DUST Search - I figured out why SP costs have increased

Cosgar wrote:

Berserker007 wrote:

Cosgar wrote:

Berserker007 wrote:

not sure; as getting proto weapons is still the same 2x skill; it's all the OTHER stuff that has changed. I did a quick calc; if you have under 8M SP; you could be in for a rude awakening. Simply put; a proto suit, plus lv5 Engy & Circ; you are looking at roughly 4.8M SP ; meaning more then 1/2 your SP goes into your suit and max out its fitting potential.

Something to think on

If you haven't seen IWS's excel sheet on chromosome skills multipliers compared to uprising multipliers, circuitry and engineering are 5x multipliers. Even though prototype weapons and modules are easier to get, it's going to be difficult to put them on lower tier suits without dumping a lot of SP into those skills.

how about go do a calc, as i know the new multipliers. 5x maxed is ~ 1.5M SP give or take. Double that is ~3M ; then ~1.8M for proto suit. So we are back at my ~4.8-5M SP for a proto suit and max fitting. Thank you & come again

True, but if you ignore core skills, you won't be getting the full usage out of that prototype suit? Having extra slots and a significantly larger CPU/PG pool to work from is a nice bonus, but are you really going to have that much advantage against someone that has those core skills capped and using STD/ADV equipment? That's why so many proto suits die to STD/ADV in this build. Prototype makes you marginally better, but it's not an "I win button." If anything, that target on your chest gets bigger because opposing players make more money for killing you.

