DUST Search - Need to charge team killers!!!!!!

ladwar wrote:

Alaika Arbosa wrote:

ladwar wrote:

Alaika Arbosa wrote:

TBH, I agree that something needs to be done about TKing.

It sounds counter intuitive, though I think FF being on would in the long term fix the TK problem. Right now, the only way to TK is by exploiting game mechanics, leaving no way to retaliate except by using the same exploits.

If we're not going to have a negative to TKing, give us FF so we can deal with it ourselves. Trust me, it won't be as bad as some think it will.

and that's where your wrong.. griefer are a big part of eve and turning FF in pub matches turns into a big grief feast. as who cares if you win theres nothing to gain by it.

You're just afraid you'd be targeted. No FF means no real recourse for forums asshattery. Besides, there are mechanics to deal with griefing in Eve, no reason there shouldn't be in Dust.

If Risk v. Reward gameplay is to be had in Dust, both FF and "punishment" mechanic for griefing need to be included.

to be honest if FF was every turn on theres a lot names on my block list that I would go after and murder repeatedly even if they were on my team and I wouldn't care to help win.. TK is all I would do and there is no punishment that would stop(unless I really couldn't que for matches which I LOL about) the rain of terror I would have fun with I have plenty of isk and lots of cheap ways to TK now and later. FF on pub matches is just bad.

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ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 295	Posted - 2013.05.05 05:27:00 - [31] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: ladwar wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: TBH, I agree that something needs to be done about TKing. It sounds counter intuitive, though I think FF being on would in the long term fix the TK problem. Right now, the only way to TK is by exploiting game mechanics, leaving no way to retaliate except by using the same exploits. If we're not going to have a negative to TKing, give us FF so we can deal with it ourselves. Trust me, it won't be as bad as some think it will. and that's where your wrong.. griefer are a big part of eve and turning FF in pub matches turns into a big grief feast. as who cares if you win theres nothing to gain by it. You're just afraid you'd be targeted. No FF means no real recourse for forums asshattery. Besides, there are mechanics to deal with griefing in Eve, no reason there shouldn't be in Dust. If Risk v. Reward gameplay is to be had in Dust, both FF and "punishment" mechanic for griefing need to be included. to be honest if FF was every turn on theres a lot names on my block list that I would go after and murder repeatedly even if they were on my team and I wouldn't care to help win.. TK is all I would do and there is no punishment that would stop(unless I really couldn't que for matches which I LOL about) the rain of terror I would have fun with I have plenty of isk and lots of cheap ways to TK now and later. FF on pub matches is just bad.
danny12343331 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 49	Posted - 2013.05.05 05:29:00 - [32] - Quote Watch out for, "Goonfeet". Bunch of team killing players in that corp.
Eltra Ardell Goonfeet 31	Posted - 2013.05.05 05:40:00 - [33] - Quote danny12343331 wrote: Watch out for, "Goonfeet". Bunch of team killing players in that corp. God bless their souls.
Moronic Farce Goonfeet 7	Posted - 2013.05.05 05:46:00 - [34] - Quote danny12343331 wrote: Watch out for, "Goonfeet". Bunch of team killing players in that corp. Goonfeet has been around for a day and a half and its already famous! Take that people who work for corp recognition the "right" way!
Heinz Doofenshertz BetaMax. CRONOS. 379	Posted - 2013.05.05 05:53:00 - [35] - Quote Welcome to New Eden. Don't use anything you can't afford to lose.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet 769	Posted - 2013.05.05 07:56:00 - [36] - Quote danny12343331 wrote: Watch out for, "Goonfeet". Bunch of team killing players in that corp. I'm afraid I must object to this deplorable and unwarranted accusation. We of the Goonfeet Corporation have not been involved in any such thing, all trolling aside and do not endorse it. Should this teamkilling you speak of become a problem in the game with our members please send me an in-game mail with the appropriate information. Who was doing the teamkilling, how they were doing it, who the victims were. We are not the Immobile Infantry and will not stand for such juvenile behavior. Rest assured that if the behavior is reported it will be dealt with appropriately. In conclusion, if it wasn't one of my corpmates who drove over the OP multiple times then I must point and laugh. But we don't do that kind of thing.
sammus420 Goonfeet 43	Posted - 2013.05.05 08:11:00 - [37] - Quote Harkon Vysarii wrote: Wait did a sniper in a Skirmish match just tell me that he can help win from a redline scneario? I had a guy tell me that same thing recently over 4 long hate and tear filled messages after I liberated his Thale rifle from him. His answer when I told him to try leaving the redline was litterally "Why would I do that?" If you're behind the red in skirmish, I don't care if you go 100/0. You aren't helping your team win nearly as much as you think you are.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 302	Posted - 2013.05.05 08:19:00 - [38] - Quote don't like snipers in skirmish? snipers have a point but the trend is that they don't help out much.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet 769	Posted - 2013.05.05 08:25:00 - [39] - Quote ladwar wrote: don't like snipers in skirmish? snipers have a point but the trend is that they don't help out much. snipers at the redline add nothing useful to a skirmish match except maybe a few random dead redberries. Shotty Scouts are far more useful because they can assassinate and take objectives.
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 203	Posted - 2013.05.05 08:27:00 - [40] - Quote sammus420 wrote: Harkon Vysarii wrote: Wait did a sniper in a Skirmish match just tell me that he can help win from a redline scneario? I had a guy tell me that same thing recently over 4 long hate and tear filled messages after I liberated his Thale rifle from him. His answer when I told him to try leaving the redline was litterally "Why would I do that?" If you're behind the red in skirmish, I don't care if you go 100/0. You aren't helping your team win nearly as much as you think you are. The only time I have ever seen a sniper help in Skirmish was when they camped an open objective and prevented any hacks on it until his squad arrive on it. Otherwise they are simply sitting out there hoping no one sees them and that people who are actually fighting are dying due to lack of support.

