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Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:11:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:Now why is it that the Amarr Logi is the worst Logi? hmm... could it be the slow movement speed? CPU/PG not fully used?
I wouldn't know this thread is focusing on the base suits. Not logi not assaults not sentinels not scouts. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:12:00 -
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Anyways got the old tree down and I am catagorically arranging it by multipliers and groups. |
Ryanki
VENGEANCE FOR HIRE
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:13:00 -
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for the tier 2 suits or whatever they're called, u would need to max the base suits?
So are they kind of like extensions, like adding more stages after the proto we have now? |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
47
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:15:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Anyways got the old tree down and I am catagorically arranging it by multipliers and groups.
i looked over the information you posted, and didn't see any indication as to how far you'd need to skill a 'node' to get to the next one.
is that information hidden in those text files? |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
137
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:18:00 -
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You told me that none of these suits have more than 1 equipment slot, so yes, these are in fact different from the suits we have right now. We currently have a logi, we will not have a basic logi. That's something different and in the eyes of logis, pretty bad. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:21:00 -
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NeoWraith Acedia wrote:You told me that none of these suits have more than 1 equipment slot, so yes, these are in fact different from the suits we have right now. We currently have a logi, we will not have a basic logi. That's something different and in the eyes of logis, pretty bad.
i think there's some sort of confusion here. it will be more understandable when you see how far you need to skill the prereqs to get the lower level logi. |
Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
825
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:38:00 -
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NeoWraith Acedia wrote:You told me that none of these suits have more than 1 equipment slot, so yes, these are in fact different from the suits we have right now. We currently have a logi, we will not have a basic logi. That's something different and in the eyes of logis, pretty bad.
I'm not sure that's accurate.
My understanding was that ONLY Logi suits would have more than one equipment slot. |
Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:39:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:Now why is it that the Amarr Logi is the worst Logi? hmm... could it be the slow movement speed? CPU/PG not fully used?
Because Amarr don't know anything about real work, just slaving and killing and praying?
Nah... That couldn't be it.  |
Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
826
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:40:00 -
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XXfootnoteXX wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:XXfootnoteXX wrote:On another note. For the t2 logi suits it says Armor repair is incresed. Where does that bonus apply? Self repair, nano-hives? ect ect? Self Repair, if remote is not mentioned assumed self or the specific item named in the bonus. Thanks for the direct answer... that is freaking amazing.
You do still need a Armor Repair module though, right? |
Zahle Undt
The Tritan Industries
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:40:00 -
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Granted I have not seen what sort of bonuses come from the new skills but just looking at the excel skill tree CCP put out and the spread sheet someone in our corp made from it what I see all over the new Uprising skills is SP sinks all over the place. These SP sinks are especially screwing logi too in my opinion.
Currently for increasing PG and CPU we have Circutry and combat engineering both 1x skills that get maxed out with a total of 310,920 SP investment. Now they are 5x skill requiring a max SP input of bit over 1.5 million SP, but thats not bad enough. Before one can even increase those skills one has to spend 310K on Dropsuit upgrades and another 620K on "core upgrades".
It seems to me that CCP is trying to extremely slow progrssion in Dust for some reason. I guess its not a bhig deal since it is happening to all of us but it does suck. |
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:49:00 -
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Vaerana Myshtana wrote:XXfootnoteXX wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:XXfootnoteXX wrote:On another note. For the t2 logi suits it says Armor repair is incresed. Where does that bonus apply? Self repair, nano-hives? ect ect? Self Repair, if remote is not mentioned assumed self or the specific item named in the bonus. Thanks for the direct answer... that is freaking amazing. You do still need a Armor Repair module though, right?
Correct you can't add a repair rate to a module that isn't there. Now if it said +1 to suit armor repair then the suit is getting a natural repairer.
Update on the before and after Tree stats
Just finished the entire suit section here goes
Chomosome
Total number of protolevel 4
Total number of multiplier 32
Average multiplier per proto 8
Uprising
Total number of protolevels 18
Total number of multiplier 152
Average multiplier per proto 8.444
Ill get more posted as I go down the tree. |
Epicsting pro
Planetary Response Organization
11
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Posted - 2013.05.04 19:59:00 -
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The logi suit don't need base repair it +1per lvl, the amarr logi get a 5% bonus per lvl that bonus effect the repair module I ask ccp in the reddit post, so proto logi have hp/s base armor repair, and the amarr logi give a 15% bonuse to the module making the mlt heal 2.3hp/s, but if you spec repair then it another 15% witch make the 5hp/s into 6.5hp/s. Dose that help answer the logi bonusesquestion. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.05.04 20:06:00 -
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Biotics Catagory This was an odd one but it was misshapen and I had to pull a few from chomo into uprising's format.
Chomosome had
Vigor
Mobility
Endurance
Hand to Hand Combat
Total Multiplier 11
Uprising replaced with
Biotics
Cardiac regulation
Hand to Hand
Kinetic Catalyzation
Total 11 |
XXfootnoteXX
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.05.04 20:15:00 -
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nm. |
Kiso Okami
Militaires Sans Jeux
71
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Posted - 2013.05.04 20:22:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:It seems to me that CCP is trying to extremely slow progrssion in Dust for some reason. I guess its not a bhig deal since it is happening to all of us but it does suck.
This game's progression is being built like most MMOs build progression. So they seem to not expect you to reach "Tech II" prototypes (those suits are too "meh" to be considered Tech II) too soon (like two months to build a suit).
@Iron Wolf Saber: You should update the OP with all of these posts that you are making to prevent information being lost. |
Zahle Undt
The Tritan Industries
RISE of LEGION
70
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Posted - 2013.05.04 20:32:00 -
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First off, appreciate you siftign through this IWS. But outside of the dropsuits do we know for sure that weaponry no longer provides anything other than the ability to unlock weapon levels and do we know if drop suit upgrade, drop suit core upgrades, and such skills do anything? If they don't then how can we say they are anything but an SP sink.