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Sontie Ill Omens EoN. 257	Posted - 2013.05.05 05:03:00 - [1] - Quote During Fanfest, the director of game design revealed that he didn't like how many super-capital ships where in Eve. He wanted them to be far harder to get and rarer. I think this philosophy, that the really advanced stuff should be damn near impossible to get, has made it's way to Dust. It the multipliers in Uprising, if SP is rewarded in the same way, it would be relatively easy to get STD level in whatever you wanted to run in. It would be really hard and would require a lot of focus to get ADV. Proto would be reserved for those whose invest a LOT of time and focus exclusively to get it. The problem is, those guys who get proto will completely wreck those who get STD stuff. Unless they fix matchmaking, this will be a disaster. It's fine to stick STD against STD, but when STD faces ADV, theya re at a sever disadvantage. Just one guy in proto gear can completely wreck a squad of 6 in STD gear... TL;DR I think they are trying to make proto a rara avis (rare bird) but what they will achieve is protobear stomping the likes of which has never been seen.
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 200	Posted - 2013.05.05 05:07:00 - [2] - Quote Sontie wrote: During Fanfest, the director of game design revealed that he didn't like how many super-capital ships where in Eve. He wanted them to be far harder to get and rarer. I think this philosophy, that the really advanced stuff should be damn near impossible to get, has made it's way to Dust. It the multipliers in Uprising, if SP is rewarded in the same way, it would be relatively easy to get STD level in whatever you wanted to run in. It would be really hard and would require a lot of focus to get ADV. Proto would be reserved for those whose invest a LOT of time and focus exclusively to get it. The problem is, those guys who get proto will completely wreck those who get STD stuff. Unless they fix matchmaking, this will be a disaster. It's fine to stick STD against STD, but when STD faces ADV, theya re at a sever disadvantage. Just one guy in proto gear can completely wreck a squad of 6 in STD gear... TL;DR I think they are trying to make proto a rara avis (rare bird) but what they will achieve is protobear stomping the likes of which has never been seen. Thats how it is in EVE right. I mean my Drake probably couldnt solo a tech II ship at all the way it is. Much like a tech 1 fleet would be smushed by evena handful of Tech 2 ships. I suppose in Dust there will always be corps with the best equipment and gear just like how EVE fleets are seen with the best ship.
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 270	Posted - 2013.05.05 05:08:00 - [3] - Quote not sure; as getting proto weapons is still the same 2x skill; it's all the OTHER stuff that has changed. I did a quick calc; if you have under 8M SP; you could be in for a rude awakening. Simply put; a proto suit, plus lv5 Engy & Circ; you are looking at roughly 4.8M SP ; meaning more then 1/2 your SP goes into your suit and max out its fitting potential. Something to think on
Sontie Ill Omens EoN. 257	Posted - 2013.05.05 05:09:00 - [4] - Quote and that's the way it should be. Proto > ADV > STD. But I just worry that the way they are going about this is just going to make the game impossible for new people to break into.
XxWarlordxX97 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1670	Posted - 2013.05.05 05:11:00 - [5] - Quote Berserker007 wrote: not sure; as getting proto weapons is still the same 2x skill; it's all the OTHER stuff that has changed. I did a quick calc; if you have under 8M SP; you could be in for a rude awakening. Simply put; a proto suit, plus lv5 Engy & Circ; you are looking at roughly 4.8M SP ; meaning more then 1/2 your SP goes into your suit and max out its fitting potential. Something to think on I'm in trouble
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 270	Posted - 2013.05.05 05:14:00 - [6] - Quote well, im not sure how EVE PvP works; but from my understanding; a newb can roll into null sec if he so dares; he just better bring a whole lota lube w/ him. Guess the same applies here. Newbs can do FW/PC (maybe), they may get "hurt" but could get good loot if manage a few kills @ Warlord, yeah man; not sure how the other heavy suits are; but SP really is important now; along w/ how/when you spend it
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 455	Posted - 2013.05.05 05:15:00 - [7] - Quote Berserker007 wrote: not sure; as getting proto weapons is still the same 2x skill; it's all the OTHER stuff that has changed. I did a quick calc; if you have under 8M SP; you could be in for a rude awakening. Simply put; a proto suit, plus lv5 Engy & Circ; you are looking at roughly 4.8M SP ; meaning more then 1/2 your SP goes into your suit and max out its fitting potential. Something to think on If you haven't seen IWS's excel sheet on chromosome skills multipliers compared to uprising multipliers, circuitry and engineering are 5x multipliers. Even though prototype weapons and modules are easier to get, it's going to be difficult to put them on lower tier suits without dumping a lot of SP into those skills.
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 270	Posted - 2013.05.05 05:18:00 - [8] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Berserker007 wrote: not sure; as getting proto weapons is still the same 2x skill; it's all the OTHER stuff that has changed. I did a quick calc; if you have under 8M SP; you could be in for a rude awakening. Simply put; a proto suit, plus lv5 Engy & Circ; you are looking at roughly 4.8M SP ; meaning more then 1/2 your SP goes into your suit and max out its fitting potential. Something to think on If you haven't seen IWS's excel sheet on chromosome skills multipliers compared to uprising multipliers, circuitry and engineering are 5x multipliers. Even though prototype weapons and modules are easier to get, it's going to be difficult to put them on lower tier suits without dumping a lot of SP into those skills. how about go do a calc, as i know the new multipliers. 5x maxed is ~ 1.5M SP give or take. Double that is ~3M ; then ~1.8M for proto suit. So we are back at my ~4.8-5M SP for a proto suit and max fitting. Thank you & come again
Sontie Ill Omens EoN. 257	Posted - 2013.05.05 05:19:00 - [9] - Quote I hope FW and PC is enough to keep the proto stompers from rolling over instant battles.... when I joined near the end of closed beta, Ambush was my only chance of avoiding the really good established players who preferred skirmish at the time. Now skirmish has been broken by afk'ers and such so you see highly skilled and highly geared squads completely owning ambush and ambush oms. It's terrible.
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 270	Posted - 2013.05.05 05:20:00 - [10] - Quote unlikely; as you only battle 1 hour a day for defense; and PC is a massive ISK sink hole most likely; so people will need to make it back in FW/Pubs

NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 145	Posted - 2013.05.05 05:20:00 - [11] - Quote I'm just wondering, why couldn't the base number for skill costs be like 5,000 or something, it just had to be some random ass number. the same goes for each level. CCP wHy YoU nO mAkE iT sImPlE fOr We WhO aRe BaD aT mAtHs
Logi Bro Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 1332	Posted - 2013.05.05 05:22:00 - [12] - Quote Berserker007 wrote: Cosgar wrote: Berserker007 wrote: not sure; as getting proto weapons is still the same 2x skill; it's all the OTHER stuff that has changed. I did a quick calc; if you have under 8M SP; you could be in for a rude awakening. Simply put; a proto suit, plus lv5 Engy & Circ; you are looking at roughly 4.8M SP ; meaning more then 1/2 your SP goes into your suit and max out its fitting potential. Something to think on If you haven't seen IWS's excel sheet on chromosome skills multipliers compared to uprising multipliers, circuitry and engineering are 5x multipliers. Even though prototype weapons and modules are easier to get, it's going to be difficult to put them on lower tier suits without dumping a lot of SP into those skills. how about go do a calc, as i know the new multipliers. 5x maxed is ~ 1.5M SP give or take. Double that is ~3M ; then ~1.8M for proto suit. So we are back at my ~4.8-5M SP for a proto suit and max fitting. Thank you & come again That's if you completely ignore specializing into a specific class. Proto logi would run me about 8 mil, roughly 2 mil more than I actually have, completely ignoring any other skills needed to use weaponry, equipment, etc.
Cinnamon267 Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 30	Posted - 2013.05.05 05:24:00 - [13] - Quote The way it should be.
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 270	Posted - 2013.05.05 05:26:00 - [14] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Berserker007 wrote: Cosgar wrote: Berserker007 wrote: not sure; as getting proto weapons is still the same 2x skill; it's all the OTHER stuff that has changed. I did a quick calc; if you have under 8M SP; you could be in for a rude awakening. Simply put; a proto suit, plus lv5 Engy & Circ; you are looking at roughly 4.8M SP ; meaning more then 1/2 your SP goes into your suit and max out its fitting potential. Something to think on If you haven't seen IWS's excel sheet on chromosome skills multipliers compared to uprising multipliers, circuitry and engineering are 5x multipliers. Even though prototype weapons and modules are easier to get, it's going to be difficult to put them on lower tier suits without dumping a lot of SP into those skills. how about go do a calc, as i know the new multipliers. 5x maxed is ~ 1.5M SP give or take. Double that is ~3M ; then ~1.8M for proto suit. So we are back at my ~4.8-5M SP for a proto suit and max fitting. Thank you & come again That's if you completely ignore specializing into a specific class. Proto logi would run me about 8 mil, roughly 2 mil more than I actually have, completely ignoring any other skills needed to use weaponry, equipment, etc. if read original post; i said w/ 8M SP or less; as i dont think someone would get proto logi w/ racial bonus & max fittings to fit nothing of worth on it. Thanks and try again @Sontie, sry 4 semi taking over and helpful trolling people
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 455	Posted - 2013.05.05 05:28:00 - [15] - Quote Berserker007 wrote: Cosgar wrote: Berserker007 wrote: not sure; as getting proto weapons is still the same 2x skill; it's all the OTHER stuff that has changed. I did a quick calc; if you have under 8M SP; you could be in for a rude awakening. Simply put; a proto suit, plus lv5 Engy & Circ; you are looking at roughly 4.8M SP ; meaning more then 1/2 your SP goes into your suit and max out its fitting potential. Something to think on If you haven't seen IWS's excel sheet on chromosome skills multipliers compared to uprising multipliers, circuitry and engineering are 5x multipliers. Even though prototype weapons and modules are easier to get, it's going to be difficult to put them on lower tier suits without dumping a lot of SP into those skills. how about go do a calc, as i know the new multipliers. 5x maxed is ~ 1.5M SP give or take. Double that is ~3M ; then ~1.8M for proto suit. So we are back at my ~4.8-5M SP for a proto suit and max fitting. Thank you & come again True, but if you ignore core skills, you won't be getting the full usage out of that prototype suit. Having extra slots and a significantly larger CPU/PG pool to work from is a nice bonus, but are you really going to have that much advantage against someone that has those core skills capped and using STD/ADV equipment? That's why so many proto suits die to STD/ADV in this build. Prototype makes you marginally better, but it's not an "I win button." If anything, that target on your chest gets bigger because opposing players make more money for killing you.
DeadlyAztec11 One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas 169	Posted - 2013.05.05 05:30:00 - [16] - Quote If you and five other guys are getting wrecked by only one proto guy... You need to go down to the training forum and have a chat with Bojo the Mighty-¬
