Amarr Medium
Amarr Heavy
Gallente Light
Gallente Medium
Minmatar Light
Minmatar Medium
Caldari Medium

Are all 6x skills

2 million skill points nets you your first protosuits.

That's 400k less than current.

The generic suits are not that bad or that much different from what some of you guys have right now.

In all honesty they should have renamed the specialist suits to be something like Recon, Attack, Engineer to not confuse you guys.

Amarr Medium
Amarr Heavy
Gallente Light
Gallente Medium
Minmatar Light
Minmatar Medium
Caldari Medium

Are all 6x skills

2 million skill points nets you your first protosuits.

That's 400k less than current.

The generic suits are not that bad or that much different from what some of you guys have right now.

In all honesty they should have renamed the specialist suits to be something like Recon, Attack, Engineer to not confuse you guys.

It's a really great system and opens up the path for other specialist suits to be added. It's very similar to Tech 1 and Tech 2 ships in EVE.

Thanks IWS, I agree that the Specialized suits need to be renamed.

Also, what are your thoughts on Circuitry and Engineering being 5x multiplier skills?

I am currently mapping out the current tree right now in the similar format to the new one to see which multipliers got shifted, it seems all weapons are now 2x instead of one being 1x 2x then 3x. There is alot of information to pour though, the blog data didn't give us any of the slots for the suits though :( and you may not get an answer for that until later today, IRL stuff getting in the way too.

Amarr Medium
Amarr Heavy
Gallente Light
Gallente Medium
Minmatar Light
Minmatar Medium
Caldari Medium

Are all 6x skills

2 million skill points nets you your first protosuits.

That's 400k less than current.

The generic suits are not that bad or that much different from what some of you guys have right now.

In all honesty they should have renamed the specialist suits to be something like Recon, Attack, Engineer to not confuse you guys. As for the rest of the tree I cannot apologize yet because I haven't done the before and after yet, soon as I get the skills all lined up Ill be able to comment on the changes just right now the blog just came out and its not in spreadsheet format.

Amarr Heavy AK. 0

Cost 85160
CPU 270 gF
Melee Damage 150.0 HP
Speed 3.6 m/s
Shield HP 405 HP
Armor HP 405 HP
Scan Precision 60 dB
Stamina Recovery 7.0 s
Shield Regen 20.0 HP/s,
Depleted Shield Recharge time 10.0 s
Scan Profile 65 dB
Stamina 125
Power Grid 54 kW
Meta Level 7
Stamina Recovery 15.0 /s
Scan Radius 2.0 m
Sprint Duration 12.5 s
Sprint Speed 5.1 m/s
(was not included in the blog's documentation but from what me and the other cpm recall it had more low slots than current heavies)

Minmatar Medium MK 0
Cost 62960
CPU 320 gF
Melee Damage 110.0 HP
Speed 5.3 m/s
Shield HP 150 HP
Armor HP 135HP
Armor Repair rate 1 HP/s
Scan Precision 55 dB
Stamina Recovery 6.0 s
Shield Regen 18.0 HP/s,
Depleted Shield Recharge time 10.0 s
Scan Profile 50 dB
Stamina 175
Power Grid 64 kW
Meta Level 7
Stamina Recovery 15.0 /s
Scan Radius 2.0 m
Sprint Duration 17.5 s
Sprint Speed 7.4 m/s

There all stats are up source http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/64540/1/dust_market_items.csv from http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/05/uprising-skill-point-re-spec-details

Minmatar Medium mk. 0

Cost 62960
CPU 320 gF
Melee Damage 110.0 HP
Speed 5.3 m/s
Shield HP 150 HP
Armor HP 135HP
Armor Repair rate 1 HP/s
Scan Precision 55 dB
Stamina Recovery 6.0 s
Shield Regen 18.0 HP/s,
Depleted Shield Recharge time 10.0 s
Scan Profile 50 dB
Stamina 175
Power Grid 64 kW
Meta Level 7
Stamina Recovery 15.0 /s
Scan Radius 2.0 m
Sprint Duration 17.5 s
Sprint Speed 7.4 m/s

On another note. For the t2 logi suits it says Armor repair is incresed. Where does that bonus apply? Self repair, nano-hives? ect ect?

This doesnt make sense to me considering Mimatar are sheild tankers...

Self Repair, if remote is not mentioned assumed self or the specific item named in the bonus.

Yes thank you I have been dying for confirmation on this, Do you know if you need a armour rep on to activate it or if even if you have no armour rep modules on you will get self rep?

Self Repair, if remote is not mentioned assumed self or the specific item named in the bonus.

Chances are its the bonus to the module's own performance so

no module = no multiplier, as it will be 5% x 0

Except it doesn't say %. It just says +5.

Now why is it that the Amarr Logi is the worst Logi? hmm... could it be the slow movement speed? CPU/PG not fully used?

Anyways got the old tree down and I am catagorically arranging it by multipliers and groups.

You told me that none of these suits have more than 1 equipment slot, so yes, these are in fact different from the suits we have right now. We currently have a logi, we will not have a basic logi. That's something different and in the eyes of logis, pretty bad.

You told me that none of these suits have more than 1 equipment slot, so yes, these are in fact different from the suits we have right now. We currently have a logi, we will not have a basic logi. That's something different and in the eyes of logis, pretty bad.

Now why is it that the Amarr Logi is the worst Logi? hmm... could it be the slow movement speed? CPU/PG not fully used?

Thanks for the direct answer... that is freaking amazing.

You do still need a Armor Repair module though, right?

It seems to me that CCP is trying to extremely slow progrssion in Dust for some reason. I guess its not a bhig deal since it is happening to all of us but it does suck.

i think there's some sort of confusion here. it will be more understandable when you see how far you need to skill the prereqs to get the lower level logi.

Interesting...

But are the "basic" suits exactly like our current suits? I'm fine with suits costing more, because of the bonuses, but I see no point to the basic suits.

And you guys have proof that the "Basic" medium Minmatar suit is identical to the Logi suit we have? If Iron Wolf said it then I'd believe him, but anything from you two is just as much speculation as anything that I say.

Basic Mediums dont have 2 equipment slots, nor does any Assault suit have two equipment slots.

Logis I fear may be too good for generic combat though.

Have a thing, and don't say I don't give you anything.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsfGvAN0mVRudFlQTkZpMC1hc3k5Qk9Yb3RYcDdQQWc&usp=sharing

Have a thing, and don't say I don't give you anything.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsfGvAN0mVRudFlQTkZpMC1hc3k5Qk9Yb3RYcDdQQWc&usp=sharing

We are so confuse. We love to wallow in the confuse. Soon we'll turn to confuse bacon?

Because im a vehicle pilot and im waiting for the pilot suit

Have a thing, and don't say I don't give you anything.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsfGvAN0mVRudFlQTkZpMC1hc3k5Qk9Yb3RYcDdQQWc&usp=sharing

Alright, so a couple of us were having a discussion about this earlier this morning and I just want to make sure I have it right. According to the items list and from what I gathered from this thread, the frame protos (T1) have the same stats as specialized protos (T2) (minus logis) and with a slight price difference. So the Amarr Medium Frame ak.0 is the same as the Assault ak.0 statistically, but the latter just has the added passive bonuses?

This is great, but, no 'sever' suits?

Slightly different slot layouts overall between all suit classes.

**** I want to see those slot layouts

They aren't new suits. They are gimped versions of what we have now.

By that logic a Suyra is a gimped version of a Sagaris.