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Charlotte O'Dell
Faabulous
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Posted - 2013.05.03 07:14:00 -
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I just went 25/0 on Manus Peak with a railgun tank; never left went more than 200 meters from my red line and didn't zoom in for more than 4 of those kills. Keep in mind this tank was an absolute glass cannon (4000 shields, 1000 armor). Now, assaultman, is this what you wanted? Did you honestly ask for dirt cheap tanks that we can spam at you which can only be taken out by orbitals and other railguns because now that I get another zoom and damage bonus, it'll be even easier for me to get 6 kills in 6 seconds from 599 meters away at absolutely no risk to myself. I mean...really...it's not like you can blame me for being a kittycat when 4 AV nades, or 4 swarms, or 2 forges, or 1 good railgun, or 1 good forge will kill me. I am the harbinger of what is to come- and endless onslaught of untouchable long-range cannons which decimate anything you wish to bring out because honestly, I don't need a compressed particle cannon with 3 damage mods to kill your assault suit. Militia works just fine. Tanks forever! (or at least until they nerf our range bonus) |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
373
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Posted - 2013.05.03 07:18:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:I just went 25/0 on Manus Peak with a railgun tank; never left went more than 200 meters from my red line and didn't zoom in for more than 4 of those kills. Keep in mind this tank was an absolute glass cannon (4000 shields, 1000 armor). Now, assaultman, is this what you wanted? Did you honestly ask for dirt cheap tanks that we can spam at you which can only be taken out by orbitals and other railguns because now that I get another zoom and damage bonus, it'll be even easier for me to get 6 kills in 6 seconds from 599 meters away at absolutely no risk to myself. I mean...really...it's not like you can blame me for being a kittycat when 4 AV nades, or 4 swarms, or 2 forges, or 1 good railgun, or 1 good forge will kill me. I am the harbinger of what is to come- and endless onslaught of untouchable long-range cannons which decimate anything you wish to bring out because honestly, I don't need a compressed particle cannon with 3 damage mods to kill your assault suit. Militia works just fine. Tanks forever! (or at least until they nerf our range bonus) That's right! Show those AR humpers what for! Don't let this game turn into CoD in space. They can nerf your tanks, but they can never nerf your pride! |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
926
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Posted - 2013.05.03 07:18:00 -
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This makes me feel slightly better about Uprising. I'm going to get so much hate mail about how I'm a coward for not coming out to fight as I go 20+ every game with no risk to myself. |
Charlotte O'Dell
Faabulous
222
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Posted - 2013.05.03 07:21:00 -
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well...my KDR is gonna be 10.5 by December at this rate since now I don't even have to squint to see my target. They should just buff our range while they're at it since they troll the AR cod bois bc they hate rail snipers and they troll us bc we hate rail sniping |
MrMurder II
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.05.03 07:23:00 -
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maybe you should play world of tanks. |
Shouper of BHD
Better Hide R Die
83
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Posted - 2013.05.03 07:24:00 -
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well, enjoy the enjoyable but tanks aren't going to be that good, its pathetic to say here I am hiding from grenades and infantry held weaponry in my tank, a Heavy hidden vehicle to week to take on infrantry.....is this a tank where soldiers yell out warning "TANK! TANK INCOMING" g=and then call for air support or use a turret or other vehicle to take down while the infantry protect the AV vehicle or turret since its weakness is what's its victim is supposed to be strong to? no, tanks are tracked vehicles with a haul made up of paper money. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
61
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Posted - 2013.05.03 07:26:00 -
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Isn't one of the changes in uprising the flattening of the surrounding mountain ranges? It seems like they were trying to make an indirect fix to redline tactics like that. |
Kirah Sommersord
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.03 07:27:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:I just went 25/0 on Manus Peak with a railgun tank; never left went more than 200 meters from my red line and didn't zoom in for more than 4 of those kills. Keep in mind this tank was an absolute glass cannon (4000 shields, 1000 armor). Now, assaultman, is this what you wanted? Did you honestly ask for dirt cheap tanks that we can spam at you which can only be taken out by orbitals and other railguns because now that I get another zoom and damage bonus, it'll be even easier for me to get 6 kills in 6 seconds from 599 meters away at absolutely no risk to myself. I mean...really...it's not like you can blame me for being a kittycat when 4 AV nades, or 4 swarms, or 2 forges, or 1 good railgun, or 1 good forge will kill me. I am the harbinger of what is to come- and endless onslaught of untouchable long-range cannons which decimate anything you wish to bring out because honestly, I don't need a compressed particle cannon with 3 damage mods to kill your assault suit. Militia works just fine. Tanks forever! (or at least until they nerf our range bonus)
I don't meant to be the bearer of bad news. But neither of the enforcer tanks get bonuses to railguns.
