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Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.05.03 20:14:00 -
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This is worrying since it's still one of the most game-breaking exploits around.
Sure, it may not be a huge deal for a couple weeks after the build hits and people are trying new stuff, but what about after that? It's not reasonable to expect people to wait another several months for CCP to do something. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
140
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Posted - 2013.05.03 20:15:00 -
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Parson Atreides wrote:This is worrying since it's still one of the most game-breaking exploits around.
Sure, it may not be a huge deal for a couple weeks after the build hits and people are trying new stuff, but what about after that? It's not reasonable to expect people to wait another several months for CCP to do something.
No, that (along with the retribution for exploitation) will be released in a surprise patch notes 5 minutes before the servers come back up after Monday dt. |
Bendtner92
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
520
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Posted - 2013.05.03 20:16:00 -
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The best AFK fix is to make a fun game.
We'll see if CCP has succeeded with that with Uprising. |
Ops Fox
ZionTCD
Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.05.03 20:16:00 -
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they make no mention of Laser rifle fix or tank fix or AR fix all the mention is a heavy nerf and you can see how well thats going over. |
ReGnUM Public Relations
Imperfects Public Relations
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Posted - 2013.05.03 20:16:00 -
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Parson Atreides wrote:This is worrying since it's still one of the most game-breaking exploits around.
Sure, it may not be a huge deal for a couple weeks after the build hits and people are trying new stuff, but what about after that? It's not reasonable to expect people to wait another several months for CCP to do something.
Making the game Fun is the only fix we need  |
Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries
253
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Posted - 2013.05.03 20:20:00 -
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Ops Fox wrote:they make no mention of Laser rifle fix or tank fix or AR fix all the mention is a heavy nerf and you can see how well thats going over.
None of those are game-breaking like this AFK nonsense is.
It was a little strange that they chose to single out the HMG despite the fact that they've basically already confirmed they're nerfing other weapons as well.
As for making a fun game, that's all well and good. The problem that arises when there is some reward for doing nothing is always that a percentage of the player-base is still going to do it just for said reward--either on their main character or alts. The only uncertainty is how many it will be. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
347
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Posted - 2013.05.03 20:21:00 -
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ReGnUM Public Relations wrote:Parson Atreides wrote:This is worrying since it's still one of the most game-breaking exploits around.
Sure, it may not be a huge deal for a couple weeks after the build hits and people are trying new stuff, but what about after that? It's not reasonable to expect people to wait another several months for CCP to do something. Making the game Fun is the only fix we need
Please leave if the game isn't fun for you. |
Don Von Hulio
Not Guilty
EoN.
211
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Posted - 2013.05.03 20:21:00 -
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Actually, the Viziam is pretty broke. |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
659
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Posted - 2013.05.03 20:22:00 -
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Right. Because nobody has ever gotten bored with a fun game before, and nobody around here ever gets painfully risk averse, refusing to engage in combat unless they have every advantage.
You can't just leave an exploit sitting around and hope that everyone is having too much fun to notice or take advantage of it. |
ReGnUM MiNdReaDeR DEI
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
40
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Posted - 2013.05.03 20:22:00 -
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ReGnUM Public Relations wrote:Parson Atreides wrote:This is worrying since it's still one of the most game-breaking exploits around.
Sure, it may not be a huge deal for a couple weeks after the build hits and people are trying new stuff, but what about after that? It's not reasonable to expect people to wait another several months for CCP to do something. Making the game Fun is the only fix we need
Getting your skills up is also a fix you guys need |
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Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries
253
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Posted - 2013.05.03 20:23:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:ReGnUM Public Relations wrote:Parson Atreides wrote:This is worrying since it's still one of the most game-breaking exploits around.
Sure, it may not be a huge deal for a couple weeks after the build hits and people are trying new stuff, but what about after that? It's not reasonable to expect people to wait another several months for CCP to do something. Making the game Fun is the only fix we need Please leave if the game isn't fun for you.
