DUST Search - Electronics and Engineering cost in Uprising

NeoWraith Acedia wrote:

IRuby Heart wrote:

2100 Angels wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

2100 Angels wrote:

Was this really worthy of a thread? It's not the end of the world Ugh

Surely you didn't think 'complete skill rework' meant everything would stay the same....... IMO this is better for balance, and longevity of the game.

5x.
5x for two core skills.
That's just ridiculous.
That's the stuff they put on proficiencies that increase damage and stuff.
Maxing out CPU/PG will be like getting the assault proto suit.

Now just imagine how hard it will be to fit everything you want on to a suit, and how it will increase the time it takes to fully specialise in a role. Like I said, balance and longevity.

We can't even fit everything we want on a protosuit as is, even with these skills maxed out. This was a dumb decision. 2x is the highest they should've gone with these skills.

Grinding Core skills makes no sense whatsoever. Straight

Not to mention that all the skills that reduce weapon fitting costs got moved to the last tier and are now 6X Roll

2x = 6x , makes sense. Those better offer a 10% CPU reduction at that kind of price.

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Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 809	Posted - 2013.05.04 15:15:00 - [1] - Quote Dev blog has a spreadsheet with the full skill tree. If you look at it, Electronics and Engineering (infantry) are now x5. x5! Dafuq CCP, that's a core skill! Its like x1 now! Give us new stuff to put skill points into, not just a SP sink. Also, vehicle drivers be happy, Vehicle Electronics and Engineering x2, how that works I have no idea.
xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries 133	Posted - 2013.05.04 15:22:00 - [2] - Quote Its all about the sink. The sp sink is so you by boosters and perhaps augmentations if they help reduce the grind. Haven't bought them and still won't. The sink is want annoys me more than anything. Most prob true of most players.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 118	Posted - 2013.05.04 15:27:00 - [3] - Quote CCP, do you know what "Fake Longevity" is?
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 809	Posted - 2013.05.04 15:37:00 - [4] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: CCP, do you know what "Fake Longevity" is? money
2100 Angels The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 69	Posted - 2013.05.04 15:39:00 - [5] - Quote Was this really worthy of a thread? It's not the end of the world Surely you didn't think 'complete skill rework' meant everything would stay the same....... IMO this is better for balance, and longevity of the game.
Cyrius Li-Moody The Vanguardians Orion Empire 24	Posted - 2013.05.04 15:41:00 - [6] - Quote Wait wait, you're telling me I'm going to have to play this game for longer than a week to max out my character? I'm out of here.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 122	Posted - 2013.05.04 15:42:00 - [7] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Wait wait, you're telling me I'm going to have to play this game for longer than a week to max out my character? I'm out of here. Ahhh, strawman at it's finest, I suppose you'd be okay with 100X skills right?
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 809	Posted - 2013.05.04 15:44:00 - [8] - Quote 2100 Angels wrote: Was this really worthy of a thread? It's not the end of the world Surely you didn't think 'complete skill rework' meant everything would stay the same....... IMO this is better for balance, and longevity of the game. 5x. 5x for two core skills. That's just ridiculous. That's the stuff they put on proficiencies that increase damage and stuff. Maxing out CPU/PG will be like getting the assault proto suit.
xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries 134	Posted - 2013.05.04 15:45:00 - [9] - Quote No one is saying longer than a week. Longevity of a game is achieved by gameplay. Creating a bigger sp sink for core skills is just about extending the grind. it isnt about increasing your characters specialisation.I have been here since last April, so I am well aware about how time invested and unlocks work. thanks for your concern worrying about people may be off though.
Cyrius Li-Moody The Vanguardians Orion Empire 24	Posted - 2013.05.04 15:47:00 - [10] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Wait wait, you're telling me I'm going to have to play this game for longer than a week to max out my character? I'm out of here. Qhhh, strawman at it's finest, I suppose you'd be okay with 100X skills right? Hyperbole at it's finest. I personally have patience and persistence, but kitten me right? Kitten me straight to hell.

Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 809	Posted - 2013.05.04 15:48:00 - [11] - Quote CCP motto: Bump the grind to 11
xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries 134	Posted - 2013.05.04 15:49:00 - [12] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: CCP motto: Bump the grind to 11 Lol
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 809	Posted - 2013.05.04 15:49:00 - [13] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Wait wait, you're telling me I'm going to have to play this game for longer than a week to max out my character? I'm out of here. Qhhh, strawman at it's finest, I suppose you'd be okay with 100X skills right? Hyperbole at it's finest. I personally have patience and persistence, but kitten me right? Kitten me straight to hell. There is a fine line of time investment vs skilling up that CCP needs to get right. That's too far into the time investment side. Grind to 11.
2100 Angels The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 69	Posted - 2013.05.04 15:50:00 - [14] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: 2100 Angels wrote: Was this really worthy of a thread? It's not the end of the world Surely you didn't think 'complete skill rework' meant everything would stay the same....... IMO this is better for balance, and longevity of the game. 5x. 5x for two core skills. That's just ridiculous. That's the stuff they put on proficiencies that increase damage and stuff. Maxing out CPU/PG will be like getting the assault proto suit. Now just imagine how hard it will be to fit everything you want on to a suit, and how it will increase the time it takes to fully specialise in a role. Like I said, balance and longevity.
IRuby Heart DIOS EX. 626	Posted - 2013.05.04 15:53:00 - [15] - Quote 2100 Angels wrote: Cat Merc wrote: 2100 Angels wrote: Was this really worthy of a thread? It's not the end of the world Surely you didn't think 'complete skill rework' meant everything would stay the same....... IMO this is better for balance, and longevity of the game. 5x. 5x for two core skills. That's just ridiculous. That's the stuff they put on proficiencies that increase damage and stuff. Maxing out CPU/PG will be like getting the assault proto suit. Now just imagine how hard it will be to fit everything you want on to a suit, and how it will increase the time it takes to fully specialise in a role. Like I said, balance and longevity. We can't even fit everything we want on a protosuit as is, even with these skills maxed out. This was a dumb decision. 2x is the highest they should've gone with these skills. Grinding Core skills makes no sense whatsoever.
Nguruthos IX Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 271	Posted - 2013.05.04 15:55:00 - [16] - Quote Perhaps they were thinking many times more players would be specing into dropsuits. Even those who do vehicles and so they figgured that was a good place to slow progression
Marston VC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 182	Posted - 2013.05.04 15:55:00 - [17] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Dev blog has a spreadsheet with the full skill tree. If you look at it, Electronics and Engineering (infantry) are now x5. x5! Dafuq CCP, that's a core skill! Its like x1 now! Give us new stuff to put skill points into, not just a SP sink. -_- Also, vehicle drivers be happy, Vehicle Electronics and Engineering are x2, how that works I have no idea. I know! vehicles are still x8 skills..... dropsuits got upped to x10. Im forced to spec into assault when I wanted assault/logi :/ its unfortunate for sure. The only way I could possibly run Two protos now is if I decide to stay with one race, which im not sure how its going to work.
Cyrius Li-Moody The Vanguardians Orion Empire 28	Posted - 2013.05.04 16:00:00 - [18] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Wait wait, you're telling me I'm going to have to play this game for longer than a week to max out my character? I'm out of here. Qhhh, strawman at it's finest, I suppose you'd be okay with 100X skills right? Hyperbole at it's finest. I personally have patience and persistence, but kitten me right? Kitten me straight to hell. There is a fine line of time investment vs skilling up that CCP needs to get right. That's too far into the time investment side. Grind to 11. Wait wait wait, you're telling me I have to invest TIME INTO THIS GAME?
Xender17 Oblivion S.G.X 48	Posted - 2013.05.04 16:11:00 - [19] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Dev blog has a spreadsheet with the full skill tree. If you look at it, Electronics and Engineering (infantry) are now x5. x5! Dafuq CCP, that's a core skill! Its like x1 now! Give us new stuff to put skill points into, not just a SP sink. -_- Also, vehicle drivers be happy, Vehicle Electronics and Engineering are x2, how that works I have no idea. Tears of joy and fireworks of war
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 124	Posted - 2013.05.04 16:23:00 - [20] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Wait wait, you're telling me I'm going to have to play this game for longer than a week to max out my character? I'm out of here. Qhhh, strawman at it's finest, I suppose you'd be okay with 100X skills right? Hyperbole at it's finest. I personally have patience and persistence, but kitten me right? Kitten me straight to hell. I just strawmaned your strawman, so you could have some strawman in your starwman. And no, I don't want to kitten you, that's just gross