However, its nothing to jump off a ledge over because it is happening to everyone and any such changes if later to be found detrimental can easily be compensated for by an adjustment of SP reward and SP cap. Well I think I just talked my way into being pretty neutral about changes, have a good one ladies and gents.  |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
138
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Posted - 2013.05.04 20:47:00 -
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low genius wrote:NeoWraith Acedia wrote:You told me that none of these suits have more than 1 equipment slot, so yes, these are in fact different from the suits we have right now. We currently have a logi, we will not have a basic logi. That's something different and in the eyes of logis, pretty bad. i think there's some sort of confusion here. it will be more understandable when you see how far you need to skill the prereqs to get the lower level logi.
I sure hope it's only like level 3 or something. |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
138
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Posted - 2013.05.04 20:57:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Under all current technicalities, you guys are all currently wearing Light, Medium and Heavy Suits, nobody here is wearing scout, logistics, commando, sentinel, assault, pilot suits yet. They're like the muraders of HAVs.
Yeah, the stats and slot layout say otherwise  Or are you saying basic suits have the exact stats as our current suits? The advanced suits have anywhere from two (not one or not zero like current) 10-15% bonuses to a function that there is no current suit here can ever possibly match with current suits or even modules, If your current suits went against these new ones when they're optimally fitted, you will get ROLF stomped. Interesting... But are the "basic" suits exactly like our current suits? I'm fine with suits costing more, because of the bonuses, but I see no point to the basic suits.
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NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
138
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Posted - 2013.05.04 21:00:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Cosgar wrote:Khamelaya wrote:How do you know there are't?I'm saying the suits we have now are under the basic tab in uprising, they have been renamed to Medium, and they are equivalent to what we have now. That makes two people that understand how things are going to work. But everyone is so busy wild mass guessing with a chip on their shoulder, you can't get through to anyone. And you guys have proof that the "Basic" medium Minmatar suit is identical to the Logi suit we have? If Iron Wolf said it then I'd believe him, but anything from you two is just as much speculation as anything that I say.
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Basic Mediums dont have 2 equipment slots, nor does any Assault suit have two equipment slots.
Logis I fear may be too good for generic combat though.
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xaerael Kabiel
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.05.04 21:17:00 -
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Have a thing, and don't say I don't give you anything.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsfGvAN0mVRudFlQTkZpMC1hc3k5Qk9Yb3RYcDdQQWc&usp=sharing |
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Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.04 21:26:00 -
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Anyways Ill make a sparate topic when I get the entire tree done just cooking dinner atm.
Chomosome Mechancis
Infantry
Field Mechanics*
Armor Upgrades*
Armor Repair systems*
Armor Remote Repair systems*
Vehicles
Field mecahnics*
Armor Adapation
Remote Repair*
Armor Upgrades*
Armor Repair systems*
Total Infantry 8
Total Vehicles 13
Uprising
Dropsuit Armor Upgrades
Armor Plating
Remote Repair
Armor Repair Systems
Vehicle Armor Upgrades
Armor Armor Adapation
Vehicle Remote Repair Systems
Vehicle Armor Plating
Vehicle Armor Repair
Infantry Total 11
Vehicle Total 16
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Kaleid Quandda
Red Rock Outriders
Red Rock Consortium
10
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Posted - 2013.05.04 21:28:00 -
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This is great, but, no 'sever' suits? |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.04 21:30:00 -
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thank you for the compacted list. |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD
Unclaimed.
542
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Posted - 2013.05.04 21:31:00 -
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Aighun wrote:We are so confuse. We love to wallow in the confuse. Soon we'll turn to confuse bacon?
leave bacon out of this!
on a serious note, we see "so and so got a nerf"
but no actual numbers, and pass PAINFUL experience means we flip out
we see SP multipliers go up without proper info and think we will be stuck at BEST in semi-advanced gear.
CCP needs to understand, give us ALL the information or we will leap to conclusions based on past experience
(and thanks for FINNALLY posting ironwolf, was getting worried there) |
Sete Clifton
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
105
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Posted - 2013.05.04 21:37:00 -
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Alright, so a couple of us were having a discussion about this earlier this morning and I just want to make sure I have it right. According to the items list and from what I gathered from this thread, the frame protos (T1) have the same stats as specialized protos (T2) (minus logis) and with a slight price difference. So the Amarr Medium Frame ak.0 is the same as the Assault ak.0 statistically, but the latter just has the added passive bonuses? |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
287
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Posted - 2013.05.04 21:39:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Because im a vehicle pilot and im waiting for the pilot suit
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MacGoogles iS-me-name
ThatsHott
6
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Posted - 2013.05.04 21:43:00 -
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+1 |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
3849
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Posted - 2013.05.04 22:16:00 -
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Sete Clifton wrote:Alright, so a couple of us were having a discussion about this earlier this morning and I just want to make sure I have it right. According to the items list and from what I gathered from this thread, the frame protos (T1) have the same stats as specialized protos (T2) (minus logis) and with a slight price difference. So the Amarr Medium Frame ak.0 is the same as the Assault ak.0 statistically, but the latter just has the added passive bonuses?
Slightly different slot layouts overall between all suit classes. |
Rynoceros
One-Armed Bandits
Atrocitas
41
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Posted - 2013.05.05 01:24:00 -
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Fact: IWS is worthy. |
xaerael Kabiel
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.05.05 09:36:00 -
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Kaleid Quandda wrote:This is great, but, no 'sever' suits?
Hmm, I may have screwed up copying them over. They're just copies of lvl 1 suits anyway. |
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