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Posted - 2013.05.05 05:08:00 -
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not sure; as getting proto weapons is still the same 2x skill; it's all the OTHER stuff that has changed. I did a quick calc; if you have under 8M SP; you could be in for a rude awakening. Simply put; a proto suit, plus lv5 Engy & Circ; you are looking at roughly 4.8M SP ; meaning more then 1/2 your SP goes into your suit and max out its fitting potential.
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Posted - 2013.05.05 05:14:00 -
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well, im not sure how EVE PvP works; but from my understanding; a newb can roll into null sec if he so dares; he just better bring a whole lota lube w/ him. Guess the same applies here. Newbs can do FW/PC (maybe), they may get "hurt" but could get good loot if manage a few kills
@ Warlord, yeah man; not sure how the other heavy suits are; but SP really is important now; along w/ how/when you spend it |
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Posted - 2013.05.05 05:18:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Berserker007 wrote:not sure; as getting proto weapons is still the same 2x skill; it's all the OTHER stuff that has changed. I did a quick calc; if you have under 8M SP; you could be in for a rude awakening. Simply put; a proto suit, plus lv5 Engy & Circ; you are looking at roughly 4.8M SP ; meaning more then 1/2 your SP goes into your suit and max out its fitting potential.
Something to think on If you haven't seen IWS's excel sheet on chromosome skills multipliers compared to uprising multipliers, circuitry and engineering are 5x multipliers. Even though prototype weapons and modules are easier to get, it's going to be difficult to put them on lower tier suits without dumping a lot of SP into those skills.
how about go do a calc, as i know the new multipliers. 5x maxed is ~ 1.5M SP give or take. Double that is ~3M ; then ~1.8M for proto suit. So we are back at my ~4.8-5M SP for a proto suit and max fitting. Thank you & come again |
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Posted - 2013.05.05 05:20:00 -
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unlikely; as you only battle 1 hour a day for defense; and PC is a massive ISK sink hole most likely; so people will need to make it back in FW/Pubs |
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Posted - 2013.05.05 05:26:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Berserker007 wrote:Cosgar wrote:Berserker007 wrote:not sure; as getting proto weapons is still the same 2x skill; it's all the OTHER stuff that has changed. I did a quick calc; if you have under 8M SP; you could be in for a rude awakening. Simply put; a proto suit, plus lv5 Engy & Circ; you are looking at roughly 4.8M SP ; meaning more then 1/2 your SP goes into your suit and max out its fitting potential.
Something to think on If you haven't seen IWS's excel sheet on chromosome skills multipliers compared to uprising multipliers, circuitry and engineering are 5x multipliers. Even though prototype weapons and modules are easier to get, it's going to be difficult to put them on lower tier suits without dumping a lot of SP into those skills. how about go do a calc, as i know the new multipliers. 5x maxed is ~ 1.5M SP give or take. Double that is ~3M ; then ~1.8M for proto suit. So we are back at my ~4.8-5M SP for a proto suit and max fitting. Thank you & come again That's if you completely ignore specializing into a specific class. Proto logi would run me about 8 mil, roughly 2 mil more than I actually have, completely ignoring any other skills needed to use weaponry, equipment, etc.
if read original post; i said w/ 8M SP or less; as i dont think someone would get proto logi w/ racial bonus & max fittings to fit nothing of worth on it.
Thanks and try again
@Sontie, sry 4 semi taking over and helpful trolling people |
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Posted - 2013.05.05 05:32:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Berserker007 wrote:Cosgar wrote:Berserker007 wrote:not sure; as getting proto weapons is still the same 2x skill; it's all the OTHER stuff that has changed. I did a quick calc; if you have under 8M SP; you could be in for a rude awakening. Simply put; a proto suit, plus lv5 Engy & Circ; you are looking at roughly 4.8M SP ; meaning more then 1/2 your SP goes into your suit and max out its fitting potential.