Logi Bro Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 1332	Posted - 2013.05.05 05:31:00 - [17] - Quote Berserker007 wrote: Logi Bro wrote: Berserker007 wrote: Cosgar wrote: Berserker007 wrote: not sure; as getting proto weapons is still the same 2x skill; it's all the OTHER stuff that has changed. I did a quick calc; if you have under 8M SP; you could be in for a rude awakening. Simply put; a proto suit, plus lv5 Engy & Circ; you are looking at roughly 4.8M SP ; meaning more then 1/2 your SP goes into your suit and max out its fitting potential. Something to think on If you haven't seen IWS's excel sheet on chromosome skills multipliers compared to uprising multipliers, circuitry and engineering are 5x multipliers. Even though prototype weapons and modules are easier to get, it's going to be difficult to put them on lower tier suits without dumping a lot of SP into those skills. how about go do a calc, as i know the new multipliers. 5x maxed is ~ 1.5M SP give or take. Double that is ~3M ; then ~1.8M for proto suit. So we are back at my ~4.8-5M SP for a proto suit and max fitting. Thank you & come again That's if you completely ignore specializing into a specific class. Proto logi would run me about 8 mil, roughly 2 mil more than I actually have, completely ignoring any other skills needed to use weaponry, equipment, etc. if read original post; i said w/ 8M SP or less; as i dont think someone would get proto logi w/ racial bonus & max fittings to fit nothing of worth on it. Thanks and try again @Sontie, sry 4 semi taking over and helpful trolling people Your response makes no sense. I said your math was based on getting just the racial frame skills, then said if I had wanted to specialize, it would cost me even more than I have, because as a logi, I would obviously want to specialize. Maybe you should try again.
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 270	Posted - 2013.05.05 05:32:00 - [18] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Berserker007 wrote: Cosgar wrote: Berserker007 wrote: not sure; as getting proto weapons is still the same 2x skill; it's all the OTHER stuff that has changed. I did a quick calc; if you have under 8M SP; you could be in for a rude awakening. Simply put; a proto suit, plus lv5 Engy & Circ; you are looking at roughly 4.8M SP ; meaning more then 1/2 your SP goes into your suit and max out its fitting potential. Something to think on If you haven't seen IWS's excel sheet on chromosome skills multipliers compared to uprising multipliers, circuitry and engineering are 5x multipliers. Even though prototype weapons and modules are easier to get, it's going to be difficult to put them on lower tier suits without dumping a lot of SP into those skills. how about go do a calc, as i know the new multipliers. 5x maxed is ~ 1.5M SP give or take. Double that is ~3M ; then ~1.8M for proto suit. So we are back at my ~4.8-5M SP for a proto suit and max fitting. Thank you & come again True, but if you ignore core skills, you won't be getting the full usage out of that prototype suit? Having extra slots and a significantly larger CPU/PG pool to work from is a nice bonus, but are you really going to have that much advantage against someone that has those core skills capped and using STD/ADV equipment? That's why so many proto suits die to STD/ADV in this build. Prototype makes you marginally better, but it's not an "I win button." If anything, that target on your chest gets bigger because opposing players make more money for killing you. just wow today on the forum. I feel like im taking the special bus or something. As i said, at an 8M SP count and below; based on Sontie talking about proto>adv>std ; i said about 4.8-5M would be suits and fitting. That still gives you 3M to do WeTFYWW .
Orin the Freak Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 501	Posted - 2013.05.05 05:34:00 - [19] - Quote Sooo .. you are comparing super caps with proto dropsuits? lolololololololol. Obvious non-EVE player is Obvious. Just to sit in a titan would take you roughly half a year+. If you want to actually be able to fly it, it will take you easily a year+ Most people can't fly them before they are a few years into the game. and then, once you actually get one, that character usually never leaves the titan. in DUST, if you play for 4 months with boosters, you can get almost all the best gear necessary to your class. Sans maybe logi, due to having so many sub-skill sets (equipment, armor repair, etc) still, yeah. maybe if they ever bring out even more "powerful" dropsuits/weapons, and they were like 15x - 20x, THEN maybe I could agree that this game would take you a year to fully spec into a fully-fit dropsuit. and I honestly hope thats the direction they go with it. Realistically, I think it should take roughly 6 months to be in a position to where you are maxed out in one dropsuit specialization. (including a few different weapons) A year to max out all of one races specialized suits (including the coming pilot/commander/etc suits). as far as vehicles go, I think they are pretty good as is, but they should get a more powerful "true" prototype class of tanks and dropships, and possibly even a special prototype LAV. anyway, thats all just ideas. but really, I think CCP is on the right track, making us spend more to specialize. I just wish there was a little more reason to speccing into an assault suit over just getting a couple of bonus stats. those stats help, but not as much as getting a more powerful dropsuit would help. I just want to see the xk.1 series. hopefully it's like a tech 2 suit, with markedly better stats across the board, and less "drawbacks". But for like twice the cost of the xk.0 suits.
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 270	Posted - 2013.05.05 05:35:00 - [20] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Your response makes no sense. I said your math was based on getting just the racial frame skills, then said if I had wanted to specialize, it would cost me even more than I have, because as a logi, I would obviously want to specialize. Maybe you should try again. and i said going off of an 8M SP count a below; your count put you at 8.2M ;so no SH*T it wont work. As im also keeping SP aside to do other stuff w/ as your not gana go fight a battle in proto suit w/ militia gear. Go back and put on your helmet and ride the special bus