Cyrius Li-Moody The Vanguardians Orion Empire 28	Posted - 2013.05.04 16:27:00 - [21] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Wait wait, you're telling me I'm going to have to play this game for longer than a week to max out my character? I'm out of here. Qhhh, strawman at it's finest, I suppose you'd be okay with 100X skills right? Hyperbole at it's finest. I personally have patience and persistence, but kitten me right? Kitten me straight to hell. I just strawmaned your strawman, so you could have some strawman in your starwman. And no, I don't want to kitten you, that's just gross Fine I'll take my straw where it's wanted!
ZDub 303 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 18	Posted - 2013.05.04 16:30:00 - [22] - Quote Does anyone know what 'Dropsuit Engineering' even is?
Veiny Throbbing Joystick Intara Direct Action Caldari State 55	Posted - 2013.05.04 16:32:00 - [23] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Does anyone know what 'Dropsuit Engineering' even is? Isn't that like sci-fi sewing?
Justin Tymes Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 62	Posted - 2013.05.04 16:37:00 - [24] - Quote Vets will be annoyed, players like me with 5.8k will be pissed, and new players probably won't even bother picking up the game, because of the SP sink. I can't even focus on Core skills anymore; by the time I max those I won't have any SP for anything more than standard gear, and you cant even run up the stairs without dying in standard.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 126	Posted - 2013.05.04 16:38:00 - [25] - Quote IRuby Heart wrote: 2100 Angels wrote: Cat Merc wrote: 2100 Angels wrote: Was this really worthy of a thread? It's not the end of the world Surely you didn't think 'complete skill rework' meant everything would stay the same....... IMO this is better for balance, and longevity of the game. 5x. 5x for two core skills. That's just ridiculous. That's the stuff they put on proficiencies that increase damage and stuff. Maxing out CPU/PG will be like getting the assault proto suit. Now just imagine how hard it will be to fit everything you want on to a suit, and how it will increase the time it takes to fully specialise in a role. Like I said, balance and longevity. We can't even fit everything we want on a protosuit as is, even with these skills maxed out. This was a dumb decision. 2x is the highest they should've gone with these skills. Grinding Core skills makes no sense whatsoever. Not to mention that all the skills that reduce weapon fitting costs got moved to the last tier and are now 6X 2x = 6x , makes sense.
NIIKIA Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.05.04 16:44:00 - [26] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: IRuby Heart wrote: 2100 Angels wrote: Cat Merc wrote: 2100 Angels wrote: Was this really worthy of a thread? It's not the end of the world Surely you didn't think 'complete skill rework' meant everything would stay the same....... IMO this is better for balance, and longevity of the game. 5x. 5x for two core skills. That's just ridiculous. That's the stuff they put on proficiencies that increase damage and stuff. Maxing out CPU/PG will be like getting the assault proto suit. Now just imagine how hard it will be to fit everything you want on to a suit, and how it will increase the time it takes to fully specialise in a role. Like I said, balance and longevity. We can't even fit everything we want on a protosuit as is, even with these skills maxed out. This was a dumb decision. 2x is the highest they should've gone with these skills. Grinding Core skills makes no sense whatsoever. Not to mention that all the skills that reduce weapon fitting costs got moved to the last tier and are now 6X 2x = 6x , makes sense. Those better offer a 10% CPU reduction at that kind of price. Guys I'm sorry over 3mil for core skills is too much who is going to spend 777,000 sp to get 5% CPU or pg that's like 15-20 CPU and like 5 pg come on now it would take over a month to get them both to 5 or much longer
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 811	Posted - 2013.05.04 16:48:00 - [27] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Wait wait, you're telling me I'm going to have to play this game for longer than a week to max out my character? I'm out of here. Qhhh, strawman at it's finest, I suppose you'd be okay with 100X skills right? Hyperbole at it's finest. I personally have patience and persistence, but kitten me right? Kitten me straight to hell. There is a fine line of time investment vs skilling up that CCP needs to get right. That's too far into the time investment side. Grind to 11. Wait wait wait, you're telling me I have to invest TIME INTO THIS GAME? ... Get your reading comprehension up from level 0. Oh wait, the skill requirements are too high, never mind. I was saying that there is a ratio of time investment vs skilling up that is both fair and doesn't make you feel like you're on a crawl. If CCP doesn't get it right, it will be one of the biggest problems in the game.
xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries 134	Posted - 2013.05.04 16:49:00 - [28] - Quote NIIKIA wrote: Guys I'm sorry over 3mil for core skills is too much who is going to spend 777,000 sp to get 5% CPU or pg that's like 15-20 CPU and like 5 pg come on now it would take over a month to get them both to 5 or much longer yep.
Avinash Decker BetaMax. CRONOS. 35	Posted - 2013.05.04 17:48:00 - [29] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: Vets will be annoyed, players like me with 5.8k will be pissed, and new players probably won't even bother picking up the game, because of the SP sink. I can't even focus on Core skills anymore; by the time I max those I won't have any SP for anything more than standard gear, and you cant even run up the stairs without dying in standard. I agree if a new player can only get around 2,000 to 3,000 per game and see they need over 200,000 or even higher to get like a 3% increase to whatever they want. They aren't going to think its even worth it to grind all that out.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 34	Posted - 2013.05.04 17:50:00 - [30] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Dev blog has a spreadsheet with the full skill tree. If you look at it, Electronics and Engineering (infantry) are now x5. x5! Dafuq CCP, that's a core skill! Its like x1 now! Give us new stuff to put skill points into, not just a SP sink. -_- Also, vehicle drivers be happy, Vehicle Electronics and Engineering are x2, how that works I have no idea. play eve. this build is much more in line with the way fitting should work.

Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium 554	Posted - 2013.05.04 17:54:00 - [31] - Quote low genius wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Dev blog has a spreadsheet with the full skill tree. If you look at it, Electronics and Engineering (infantry) are now x5. x5! Dafuq CCP, that's a core skill! Its like x1 now! Give us new stuff to put skill points into, not just a SP sink. -_- Also, vehicle drivers be happy, Vehicle Electronics and Engineering are x2, how that works I have no idea. play eve. this build is much more in line with the way fitting should work. Core skills in EVE are either 1x or 2x. Electronics and Engineering are 1x. 5x is ridiculous.
Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2013.05.04 17:59:00 - [32] - Quote Does anyone have the CPU/PG requirements for weapons (in Uprising) as well as the level that these skills unlock other branches of the tree? Because being a scrub player who is only sitting around 5 mill SP there is no way I will be looking to max out certain skills I did before. Just get to the entry level to unlock the path I want and then comeback to fill out certain skills later. Also on suits is the specialized suit only better than the regular suit because of the bonuses? That would be alot of SP for just the bonus though if the bonus matches your playstyle it allows you to avoid skilling into certain skills if you dont want an overkill in an attribute.
Epicsting pro Planetary Response Organization 11	Posted - 2013.05.04 18:03:00 - [33] - Quote 100x skill challenge accepted, but I been here since last May these so called core skills aren't, they're side skill that u get after you're done with the corresponding skill exp. Armor upgrade first then field mechanic. It work better this way because the module give you a bigger boost. Sure 5%/lvl nice but the straight mod boost is better.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1361	Posted - 2013.05.04 18:06:00 - [34] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Can anything CCP say go without endless tears? lol... I like you troll other people's post saying they QQ, when they're discussing stuff, but with you it's not QQ... suuuure. How many threads you had locked today cuz of spam crying? So they increase SP for some stuff. See how easy it is to not complain when things don't affect you?
Vaerana Myshtana Bojo's School of the Trades 816	Posted - 2013.05.04 18:08:00 - [35] - Quote Thank the AFKids: They demanded to be allowed to keep their SP exploit. CCP nerfed SP so that casuals would still have a chance. Permaband would've been a better solution to the AFKids, but this is what we have.
Medic 1879 The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 210	Posted - 2013.05.04 18:18:00 - [36] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Dev blog has a spreadsheet with the full skill tree. If you look at it, Electronics and Engineering (infantry) are now x5. x5! Dafuq CCP, that's a core skill! Its like x1 now! Give us new stuff to put skill points into, not just a SP sink. -_- Also, vehicle drivers be happy, Vehicle Electronics and Engineering are x2, how that works I have no idea. Am I looking at a different devblog here when I click on the spreadsheet I get the weapon skills and thats all can someone link me a way to see it all.
Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2013.05.04 18:27:00 - [37] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Dev blog has a spreadsheet with the full skill tree. If you look at it, Electronics and Engineering (infantry) are now x5. x5! Dafuq CCP, that's a core skill! Its like x1 now! Give us new stuff to put skill points into, not just a SP sink. -_- Also, vehicle drivers be happy, Vehicle Electronics and Engineering are x2, how that works I have no idea. Am I looking at a different devblog here when I click on the spreadsheet I get the weapon skills and thats all can someone link me a way to see it all. There is one for suits and one for weapons - check other threads discussing, there are links to them
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1325	Posted - 2013.05.04 18:39:00 - [38] - Quote lol i saw on the spreadsheet that it is still a X1 skill in uprising.
NIIKIA Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2013.05.04 21:53:00 - [39] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: lol i saw on the spreadsheet that it is still a X1 skill in uprising. No
IRuby Heart DIOS EX. 655	Posted - 2013.05.04 21:57:00 - [40] - Quote I'll need to have 14+ Million SP to have the exact same loudout and skills I have now with 9.4 Million SP. This is killer.



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