD like the rest of you should before making conspiracy threads.
Completely agree with Logi Bro in this.
Live long and prosper. Llan Heindell. |
Baal Omniscient
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
479
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Posted - 2013.05.06 01:28:00 -
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just pointing it out, but AR's got a huge nerf at the VERY BEGINNING of cromosome. They were ungodly OP then, now they are... well, let's just say they are less than they were, just to avoid direct arguments. They HAVE been targeted by a nerf, one which removed the OP unflinching scope on all AR's and added recoil to EVERY AR, something they never had before. And just to kick it when it was down, they took around a 5 point drop in DPR.
Now you might say, "yeah that was just dropping of it's excessive OPness", but that's just it, that is a HUGE nerf. Imagine if ANY weapon got hurt THAT badly by a nerf. Prolly the only thing in this whole game that got hit harder than AR's was prolly the missile turrets.
At the beginning of Chromosome people started speccing into other things because the AR had been hit so hard, and yet AR devotee's adapted to the new specs and overcame them. Once they could use them properly again, we heard the cries of OP ringing through the hills again.
The problem isn't that AR's are OP. The problem is that almost EVERYONE uses them. If everyone used mass drivers as much as they currently use AR's, I guarantee you this would be a "nerf MD's" thread instead of a "nerf AR's" thread. It's not the weapon that is the problem, it's that many AR's plus a few specialized weapons spread in makes a good team.
They are abundant because an AR is easy to pick up when coming off of other FPS games, and the sheer number of noobs coming in and picking it up is amazingly high since there are no starter fits with specialized weapons on them to try out. When I play RPG's, I go with swords first 'cause it's what I'm used to in other games and it's always readily available from the start. When I play FPS, "oh, hey, what kinda AR's do they got for a beginner?".
Rather than nerfing things further, thereby further flattening the game, I think we'd be better served by putting special weapons on all starter fits in order to introduce new players to the game's weapons from the start. A laser on an assault starter, a MD on a logi starter, an HMG on a heavy starter & an AR on a crappy scout suit to deter use ;). Introduce the nu-tu-u weapons to them early on and we'd prolly see more diversity.
Just remember, one weapon may kill you more than any other, but when it's pretty much the only weapon being used, it's kinda hard for it not too. |
Gersh Raven beta
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
121
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Posted - 2013.05.06 01:29:00 -
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I have a feeling that all the nerfs and buffs might have been designed to work together. I see a large amount of QQ threads crying about one or two corners of the game. I guess we'll find out in about 12 hours.
I'm looking forward to uprising and finally focusing my SP to be the Best Logi I can be.
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General Hornet
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
41
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Posted - 2013.05.06 01:32:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:just pointing it out, but AR's got a huge nerf at the VERY BEGINNING of cromosome. They were ungodly OP then, now they are... well, let's just say they are less than they were, just to avoid direct arguments. They HAVE been targeted by a nerf, one which removed the OP unflinching scope on all AR's and added recoil to EVERY AR, something they never had before. And just to kick it when it was down, they took around a 5 point drop in DPR.
Now you might say, "yeah that was just dropping of it's excessive OPness", but that's just it, that is a HUGE nerf. Imagine if ANY weapon got hurt THAT badly by a nerf. Prolly the only thing in this whole game that got hit harder than AR's was prolly the missile turrets.
At the beginning of Chromosome people started speccing into other things because the AR had been hit so hard, and yet AR devotee's adapted to the new specs and overcame them. Once they could use them properly again, we heard the cries of OP ringing through the hills again.
The problem isn't that AR's are OP. The problem is that almost EVERYONE uses them. If everyone used mass drivers as much as they currently use AR's, I guarantee you this would be a "nerf MD's" thread instead of a "nerf AR's" thread. It's not the weapon that is the problem, it's that many AR's plus a few specialized weapons spread in makes a good team.
They are abundant because an AR is easy to pick up when coming off of other FPS games, and the sheer number of noobs coming in and picking it up is amazingly high since there are no starter fits with specialized weapons on them to try out. When I play RPG's, I go with swords first 'cause it's what I'm used to in other games and it's always readily available from the start. When I play FPS, "oh, hey, what kinda AR's do they got for a beginner?".
Rather than nerfing things further, thereby further flattening the game, I think we'd be better served by putting special weapons on all starter fits in order to introduce new players to the game's weapons from the start. A laser on an assault starter, a MD on a logi starter, an HMG on a heavy starter & an AR on a crappy scout suit to deter use ;). Introduce the nu-tu-u weapons to them early on and we'd prolly see more diversity.
Just remember, one weapon may kill you more than any other, but when it's pretty much the only weapon being used, it's kinda hard for it not too. This!
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Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
3021
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Posted - 2013.05.06 01:50:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Crash Monster wrote:Don't tell me the QQ coalition is looking to make a comeback? Damn right its QQ. its QQ to make this game fun and fix its promblems. Were beta testers right? well im trying and ill QQ untill something happens. The diffrence between my QQ is im trying to make a diffrence I don't envy Mavado having to deal with you if you do this on comms.
I dont deal with any QQ on comms and Maple doesnt do it on comms cuz he knows its annoyin Heavies on paper are NOT that bad lookin at the changes HP Buff + Rep Tool Buff + LLVs People moaning about SS when SS affects other guns MORE than the HMGs EVERYONE is being brought in closer
Let me run some **** down
SS affects other guns more than HMGs so everyone being brought closer into HMG range CCP , who btw HAS UPRISING and we DONT, prob saw with the current dmg lvls HMGs were now a tad bit too dominant so tweaked dmg Also prob tweaked range a bit cuz again SS is based on a PERCENTAGE so the higher ur NATURAL range the BIGGER buff u actually get from the skill.
Why do Heavies dominate early game? 1 squishy suits from other players AND other players LACK OF SS
*Logic Break........i know this is too much for some ppl to handle so lets pause and catch our breath a bit*
Ok goin back IN
2ndly heavies got an HP BUFF making u HARDER to take down PLUS from what ppl keep saying u now have a Rep Tool BUFF as well, not to mention LLVs gettin the infantry rep module back for insane rate of armor reps. So on paper (and ppl can argue this all they want but im painting it clear as ******* day for them) Heavies are actually very viable.
Have ppl not seen jenzas pick? heavy with over 630 shields and 800 armor......WTF are ppl complaining that much about? combined with LLVs and Rep tools ur a brick wall
The PROBLEM with ppl thinking is that they CANT see past a solo 1v1 perspective and the word "reduced" and start looking at how the game is SUPPOSED to be played.
This is a TEAM game and as i told my other guys when u look at every aspect of the game working together in an organised environment u see how things play out. STOP QQing based on pubs. NO ONE has Uprising.
Why do ppl think assaults got an equipment slot taken away? because logis werent needed when u can split equipment among the various proto assaults now having a few logis are WAY more valuable Hopefully ppls brains didnt overload from all that Logic.
Scout users should be the ppl bitching TBQH. They got the shaft imo seems really weak.
Uprising tomorrow, stop speculating and QQing till we play the thing ppl Im out. *Drops the mic* |
Harkon Vysarii
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
206
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Posted - 2013.05.06 01:51:00 -
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Am I still the only one who runs from Heavies when I see them! |
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CCP Frame
C C P C C P Alliance
782
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Posted - 2013.05.06 01:54:00 -
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Ranting is strictly prohibited. Forum rules can be found right here. For all your constructive feedback, please post in Feedback/Requests forum section. Thank you. |
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