Logi Bro Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 1332	Posted - 2013.05.05 05:42:00 - [21] - Quote Berserker007 wrote: Logi Bro wrote: Your response makes no sense. I said your math was based on getting just the racial frame skills, then said if I had wanted to specialize, it would cost me even more than I have, because as a logi, I would obviously want to specialize. Maybe you should try again. and i said going off of an 8M SP count a below; your count put you at 8.2M ;so no SH*T it wont work. As im also keeping SP aside to do other stuff w/ as your not gana go fight a battle in proto suit w/ militia gear. Go back and put on your helmet and ride the special bus You need to get off your steroids, because you are suffering from a severe case of roid rage. Let me rephrase to make it abundantly clear, because based on your repeated responses, I think you are the one that should be riding the special bus. Your math was correct, but IDGAF because it was based solely on getting a racial frame suit, I was giving an estimate of how much it would cost to get a specialized suit, not responding to your comment, but just using it as a math reference.
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 270	Posted - 2013.05.05 05:49:00 - [22] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Berserker007 wrote: Logi Bro wrote: Your response makes no sense. I said your math was based on getting just the racial frame skills, then said if I had wanted to specialize, it would cost me even more than I have, because as a logi, I would obviously want to specialize. Maybe you should try again. and i said going off of an 8M SP count a below; your count put you at 8.2M ;so no SH*T it wont work. As im also keeping SP aside to do other stuff w/ as your not gana go fight a battle in proto suit w/ militia gear. Go back and put on your helmet and ride the special bus You need to get off your steroids, because you are suffering from a severe case of roid rage. Let me rephrase to make it abundantly clear, because based on your repeated responses, I think you are the one that should be riding the special bus. Your math was correct, but IDGAF because it was based solely on getting a racial frame suit, I was giving an estimate of how much it would cost to get a specialized suit, not responding to your comment, but just using it as a math reference. yes, it would take about 8.2M SP to get a racial suit maxed w/ Circ & Engy. For players who are currently under that SP level or about on it; getting a maxed racial suit wouldn't be helpful; as they'd be fill all the module slots w/ either militia or basic gear. Im simply getting at, those with say 8M SP and below; or those just starting will have it very difficult. As it is easier to get a proto suit then it was and same "difficulty" to get a proto weapon; but everything else core skill wise is "harder" that it will take more SP then it currently does, meaning more time. Now not only is SP on our side, but time as well. As they need to readjust a lot w/ SP reallocation, for us with 9M+, all we need are slight tweeks, and move SP from stuff we tested to more real/needed area, and we are good to go. Yes we may need to skim off certain skills; but pending on what you are speccing to, that amount of SP can simply be redistributed elsewhere.
RydogV Shadow Company HQ 110	Posted - 2013.05.05 05:54:00 - [23] - Quote "Impossible to get"?!?! How do you figure that OP? We are talking like roughly a three and a half million SP to go Proto in a Race/Role specific dropsuit. And some of that is offset by the fact that going Proto in just Race/Frame Basic is going to cost you less then current Proto since it will only be a 6x multiplier. Three and a half million skill points is like what...6 to 8 weeks of playtime...3 months max for someone only playing moderately with no boosters. Far from impossible.
