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Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.04 15:15:00 -
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Dev blog has a spreadsheet with the full skill tree. If you look at it, Electronics and Engineering (infantry) are now x5. x5! Dafuq CCP, that's a core skill! Its like x1 now! Give us new stuff to put skill points into, not just a SP sink.
Also, vehicle drivers be happy, Vehicle Electronics and Engineering x2, how that works I have no idea. |
xAckie
Ahrendee Mercenaries
133
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Posted - 2013.05.04 15:22:00 -
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Its all about the sink. The sp sink is so you by boosters and perhaps augmentations if they help reduce the grind.
Haven't bought them and still won't. The sink is want annoys me more than anything. Most prob true of most players.
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NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
118
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Posted - 2013.05.04 15:27:00 -
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CCP, do you know what "Fake Longevity" is? |
Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
809
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Posted - 2013.05.04 15:37:00 -
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NeoWraith Acedia wrote:CCP, do you know what "Fake Longevity" is? money |
2100 Angels
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.04 15:39:00 -
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Was this really worthy of a thread? It's not the end of the world
Surely you didn't think 'complete skill rework' meant everything would stay the same....... IMO this is better for balance, and longevity of the game. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The Vanguardians Orion Empire
24
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Posted - 2013.05.04 15:41:00 -
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Wait wait, you're telling me I'm going to have to play this game for longer than a week to max out my character?
I'm out of here. |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
122
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Posted - 2013.05.04 15:42:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Wait wait, you're telling me I'm going to have to play this game for longer than a week to max out my character?
I'm out of here. Ahhh, strawman at it's finest, I suppose you'd be okay with 100X skills right? |
Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
809
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Posted - 2013.05.04 15:44:00 -
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2100 Angels wrote:Was this really worthy of a thread? It's not the end of the world Surely you didn't think 'complete skill rework' meant everything would stay the same....... IMO this is better for balance, and longevity of the game. 5x. 5x for two core skills. That's just ridiculous. That's the stuff they put on proficiencies that increase damage and stuff. Maxing out CPU/PG will be like getting the assault proto suit. |
xAckie
Ahrendee Mercenaries
134
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Posted - 2013.05.04 15:45:00 -
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No one is saying longer than a week.
Longevity of a game is achieved by gameplay. Creating a bigger sp sink for core skills is just about extending the grind. it isnt about increasing your characters specialisation.I have been here since last April, so I am well aware about how time invested and unlocks work. thanks for your concern worrying about people may be off though. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The Vanguardians Orion Empire
24
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Posted - 2013.05.04 15:47:00 -
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NeoWraith Acedia wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Wait wait, you're telling me I'm going to have to play this game for longer than a week to max out my character?
I'm out of here. Qhhh, strawman at it's finest, I suppose you'd be okay with 100X skills right?
Hyperbole at it's finest.
I personally have patience and persistence, but kitten me right? Kitten me straight to hell. |
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Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
809
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Posted - 2013.05.04 15:48:00 -
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CCP motto: Bump the grind to 11 |
xAckie
Ahrendee Mercenaries
134
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Posted - 2013.05.04 15:49:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:CCP motto: Bump the grind to 11
Lol |
Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
809
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Posted - 2013.05.04 15:49:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:NeoWraith Acedia wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Wait wait, you're telling me I'm going to have to play this game for longer than a week to max out my character?
I'm out of here. Qhhh, strawman at it's finest, I suppose you'd be okay with 100X skills right? Hyperbole at it's finest. I personally have patience and persistence, but kitten me right? Kitten me straight to hell. There is a fine line of time investment vs skilling up that CCP needs to get right. That's too far into the time investment side. Grind to 11. |
2100 Angels
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
69
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Posted - 2013.05.04 15:50:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:2100 Angels wrote:Was this really worthy of a thread? It's not the end of the world Surely you didn't think 'complete skill rework' meant everything would stay the same....... IMO this is better for balance, and longevity of the game. 5x. 5x for two core skills. That's just ridiculous. That's the stuff they put on proficiencies that increase damage and stuff. Maxing out CPU/PG will be like getting the assault proto suit.
Now just imagine how hard it will be to fit everything you want on to a suit, and how it will increase the time it takes to fully specialise in a role. Like I said, balance and longevity. |
IRuby Heart
DIOS EX.