Caldari get missiles, Gallente blasters with the new stat bonuses (It actually says blasters and not hybrid weapons). |
Syther Shadows
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
63
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Posted - 2013.05.03 07:28:00 -
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(can i just point out assault ships) |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
374
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Posted - 2013.05.03 07:31:00 -
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Kirah Sommersord wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:I just went 25/0 on Manus Peak with a railgun tank; never left went more than 200 meters from my red line and didn't zoom in for more than 4 of those kills. Keep in mind this tank was an absolute glass cannon (4000 shields, 1000 armor). Now, assaultman, is this what you wanted? Did you honestly ask for dirt cheap tanks that we can spam at you which can only be taken out by orbitals and other railguns because now that I get another zoom and damage bonus, it'll be even easier for me to get 6 kills in 6 seconds from 599 meters away at absolutely no risk to myself. I mean...really...it's not like you can blame me for being a kittycat when 4 AV nades, or 4 swarms, or 2 forges, or 1 good railgun, or 1 good forge will kill me. I am the harbinger of what is to come- and endless onslaught of untouchable long-range cannons which decimate anything you wish to bring out because honestly, I don't need a compressed particle cannon with 3 damage mods to kill your assault suit. Militia works just fine. Tanks forever! (or at least until they nerf our range bonus) I don't meant to be the bearer of bad news. But neither of the enforcer tanks get bonuses to railguns. Caldari get missiles, Gallente blasters with the new stat bonuses (It actually says blasters and not hybrid weapons). Caldari not getting railguns is going to be a huge WTF if that's true. Railguns and long range bombardment is their specialty. |
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
125
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Posted - 2013.05.03 07:33:00 -
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MrMurder II wrote:maybe you should play world of tanks. this |
Zarr Du'Kar
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
23
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Posted - 2013.05.03 07:54:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Charlotte O'Dell wrote:I just went 25/0 on Manus Peak with a railgun tank; never left went more than 200 meters from my red line and didn't zoom in for more than 4 of those kills. Keep in mind this tank was an absolute glass cannon (4000 shields, 1000 armor). Now, assaultman, is this what you wanted? Did you honestly ask for dirt cheap tanks that we can spam at you which can only be taken out by orbitals and other railguns because now that I get another zoom and damage bonus, it'll be even easier for me to get 6 kills in 6 seconds from 599 meters away at absolutely no risk to myself. I mean...really...it's not like you can blame me for being a kittycat when 4 AV nades, or 4 swarms, or 2 forges, or 1 good railgun, or 1 good forge will kill me. I am the harbinger of what is to come- and endless onslaught of untouchable long-range cannons which decimate anything you wish to bring out because honestly, I don't need a compressed particle cannon with 3 damage mods to kill your assault suit. Militia works just fine. Tanks forever! (or at least until they nerf our range bonus) That's right! Show those AR humpers what for! Don't let this game turn into CoD in space. They can nerf your tanks, but they can never nerf your FREEDOM!!!
There. Fixed it for you
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Rei Shepard
Spectre II
173
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Posted - 2013.05.03 08:10:00 -
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Quote:That's right! Show those AR humpers what for! Don't let this game turn into CoD in space. They can nerf your tanks, but they can never nerf your FREEDOM!!!
Hold that thought for when i get my hands on that suit with 2 Light Weapon slots.
Then come QQ again how unfair it is that i can mow down your infantry on the way to your tank, then swap to AV weapon + my proto AV nades.
Last time (yesterday) a team spawned 3 tanks, 5 minutes later we ate em....
Tanker Tears = 3x as delicious as Infantry versions. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
645
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Posted - 2013.05.03 08:17:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Hold that thought for when i get my hands on that suit with 2 Light Weapon slots.