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 271	Posted - 2013.05.05 05:59:00 - [24] - Quote RydogV wrote: "Impossible to get"?!?! How do you figure that OP? We are talking like roughly a three and a half million SP to go Proto in a Race/Role specific dropsuit. And some of that is offset by the fact that going Proto in just Race/Frame Basic is going to cost you less then current Proto since it will only be a 6x multiplier. Three and a half million skill points is like what...6 to 8 weeks of playtime...3 months max for someone only playing moderately with no boosters. Far from impossible. w/o boosters if play till hit your weekly cap and that sit; you'll max out your racial bonus (the 10x skill) in about 8-9 weeks
xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries 135	Posted - 2013.05.05 06:06:00 - [25] - Quote 3 months to get 3 million to do core engineering and electronics? Awesome. What fun people are going to have trying to get a base character. 6 months or more just to get one built before doing anything beyond basic skills, a weapon, and a medium suit. And that's if you max out each week. I guess wait till tomorrow to see if the maths stack up, but I can't see anyone but the hardcore and the OCD willing to grind 6 months for a base characters.
Jotun Hiem The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 584	Posted - 2013.05.05 06:21:00 - [26] - Quote Berserker007 wrote: not sure; as getting proto weapons is still the same 2x skill; it's all the OTHER stuff that has changed. I did a quick calc; if you have under 8M SP; you could be in for a rude awakening. Simply put; a proto suit, plus lv5 Engy & Circ; you are looking at roughly 4.8M SP ; meaning more then 1/2 your SP goes into your suit and max out its fitting potential. Something to think on I guess it's good that I never got into the habit of running anything over STD in the first place. If being a Heavy taught me anything, it was how to be frugal.
Razielraze Verboten XXI 0	Posted - 2013.05.05 09:18:00 - [27] - Quote Jotun Hiem wrote: Berserker007 wrote: not sure; as getting proto weapons is still the same 2x skill; it's all the OTHER stuff that has changed. I did a quick calc; if you have under 8M SP; you could be in for a rude awakening. Simply put; a proto suit, plus lv5 Engy & Circ; you are looking at roughly 4.8M SP ; meaning more then 1/2 your SP goes into your suit and max out its fitting potential. Something to think on I guess it's good that I never got into the habit of running anything over STD in the first place. If being a Heavy taught me anything, it was how to be frugal. Damn straight. lol
Arramakaian Eka Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 437	Posted - 2013.05.05 09:44:00 - [28] - Quote Sontie wrote: Unless they fix matchmaking, this will be a disaster. It's fine to stick STD against STD, but when STD faces ADV, theya re at a sever disadvantage. Just one guy in proto gear can completely wreck a squad of 6 in STD gear... MM will be tough to fix when only a handful of people have proto gear, ie. not enough to put them in separate matches. Therefore those few beta players with 10M SP will be running around in full proto gear, while the vast masses will be in STD or ADV gear - on the same maps.
DeeJay One BetaMax. CRONOS. 25	Posted - 2013.05.05 10:34:00 - [29] - Quote Sontie wrote: During Fanfest, the director of game design revealed that he didn't like how many super-capital ships where in Eve. He wanted them to be far harder to get and rarer. I think this philosophy, that the really advanced stuff should be damn near impossible to get, has made it's way to Dust. Well, it hasn't increased and is actually lower (see IWS's post https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72238) we got a whole new tier of suits to burn through. Period. P.S. Why doesn't anyone get it that we have a whole new tier with proto suits in it is beyond my imagination...


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