sammus420 Goonfeet 43	Posted - 2013.05.05 08:28:00 - [41] - Quote ladwar wrote: don't like snipers in skirmish? snipers have a point but the trend is that they don't help out much. I don't mind snipers who get into the game and go places where they actually have to do slightly more than focus down their scope and never watch their back. I think sniping in Dust is actually a lot of fun. But it's a bad gameplay mechanic when they can sit somewhere completely immune to the other team and plink away at people.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 153	Posted - 2013.05.05 14:33:00 - [42] - Quote ladwar wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: ladwar wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: TBH, I agree that something needs to be done about TKing. It sounds counter intuitive, though I think FF being on would in the long term fix the TK problem. Right now, the only way to TK is by exploiting game mechanics, leaving no way to retaliate except by using the same exploits. If we're not going to have a negative to TKing, give us FF so we can deal with it ourselves. Trust me, it won't be as bad as some think it will. and that's where your wrong.. griefer are a big part of eve and turning FF in pub matches turns into a big grief feast. as who cares if you win theres nothing to gain by it. You're just afraid you'd be targeted. No FF means no real recourse for forums asshattery. Besides, there are mechanics to deal with griefing in Eve, no reason there shouldn't be in Dust. If Risk v. Reward gameplay is to be had in Dust, both FF and "punishment" mechanic for griefing need to be included. to be honest if FF was every turn on theres a lot names on my block list that I would go after and murder repeatedly even if they were on my team and I wouldn't care to help win.. TK is all I would do and there is no punishment that would stop(unless I really couldn't que for matches which I LOL about) the rain of terror I would have fun with I have plenty of isk and lots of cheap ways to TK now and later. FF on pub matches is just bad. If we ever get standings with NPC corps for fighting then you may be restricted to only fighting in PC by way of player contracts. If you lose enough standing that the NPC corps will not offer you contracts and with stiff enough fines for TKing you'd get shut down quick enough. Lose enough standing and then you're left all on your lonesome, go ahead make a TK alt and run around with **** skills until you run that one into the ground too. FF isn't a bad as people seem to think it would be. FF is on in Eve, if only for New Eden consistency it should be on in Dust too.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp Orion Empire 5	Posted - 2013.05.05 14:41:00 - [43] - Quote This does not only effect snipers I have spawned in at the beginning of a game in my Heavy was run down by a blue LAV. The same guy continued to run down various other teammates including me another time or two throughout the entire match. It is uncalled for and these players should be banned.
Delta 749 Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 6	Posted - 2013.05.05 14:51:00 - [44] - Quote Im amazed there isnt an auto kick already in place after X amount of team kills But I guess Im not really all that surprised since they didnt even do a good job of preventing them in the first place