Then come QQ again how unfair it is that i can mow down your infantry on the way to your tank, then swap to AV weapon + my proto AV nades.
Last time (yesterday) a team spawned 3 tanks, 5 minutes later we ate em....
Tanker Tears = 3x as delicious as Infantry versions. You seem unfamiliar with the concept of the red line.
I think EVE University might have a course explaining it, perhaps you should enroll? |
Reiki Jubo
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
107
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Posted - 2013.05.03 08:19:00 -
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The bigger issue is the range of forges and other av weapons. the fact that they cant counter sniper tanks is a problem. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
378
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Posted - 2013.05.03 08:20:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Quote:That's right! Show those AR humpers what for! Don't let this game turn into CoD in space. They can nerf your tanks, but they can never nerf your FREEDOM!!! Hold that thought for when i get my hands on that suit with 2 Light Weapon slots. Then come QQ again how unfair it is that i can mow down your infantry on the way to your tank, then swap to AV weapon + my proto AV nades. Last time (yesterday) a team spawned 3 tanks, 5 minutes later we ate em.... Tanker Tears = 3x as delicious as Infantry versions. Good luck dodging all the lasers, sniper rifles, mass drivers, scrambler rifles, (nerfed) ARs, and HMGs on your way to the tank. Oh, and the tank will probably see you before you see it. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
928
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Posted - 2013.05.03 08:29:00 -
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Reiki Jubo wrote:The bigger issue is the range of forges and other av weapons. the fact that they cant counter sniper tanks is a problem.
No, the fact we can't go out and play our role as a "Heavy Assault Vehicle" is a problem. |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
176
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Posted - 2013.05.03 08:58:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Hold that thought for when i get my hands on that suit with 2 Light Weapon slots.
Then come QQ again how unfair it is that i can mow down your infantry on the way to your tank, then swap to AV weapon + my proto AV nades.
Last time (yesterday) a team spawned 3 tanks, 5 minutes later we ate em....
Tanker Tears = 3x as delicious as Infantry versions. You seem unfamiliar with the concept of the red line. I think EVE University might have a course explaining it, perhaps you should enroll?
Have you seen the new flat terrain maps? i guess you did not, and last time i checked i can still make my ammo step into the red zone and with their 5000 HP tanks ill need to have my ammo into the red zone twice.
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Rei Shepard
Spectre II
176
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Posted - 2013.05.03 08:59:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Quote:That's right! Show those AR humpers what for! Don't let this game turn into CoD in space. They can nerf your tanks, but they can never nerf your FREEDOM!!! Hold that thought for when i get my hands on that suit with 2 Light Weapon slots. Then come QQ again how unfair it is that i can mow down your infantry on the way to your tank, then swap to AV weapon + my proto AV nades. Last time (yesterday) a team spawned 3 tanks, 5 minutes later we ate em.... Tanker Tears = 3x as delicious as Infantry versions. Good luck dodging all the lasers, sniper rifles, mass drivers, scrambler rifles, (nerfed) ARs, and HMGs on your way to the tank. Oh, and the tank will probably see you before you see it.
You sound AV hurt.
Quote: No, the fact we can't go out and play our role as a "Heavy Assault Vehicle" is a problem.
I guess in your mind a HAV means able to take hits from 16 AV people at the same time, while going WHAAAAAA on the trigger killing em all in one fell swoop.
Be glad tanks aren't modeled after real tanks, witch die after 1 direct hit from any AV weapon. |
Hazed2085
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2013.05.03 09:08:00 -
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if i see a tank ina game ill just goto a supply depot or wait till i die and get a forge gun; 1 hit and you will be scurrying back to your base. |
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Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
929
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Posted - 2013.05.03 09:10:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Cosgar wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Quote:That's right! Show those AR humpers what for! Don't let this game turn into CoD in space. They can nerf your tanks, but they can never nerf your FREEDOM!!! Hold that thought for when i get my hands on that suit with 2 Light Weapon slots. Then come QQ again how unfair it is that i can mow down your infantry on the way to your tank, then swap to AV weapon + my proto AV nades. Last time (yesterday) a team spawned 3 tanks, 5 minutes later we ate em.... Tanker Tears = 3x as delicious as Infantry versions. Good luck dodging all the lasers, sniper rifles, mass drivers, scrambler rifles, (nerfed) ARs, and HMGs on your way to the tank. Oh, and the tank will probably see you before you see it. You sound AV hurt. Quote: No, the fact we can't go out and play our role as a "Heavy Assault Vehicle" is a problem.