Yea, there's always that too. When everyone on both teams are of roughly equal skill, everyone is playing, and there are very few snipers, I enjoy the game a lot. |
Jin Robot
Polar Gooks
385
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Posted - 2013.05.03 20:29:00 -
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well, it seems they have decided to release an unfinished game minus the full set of suits with a game breaking exploit. I wish i had the confidence CCP has, because first impressions of this game, as is, might lead to ppl trying it once and not sticking around til its actually more complete. the f2p will make ppl try, but if its all kittened up, i wont matter. Its also free to bash your head against the wall, but its not fun so few actually do it. |
mollerz
s1ck3r Corp
168
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Posted - 2013.05.03 20:36:00 -
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This just means people will AFK the pub matches when the SP cap resets, and then move to PC when they hit cap. And just like now, the anti-afk topics will hit an all new crescendo of bitching until everyone caps out and moves over to PC at which time the topics will fade away. Until the next cap reset, that is.
rinse and repeat until it's finally adjusted to shut the bitching up.
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Cat Merc
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
795
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Posted - 2013.05.03 20:39:00 -
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There is no mention of some things.
CCP said they had a solution, wait for it. |
Cat Merc
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
795
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Posted - 2013.05.03 20:40:00 -
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Parson Atreides wrote:Ops Fox wrote:they make no mention of Laser rifle fix or tank fix or AR fix all the mention is a heavy nerf and you can see how well thats going over. None of those are game-breaking like this AFK nonsense is.
It was a little strange that they chose to single out the HMG despite the fact that they've basically already confirmed they're nerfing other weapons as well.As for making a fun game, that's all well and good. The problem that arises when there is some reward for doing nothing is always that a percentage of the player-base is still going to do it just for said reward--either on their main character or alts. The only uncertainty is how many it will be.
CCP is trolling.
They knew the Heavy tears would be endless. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
285
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Posted - 2013.05.03 20:42:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:well, it seems they have decided to release an unfinished game minus the full set of suits with a game breaking exploit. I wish i had the confidence CCP has, because first impressions of this game, as is, might lead to ppl trying it once and not sticking around til its actually more complete. the f2p will make ppl try, but if its all kittened up, i wont matter. Its also free to bash your head against the wall, but its not fun so few actually do it.
you must not had a battle of wall bangers!! I came in second place but it was a lot of fun. |
SickJ
French unchained corporation
Squale Operation Empire
59
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Posted - 2013.05.04 00:06:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:The best AFK fix is to make a fun game.
I don't think AFK farmers are playing for fun. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1202
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Posted - 2013.05.04 00:14:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:The best AFK fix is to make a fun game.
We'll see if CCP has succeeded with that with Uprising.
Ooooh someone call the nearest burn victim unit in Shanghai and Iceland! |
Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries
253
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Posted - 2013.05.04 00:21:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:There is no mention of some things.
CCP said they had a solution, wait for it.
The worrying part is how long we'll have to wait. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1202
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Posted - 2013.05.04 00:36:00 -
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Parson Atreides wrote:Cat Merc wrote:There is no mention of some things.
CCP said they had a solution, wait for it. The worrying part is how long we'll have to wait.
People waited over half a year for Uprising. Pretty sure if people stuck around that long they can stick around a while longer for an AFK fix. |
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Veiny Throbbing Joystick
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2013.05.04 00:40:00 -
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I'm sure the press will be all over this. |
Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries
254
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Posted - 2013.05.04 00:46:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Parson Atreides wrote:Cat Merc wrote:There is no mention of some things.
CCP said they had a solution, wait for it. The worrying part is how long we'll have to wait. People waited over half a year for Uprising. Pretty sure if people stuck around that long they can stick around a while longer for an AFK fix.
That's exactly why they can't wait a while longer...it's already been a while. If it isn't fixed by the time critics start reviewing the game, I can't imagine how bad the reviews are going to be when they talk about how CCP is allowing half of a team to simply not play the game and still get rewards.