Something to think on If you haven't seen IWS's excel sheet on chromosome skills multipliers compared to uprising multipliers, circuitry and engineering are 5x multipliers. Even though prototype weapons and modules are easier to get, it's going to be difficult to put them on lower tier suits without dumping a lot of SP into those skills. how about go do a calc, as i know the new multipliers. 5x maxed is ~ 1.5M SP give or take. Double that is ~3M ; then ~1.8M for proto suit. So we are back at my ~4.8-5M SP for a proto suit and max fitting. Thank you & come again True, but if you ignore core skills, you won't be getting the full usage out of that prototype suit? Having extra slots and a significantly larger CPU/PG pool to work from is a nice bonus, but are you really going to have that much advantage against someone that has those core skills capped and using STD/ADV equipment? That's why so many proto suits die to STD/ADV in this build. Prototype makes you marginally better, but it's not an "I win button." If anything, that target on your chest gets bigger because opposing players make more money for killing you.
just wow today on the forum. I feel like im taking the special bus or something. As i said, at an 8M SP count and below; based on Sontie talking about proto>adv>std ; i said about 4.8-5M would be suits and fitting. That still gives you 3M to do WeTFYWW . |
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Posted - 2013.05.05 05:35:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:
Your response makes no sense. I said your math was based on getting just the racial frame skills, then said if I had wanted to specialize, it would cost me even more than I have, because as a logi, I would obviously want to specialize. Maybe you should try again.
and i said going off of an 8M SP count a below; your count put you at 8.2M ;so no SH*T it wont work. As im also keeping SP aside to do other stuff w/ as your not gana go fight a battle in proto suit w/ militia gear. Go back and put on your helmet and ride the special bus
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Posted - 2013.05.05 05:49:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Berserker007 wrote:Logi Bro wrote:
Your response makes no sense. I said your math was based on getting just the racial frame skills, then said if I had wanted to specialize, it would cost me even more than I have, because as a logi, I would obviously want to specialize. Maybe you should try again.
and i said going off of an 8M SP count a below; your count put you at 8.2M ;so no SH*T it wont work. As im also keeping SP aside to do other stuff w/ as your not gana go fight a battle in proto suit w/ militia gear. Go back and put on your helmet and ride the special bus You need to get off your steroids, because you are suffering from a severe case of roid rage. Let me rephrase to make it abundantly clear, because based on your repeated responses, I think you are the one that should be riding the special bus. Your math was correct, but IDGAF because it was based solely on getting a racial frame suit, I was giving an estimate of how much it would cost to get a specialized suit, not responding to your comment, but just using it as a math reference.
yes, it would take about 8.2M SP to get a racial suit maxed w/ Circ & Engy. For players who are currently under that SP level or about on it; getting a maxed racial suit wouldn't be helpful; as they'd be fill all the module slots w/ either militia or basic gear.
Im simply getting at, those with say 8M SP and below; or those just starting will have it very difficult. As it is easier to get a proto suit then it was and same "difficulty" to get a proto weapon; but everything else core skill wise is "harder" that it will take more SP then it currently does, meaning more time.
Now not only is SP on our side, but time as well. As they need to readjust a lot w/ SP reallocation, for us with 9M+, all we need are slight tweeks, and move SP from stuff we tested to more real/needed area, and we are good to go. Yes we may need to skim off certain skills; but pending on what you are speccing to, that amount of SP can simply be redistributed elsewhere. |
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Posted - 2013.05.05 05:59:00 -
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RydogV wrote:"Impossible to get"?!?!
How do you figure that OP? We are talking like roughly a three and a half million SP to go Proto in a Race/Role specific dropsuit. And some of that is offset by the fact that going Proto in just Race/Frame Basic is going to cost you less then current Proto since it will only be a 6x multiplier.
Three and a half million skill points is like what...6 to 8 weeks of playtime...3 months max for someone only playing moderately with no boosters. Far from impossible.
w/o boosters if play till hit your weekly cap and that sit; you'll max out your racial bonus (the 10x skill) in about 8-9 weeks |
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