I guess in your mind a HAV means able to take hits from 16 AV people at the same time, while going WHAAAAAA on the trigger killing em all in one fell swoop. Be glad tanks aren't modeled after real tanks, witch die after 1 direct hit from any AV weapon.
OHSHIT REALISM. Welcome to a Game.
No, I'd like it to require teamwork to take me down (Since I'm always told to run with a squad of infantry that should be covering me, which I do.) rather than be solo'd by a single guy. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
383
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Posted - 2013.05.03 09:16:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:You sound AV hurt. Nah, I'm a Logistics, I take away the hurt. Speaking of which, I'm sorry to inform you, but your butthurt towards HAV is beyond my medical experience. Diagnosis: Too much CoD in your diet. |
Donnerwerk
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1
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Posted - 2013.05.03 09:48:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:You sound AV hurt. Nah, I'm a Logistics, I take away the hurt. Speaking of which, I'm sorry to inform you, but your butthurt towards HAV is beyond my medical experience. Diagnosis: Too much CoD in your diet.
Can we get this to a more adult level of discussion please?
So IRL Tanks die to 1 two phase Javlin. A tank costst about 40 - 60m, while a javlin cost 80k for a rocket and 40k for the mount.
That said, this is not RL. So what kind of mechanics would you like to be implemented to make the hole Tanking and Antitanking gameplay fun to use and at the same time fun to be used on?
i think everyone agrees that one tank owning an entire map is counterproductive, same goes for one AV guy who can lock down an entire map for tanks.
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Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
214
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Posted - 2013.05.03 09:51:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Cosgar wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Quote:That's right! Show those AR humpers what for! Don't let this game turn into CoD in space. They can nerf your tanks, but they can never nerf your FREEDOM!!! Hold that thought for when i get my hands on that suit with 2 Light Weapon slots. Then come QQ again how unfair it is that i can mow down your infantry on the way to your tank, then swap to AV weapon + my proto AV nades. Last time (yesterday) a team spawned 3 tanks, 5 minutes later we ate em.... Tanker Tears = 3x as delicious as Infantry versions. Good luck dodging all the lasers, sniper rifles, mass drivers, scrambler rifles, (nerfed) ARs, and HMGs on your way to the tank. Oh, and the tank will probably see you before you see it. You sound AV hurt. Quote: No, the fact we can't go out and play our role as a "Heavy Assault Vehicle" is a problem.
I guess in your mind a HAV means able to take hits from 16 AV people at the same time, while going WHAAAAAA on the trigger killing em all in one fell swoop. Be glad tanks aren't modeled after real tanks, witch die after 1 direct hit from any AV weapon.
Shouldn't be possible for one person to solo a tank, especially considering how much they cost ect in comparison. But since tanks are losing toughness hopefully it'll be a case of blasters one hitting infantry. |
Shouper of BHD
Better Hide R Die
85
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Posted - 2013.05.03 18:34:00 -
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Quote: No, the fact we can't go out and play our role as a "Heavy Assault Vehicle" is a problem.
Quote: I guess in your mind a HAV means able to take hits from 16 AV people at the same time, while going WHAAAAAA on the trigger killing em all in one fell swoop.
Be glad tanks aren't modeled after real tanks, witch die after 1 direct hit from any AV weapon.
Quote: Shouldn't be possible for one person to solo a tank, especially considering how much they cost ect in comparison. But since tanks are losing toughness hopefully it'll be a case of blasters one hitting infantry.
