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Winsaucerer
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.05.04 14:32:00 -
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Probably a question whose answer is bleedingly obvious by now, but I want to be clear. Dev blog states:
Quote:As such, the items in your Assets will be removed, and their ISK/AUR value at the time of the respec will be put back into your in-game wallet
But "time of the respec" is ambiguous, since the respec occurs during Uprising deployment, and presumably prices of some items will change too. So does this mean prices just before deployment, or just after?
I am guessing the answer is obviously that it means the prices before deployment, because later in the blog it says "CURRENT ISK value" and "current AUR value", but I'd like to be clear :)
Bonus question. I posted this on dust514.info, but I'm curious to know your thoughts. Is CCP using this opportunity to fix up some price discrepancies that appear to exist at the moment? Specifically, I said:
"Winsaucerer" wrote:Consider, for example, the duvolle and killswitch assault rifles. The former costs rougly 53k ISK, while the latter is 50 AUR, and they have similar stats except that the killswitch has lower skill requirements. Now suppose we consider them similar enough to do a conversion. We thus have 1 AUR = 1k ISK. Now, for $20, you can obtain 40,000 AUR. Converted, that means $20 = 40 mil ISK. In EVE you can purchase a PLEX and sell it on market to gain a bit over 500 mil. That means that there is a discrepancy in values of a factor of 10.
Will we see some of these discrepancies resolved soon? |
Winsaucerer
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.04 14:37:00 -
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2100 Angels wrote:Why don't I have the option to download this file? It keeps trying to open as a web app in .csv format but won't display anything but jibberish (yes I have excel installed). Is this fixable? 
That's just the way the browser you are using is made. There's nothing wrong with the browser or the file format. It is not too difficult to convert it to excel, but you can download a converted version I've done here. If the "download" link doesn't work, click dismiss and go to file->download. That worked for me when I tested it. |
Winsaucerer
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.05 01:17:00 -
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Arron Rift wrote:
Will these still be attached to my account after Uprising, or will they be refunded for their current AUR cost so I can go buy them again?
It seems to me that this has been answered in the blog, and that you will receive the AUR price required to repurchase them should you wish to. |
Winsaucerer
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.05 01:20:00 -
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Eskel Bondfree wrote:
CCP Eterne, can you confirm that all instances of militia BPOs that a player owns will be refunded at current market prices? Because it would be very dissapointing if that was the case.
I asked a related question in this thread, and it has been answered. It is not *current* prices, as in the prices they are now, but the prices that they will be with Uprising:
CCP Eterne wrote:
It means the prices at the time of deployment. If we have changed any prices, those will be the prices used.
And with regards to,
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Making ISK from market opportunities that arise in Eve/Dust is all fine and good. But giving out AUR worth thousands of real life $$ to players just because they bought a stack of militia BPOs for the price of a single merc-pack in January definitely crosses a line.
I see no problem with this. This is well within the style of EVE. Of course, I'm one who is in line to benefit from this, but even if I was not I'd be thinking, "crap, why didn't I take advantage of this myself??" rather than, "crap, I didn't think of this myself, it's not fair!". |
Winsaucerer
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.05 01:25:00 -
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Rich o wrote:
Now I'm confused. I.e. the Balac's GAR-21 AR is an officer weapon and will be returned to our inventory. due to QA while the Dev Blog states that all ISK-items will be removed and the excel-sheet in the link clearly shows an ISK-value of 126.495 for the Balac.
So my question is: will officer weapons be purchaseable? Dev Blog and spread sheet say yes but QA says no.
This is not an official answer, and maybe CCP can confirm for you, but in EVE Online many items with no NPC market value have a hidden value like this. It's just an estimate of its market value, even if no NPC actually sells it. I would be very surprised if you lose any of your officer gear just because the spreadsheet lists an ISK value.
I would be even more surprised if these items appeared for sale by NPC's with Uprising. That just wouldn't fit with the way CCP has run EVE Online. |
Winsaucerer
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.05 01:35:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:
It means the prices at the time of deployment. If we have changed any prices, those will be the prices used.
With regards to the following, I cannot complain, since I purchased mine on the cheap. And this post is probably too quick since it is based on an assumption that BPO prices are going to be lowered in Uprising (that's my expectation). But here goes anyway. Some people have purchased, for example, blueprints for 19,800 AUR (or whatever it is), thinking along the lines "it's quite expensive, but I do use it a lot. I can afford maybe one bpo, so I'll make it the dropsuit".
Now suppose that the price is permanently lowered by half in Uprising, when not on sale. This person is refunded around 10k AUR. Now, post patch, this person finds that in CCP's pursuit of finding that sweet spot pricing, he's paid twice the real world money for the same item as others (or alternatively, they get two for the price of one). That is their reward for trusting the pricing structure, and supporting the game during beta. I don't imagine these people will be happy.
Of course, as I said, this is based on the assumption that prices go down. And again, I can't complain much, as I paid the cheap price. And I understand the reasoning. The customer agreed on a price with CCP, and received goods. CCP is now giving them a currency which allows them to get exactly that item back, or use the AUR for something different (added value!). And if any AUR prices go up, you can't reimburse them the pre-patch prices, because then they won't receive enough AUR to replace their goods. So post patch pricing makes the most sense from this perspective.
So I see the reasoning, and I can't complain, but I suspect some will be unhappy if I am right about a significant BPO price drop (and as a guess, I wouldn't be surprised if you divide BPO costs by 10!). It seems a bit rough for that crowd that purchased these expensive BPO's, and now finds that their reward for beta support is to have others given a cheaper price. But we shall see, after Monday, I suppose. |
Winsaucerer
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.05 06:09:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:
It means the prices at the time of deployment. If we have changed any prices, those will be the prices used.
Now I'm second guessing my interpretation of what you have written here, and it's still not clear to me. Let me give an example. Suppose there's an item that costs 500 AUR now, and it retains that price all the way until the server goes down for Uprising deployment. Then, Uprising comes up, and the item now has a price of 300 AUR. Will a player in possession of this item receive 500 AUR or 300 AUR? |
Winsaucerer
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.05 12:33:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:
Are you expecting prices to stay the same forever and ever?
It is natural that one year ago something costed more, now half of it. In a year it might be a quarter.
One could argue that the one who got it year ago has gotten to use it already for that time.
No, I am not expecting prices to stay the same forever and ever. Why do you ask? |
Winsaucerer
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.06 13:46:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:Hey guys, a brief update. We will not be refunding any Militia BPOs, but rather returning them to your inventory.
A number of you brought up the very real possibility that people would get millions of AUR refunded because at one point they were selling for much less and after further consideration, we realized this would give a hugely unfair advantage to these people.
We hope everyone understands this decision.
Yes, the post that follows may sound like qq'ing! But I must assure people that I am not.
I just have big concerns about the claim that "we realized this would give a hugely unfair advantage to these people". Dust 514 has been promised to not be pay to win. IF you say that millions of AUR gives "a hugely unfair advantage", then you are saying that Dust 514 is pay to win.
Some people in the world are wealthy enough to easily purchase millions of AUR. To get 1 mil AUR is $500, which is for no doubt a few lucky-in-life Dust 514/EVE players easy to give up. Are you saying that these people are given "a hugely unfair advantage"? More precisely, a "hugely unfair advantage" that you are not willing to give to poorer players who happened to take a (very minimal) risk on a potential to get some of this fortune themselves that they can't match with real world funds?
I honestly don't mind the decision in general. I, like others, took the risk. If it pays off, I will be happy and gloat. If it doesn't, I've lost little. But the justification given here has very worrying implications. |
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