626
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Posted - 2013.05.04 15:53:00 -
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2100 Angels wrote:Cat Merc wrote:2100 Angels wrote:Was this really worthy of a thread? It's not the end of the world Surely you didn't think 'complete skill rework' meant everything would stay the same....... IMO this is better for balance, and longevity of the game. 5x. 5x for two core skills. That's just ridiculous. That's the stuff they put on proficiencies that increase damage and stuff. Maxing out CPU/PG will be like getting the assault proto suit. Now just imagine how hard it will be to fit everything you want on to a suit, and how it will increase the time it takes to fully specialise in a role. Like I said, balance and longevity.
We can't even fit everything we want on a protosuit as is, even with these skills maxed out. This was a dumb decision. 2x is the highest they should've gone with these skills.
Grinding Core skills makes no sense whatsoever. |
Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
271
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Posted - 2013.05.04 15:55:00 -
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Perhaps they were thinking many times more players would be specing into dropsuits. Even those who do vehicles and so they figgured that was a good place to slow progression |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
182
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Posted - 2013.05.04 15:55:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Dev blog has a spreadsheet with the full skill tree. If you look at it, Electronics and Engineering (infantry) are now x5. x5! Dafuq CCP, that's a core skill! Its like x1 now! Give us new stuff to put skill points into, not just a SP sink. -_-
Also, vehicle drivers be happy, Vehicle Electronics and Engineering are x2, how that works I have no idea.
I know! vehicles are still x8 skills..... dropsuits got upped to x10. Im forced to spec into assault when I wanted assault/logi :/ its unfortunate for sure. The only way I could possibly run Two protos now is if I decide to stay with one race, which im not sure how its going to work. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The Vanguardians Orion Empire
28
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Posted - 2013.05.04 16:00:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:NeoWraith Acedia wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Wait wait, you're telling me I'm going to have to play this game for longer than a week to max out my character?
I'm out of here. Qhhh, strawman at it's finest, I suppose you'd be okay with 100X skills right? Hyperbole at it's finest. I personally have patience and persistence, but kitten me right? Kitten me straight to hell. There is a fine line of time investment vs skilling up that CCP needs to get right. That's too far into the time investment side. Grind to 11.
Wait wait wait, you're telling me I have to invest TIME INTO THIS GAME? |
Xender17
Oblivion S.G.X
48
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Posted - 2013.05.04 16:11:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Dev blog has a spreadsheet with the full skill tree. If you look at it, Electronics and Engineering (infantry) are now x5. x5! Dafuq CCP, that's a core skill! Its like x1 now! Give us new stuff to put skill points into, not just a SP sink. -_-
Also, vehicle drivers be happy, Vehicle Electronics and Engineering are x2, how that works I have no idea. *Tears of joy and fireworks of war* |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
124
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Posted - 2013.05.04 16:23:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:NeoWraith Acedia wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Wait wait, you're telling me I'm going to have to play this game for longer than a week to max out my character?
I'm out of here. Qhhh, strawman at it's finest, I suppose you'd be okay with 100X skills right? Hyperbole at it's finest. I personally have patience and persistence, but kitten me right? Kitten me straight to hell. I just strawmaned your strawman, so you could have some strawman in your starwman.
And no, I don't want to kitten you, that's just gross |
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The Vanguardians Orion Empire
28
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Posted - 2013.05.04 16:27:00 -
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NeoWraith Acedia wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:NeoWraith Acedia wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Wait wait, you're telling me I'm going to have to play this game for longer than a week to max out my character?
I'm out of here. Qhhh, strawman at it's finest, I suppose you'd be okay with 100X skills right? Hyperbole at it's finest. I personally have patience and persistence, but kitten me right? Kitten me straight to hell. I just strawmaned your strawman, so you could have some strawman in your starwman. And no, I don't want to kitten you, that's just gross
Fine I'll take my straw where it's wanted! |
ZDub 303
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
18
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Posted - 2013.05.04 16:30:00 -
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Does anyone know what 'Dropsuit Engineering' even is? |
Veiny Throbbing Joystick
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
55
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Posted - 2013.05.04 16:32:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Does anyone know what 'Dropsuit Engineering' even is? Isn't that like sci-fi sewing? |
Justin Tymes
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2013.05.04 16:37:00 -
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Vets will be annoyed, players like me with 5.8k will be pissed, and new players probably won't even bother picking up the game, because of the SP sink.