Billi Gene The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 136	Posted - 2013.05.05 15:17:00 - [45] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: ladwar wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: TBH, I agree that something needs to be done about TKing. It sounds counter intuitive, though I think FF being on would in the long term fix the TK problem. Right now, the only way to TK is by exploiting game mechanics, leaving no way to retaliate except by using the same exploits. If we're not going to have a negative to TKing, give us FF so we can deal with it ourselves. Trust me, it won't be as bad as some think it will. and that's where your wrong.. griefer are a big part of eve and turning FF in pub matches turns into a big grief feast. as who cares if you win theres nothing to gain by it. You're just afraid you'd be targeted. No FF means no real recourse for forums asshattery. Besides, there are mechanics to deal with griefing in Eve, no reason there shouldn't be in Dust. If Risk v. Reward gameplay is to be had in Dust, both FF and "punishment" mechanic for griefing need to be included. currently th only game mode that will have any hint of risk will be PC, DUST FW has the same rewards as Pub matches, and although it is tied into EvE FW has little real consequence for DUSTers. Allowing FF into FW or Pub matches would only estrange newer players from DUST, and further would be openly abused by griefers. I could see FF in FW if TK incurred faction standing loss, and that mercs would need to be ferried across New Eden as scannable cargo, opening up the possibility of losing a ship if you carry a Merc with negative standing thru faction space :P THAT would be a proper example of Eve-like risk/reward :P and a system that though abusable in the short term would quickly counterbalance DUST FW TKer actions, disallowing them from joining on a faction side that they have lost to much standing with from TKing. but then the griefers would have no fun =D ... :P.. 'yaaaaay' for kiddies and their games......
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 649	Posted - 2013.05.05 15:48:00 - [46] - Quote Team-killed a guy twice with an LAV, he ended up sending me almost 30 mails during the match in order to spam me. Which is rather stupid cause that stuff I report strait to support and am expecting some form of ban. ;)
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2192	Posted - 2013.05.05 15:52:00 - [47] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Team-killed a guy twice with an LAV, he ended up sending me almost 30 mails during the match in order to spam me. Which is rather stupid cause that stuff I report strait to support and am expecting some form of ban. ;) Must have been trying to do to you what alliance fleets use to do to carrier pilots in Eve before CCP labeled it an exploit.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 649	Posted - 2013.05.05 15:55:00 - [48] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Rasatsu wrote: Team-killed a guy twice with an LAV, he ended up sending me almost 30 mails during the match in order to spam me. Which is rather stupid cause that stuff I report strait to support and am expecting some form of ban. ;) Must have been trying to do to you what alliance fleets use to do to carrier pilots in Eve before CCP labeled it an exploit. That's why, when seeing the incoming email notifications grow from 10, 15, 20 to 25+ a grin of delight grew. Writing the support email was pure bliss. I might even have giggled a bit.
Enderr Wigginn KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 96	Posted - 2013.05.06 09:00:00 - [49] - Quote danny12343331 wrote: Watch out for, "Goonfeet". Bunch of team killing players in that corp. Yep they got me twice tonight with a lav at least they were BPO suits and tried with a grenade while I was calling in a lav but failed. There was a squad of them, they went 0-12, 1-14 and 2-16 with 0 sp. I know them now I will just back out of a match I see them in and warned my corp.


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