Part of me almost wants to set up groups of AFKers on the 14th (assuming it isn't fixed by then) just to reduce the chances of a good review and hope CCP learns a hard lesson about fixing game-breaking problems promptly. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
169
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Posted - 2013.05.04 00:46:00 -
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I hope they don't fix afk. It is not a problem in a game that gives you the points no matter what. SP don't mean much and mercs who do not fight in battle either suck or are really good and either way the SP doesn't help them. QQ someone is cloaked in my system and I can't undock. These afk mercs are playing all you cry babies for fools. |
Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries
255
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Posted - 2013.05.04 00:57:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:I hope they don't fix afk. It is not a problem in a game that gives you the points no matter what. SP don't mean much and mercs who do not fight in battle either suck or are really good and either way the SP doesn't help them. QQ someone is cloaked in my system and I can't undock. These afk mercs are playing all you cry babies for fools.
You're missing the point entirely. It's not really that they're getting SP that bothers me, though that's the underlying cause as to why they're AFKing. The problem is that it completely ruins the game for the rest of the team that actually wants to play and the team they're playing against.
Have you ever tried pushing points when you have 6-9 people AFKing in your MCC? It's not fun at all. You either try and die a lot because you're constantly outnumbered by a wide margin, you sit back in the red line and snipe which is incredibly boring (especially if you aren't specced into sniping), or you join the AFKers, which compounds the problem for everyone else.
On the flip side, have you ever been in a game where the other team has 6-9 AFKers and they're all sitting in the red line sniping? It's incredibly dull and the game loses all enjoyment. |
KalOfTheRathi
Talon Strike Force LTD
Orion Empire
395
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Posted - 2013.05.04 01:02:00 -
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Parson Atreides wrote:This is worrying since it's still one of the most game-breaking exploits around.
Sure, it may not be a huge deal for a couple weeks after the build hits and people are trying new stuff, but what about after that? It's not reasonable to expect people to wait another several months for CCP to do something. First Excitable One why would they show their hand early?
Gamers game everything. Never let them know you are on to them and that you have an solution you are working on. Sitting in the MCC is detectable. It requires game code and should not be necessary. However the gamers are using it so what to do?
Well, if they show their cards they will be working on a different system right now. Let them at least have the advantage of surprise. Also while they have said they were investigating the issue they have never stated they have solved the issue.
For your own enjoyment, Leave Battle. Just go. Get into a different match. Email the AFK with promises of Director positions in Infamous. Whatever helps you have fun. In the Game.
Now spend five minutes thinking about AFK methods that do not involve the MCC. Guess what? You have worked around whatever CCP/Shanghai can come up with. This will be an ongoing battle. One that may never be won.
Play your own game. |
Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries
255
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Posted - 2013.05.04 01:17:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:First Excitable One why would they show their hand early?
It's not as if learning about it two days prior is going to make any difference. Best case scenario is it takes people two days longer into Uprising's launch to figure out ways to exploit whatever it is they come up with and we have to wait several months for another fix. If the solution is so easily bypassed that they can't give us two days notice, then it's not a real solution.
Quote:Well, if they show their cards they will be working on a different system right now. Let them at least have the advantage of surprise. Also while they have said they were investigating the issue they have never stated they have solved the issue.
This has been a problem for a while now, it just hasn't been as widespread. Also, I'm pretty sure they said they had a fix (or a potential one) for Uprising.
Quote:For your own enjoyment, Leave Battle. Just go. Get into a different match. Email the AFK with promises of Director positions in Infamous. Whatever helps you have fun. In the Game.
Ha. I like the shot at Infamous, but my idea of fun isn't writing mail to people who are just going to beat off to it later. When people who aren't playing the game are ruining it for those who would normally be enjoying it, you have a serious game design flaw.
Quote:Now spend five minutes thinking about AFK methods that do not involve the MCC. Guess what? You have worked around whatever CCP/Shanghai can come up with. This will be an ongoing battle. One that may never be won.
Your imagination is sorely lacking. Long ago they talked about making it so you couldn't earn WP within the red zone, thus facilitating more action within the combat area. Couple that with a minimum SP per X time period, and you've done some damage to AFK farmers. Even if they use the drop uplink method and hope blueberries spawn there, they'd still have to be somewhere in the actual combat area where they can be killed by their own team or the enemy.
They could add some sort of vote-kick feature, though that can always be taken advantage of. The point is, there's a lot they can do that can't be circumvented simply by moving five feet to the left.
Quote:Play your own game.
I would do that if I could without it being ruined by these people. You haven't read anything I've written. |
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