I can't even focus on Core skills anymore; by the time I max those I won't have any SP for anything more than standard gear, and you cant even run up the stairs without dying in standard. |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
126
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Posted - 2013.05.04 16:38:00 -
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IRuby Heart wrote:2100 Angels wrote:Cat Merc wrote:2100 Angels wrote:Was this really worthy of a thread? It's not the end of the world Surely you didn't think 'complete skill rework' meant everything would stay the same....... IMO this is better for balance, and longevity of the game. 5x. 5x for two core skills. That's just ridiculous. That's the stuff they put on proficiencies that increase damage and stuff. Maxing out CPU/PG will be like getting the assault proto suit. Now just imagine how hard it will be to fit everything you want on to a suit, and how it will increase the time it takes to fully specialise in a role. Like I said, balance and longevity. We can't even fit everything we want on a protosuit as is, even with these skills maxed out. This was a dumb decision. 2x is the highest they should've gone with these skills. Grinding Core skills makes no sense whatsoever. Not to mention that all the skills that reduce weapon fitting costs got moved to the last tier and are now 6X
2x = 6x , makes sense. |
NIIKIA
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.04 16:44:00 -
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NeoWraith Acedia wrote:IRuby Heart wrote:2100 Angels wrote:Cat Merc wrote:2100 Angels wrote:Was this really worthy of a thread? It's not the end of the world Surely you didn't think 'complete skill rework' meant everything would stay the same....... IMO this is better for balance, and longevity of the game. 5x. 5x for two core skills. That's just ridiculous. That's the stuff they put on proficiencies that increase damage and stuff. Maxing out CPU/PG will be like getting the assault proto suit. Now just imagine how hard it will be to fit everything you want on to a suit, and how it will increase the time it takes to fully specialise in a role. Like I said, balance and longevity. We can't even fit everything we want on a protosuit as is, even with these skills maxed out. This was a dumb decision. 2x is the highest they should've gone with these skills. Grinding Core skills makes no sense whatsoever. Not to mention that all the skills that reduce weapon fitting costs got moved to the last tier and are now 6X 2x = 6x , makes sense. Those better offer a 10% CPU reduction at that kind of price. Guys I'm sorry over 3mil for core skills is too much who is going to spend 777,000 sp to get 5% CPU or pg that's like 15-20 CPU and like 5 pg come on now it would take over a month to get them both to 5 or much longer
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Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
811
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Posted - 2013.05.04 16:48:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:NeoWraith Acedia wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Wait wait, you're telling me I'm going to have to play this game for longer than a week to max out my character?
I'm out of here. Qhhh, strawman at it's finest, I suppose you'd be okay with 100X skills right? Hyperbole at it's finest. I personally have patience and persistence, but kitten me right? Kitten me straight to hell. There is a fine line of time investment vs skilling up that CCP needs to get right. That's too far into the time investment side. Grind to 11. Wait wait wait, you're telling me I have to invest TIME INTO THIS GAME? ... Get your reading comprehension up from level 0. Oh wait, the skill requirements are too high, never mind.
I was saying that there is a ratio of time investment vs skilling up that is both fair and doesn't make you feel like you're on a crawl. If CCP doesn't get it right, it will be one of the biggest problems in the game. |
xAckie
Ahrendee Mercenaries
134
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Posted - 2013.05.04 16:49:00 -
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NIIKIA wrote:
Guys I'm sorry over 3mil for core skills is too much who is going to spend 777,000 sp to get 5% CPU or pg that's like 15-20 CPU and like 5 pg come on now it would take over a month to get them both to 5 or much longer
yep. |
Avinash Decker
BetaMax. CRONOS.
35
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Posted - 2013.05.04 17:48:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:Vets will be annoyed, players like me with 5.8k will be pissed, and new players probably won't even bother picking up the game, because of the SP sink.
I can't even focus on Core skills anymore; by the time I max those I won't have any SP for anything more than standard gear, and you cant even run up the stairs without dying in standard.
I agree if a new player can only get around 2,000 to 3,000 per game and see they need over 200,000 or even higher to get like a 3% increase to whatever they want. They aren't going to think its even worth it to grind all that out. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
34
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Posted - 2013.05.04 17:50:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Dev blog has a spreadsheet with the full skill tree. If you look at it, Electronics and Engineering (infantry) are now x5. x5! Dafuq CCP, that's a core skill! Its like x1 now! Give us new stuff to put skill points into, not just a SP sink. -_-
Also, vehicle drivers be happy, Vehicle Electronics and Engineering are x2, how that works I have no idea.
play eve. this build is much more in line with the way fitting should work. |
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