I like seeing like this, proto heavy with a FG and AV gear costs 400k ISK, a proto tanks with decked out gear as well meant for HP resistance rather then damage done costs 3,200,000 ISK so the tank is one eight (ok I`m bewildered, how do you spell 8th) but out of ten game who would win? well logically cost wise the tank should win 8 out of ten, now role wise it should be lowered to 5 out of 5, yes the proto FG is an AV he is 1 man alone, tanks should be "oh there is a tank, I`ll change load-outs no biggy" no it should be "TANK! tank incoming!" then you use an ANTI TANK GUN/TURRET (they tend to be impossible to hold by 1 fat man because the amount of armor they pierce) or call in air support, a team of AV infantry can handle a tank as well but not 1 man under most circumstances. Yet, I noticed CCP placed tanks under LAV operation.... funny CCP... funny.... |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
139
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Posted - 2013.05.03 18:42:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Hold that thought for when i get my hands on that suit with 2 Light Weapon slots.
Then come QQ again how unfair it is that i can mow down your infantry on the way to your tank, then swap to AV weapon + my proto AV nades.
Last time (yesterday) a team spawned 3 tanks, 5 minutes later we ate em....
Tanker Tears = 3x as delicious as Infantry versions. You seem unfamiliar with the concept of the red line. I think EVE University might have a course explaining it, perhaps you should enroll?
I've done suicide runs into the redline for snipers, why should HAVs be any different? There's actually more incentive to do it for a HAV, more points and potentially more kills. |
Kitten Commander
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
212
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Posted - 2013.05.03 18:52:00 -
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All of this talk about something that hasnt even been released yet just sounds like "Well, when I grow up Im gonna..." |
DeadlyAztec11
One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas
148
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Posted - 2013.05.03 19:05:00 -
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Reiki Jubo wrote:The bigger issue is the range of forges and other av weapons. the fact that they cant counter sniper tanks is a problem.
Boi... I can hit a scout sniper in the head with my forge gun. So speak for yourself about not bein' able to snipe. |
LeCuch
Red Star. EoN.
22
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Posted - 2013.05.03 19:06:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Reiki Jubo wrote:The bigger issue is the range of forges and other av weapons. the fact that they cant counter sniper tanks is a problem. Boi... I can hit a scout sniper in the head with my forge gun. So speak for yourself about not bein' able to snipe. And it's a huge a** tank. Not that small of a target |
Medic 1879
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
173
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Posted - 2013.05.03 19:12:00 -
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Tankers will be pleased to note the patch notes say marauder tanks are removed temporarily so theres hope for them making a return. |
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Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
961
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Posted - 2013.05.03 19:35:00 -
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Medic 1879 wrote:Tankers will be pleased to note the patch notes say marauder tanks are removed temporarily so theres hope for them making a return.
For a "Rework.." *shudders* You've seen how CCP handles balancing, they do not finely adjust and refine, they hit it with a hammer and hope it turns out okay. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
99
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Posted - 2013.05.03 19:38:00 -
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eh, your fun will last all of a weekend, if tanks cause problems people will adapt and kill you even in the red zone ^^.
enjoy it while it lasts =) |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
477
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Posted - 2013.05.03 19:39:00 -
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lol, this thread is now obsolete, heavies nerfed again and murader tanks gone, this seems more and more like CoD 2385 |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die
234
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Posted - 2013.05.03 19:44:00 -
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The tank doesn't even need to be a glass cannon, I have roughly 6000 EHP. 5000 Shields x 22% Passive Resistors.
I can still 2-3 hit kill any decent fitted STD tank, I've survived Orbitals too, I just flick on my Shield Boosters and get out of the way. Most of the time I'm taken down to Armour, but if there is no one around to finish me off and there are no meter high bumps in my way, I'd make it out safely.
Of course I will be skilling into Assault Dropships, but as a former tank driver, I hope tanks are brought back to how they were before they were hit time and time again with nerf hammers. |
Justin Tymes
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
60
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Posted - 2013.05.03 19:46:00 -
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Shouper of BHD wrote:Quote: No, the fact we can't go out and play our role as a "Heavy Assault Vehicle" is a problem.
Quote: I guess in your mind a HAV means able to take hits from 16 AV people at the same time, while going WHAAAAAA on the trigger killing em all in one fell swoop.
Be glad tanks aren't modeled after real tanks, witch die after 1 direct hit from any AV weapon. Quote: Shouldn't be possible for one person to solo a tank, especially considering how much they cost ect in comparison. But since tanks are losing toughness hopefully it'll be a case of blasters one hitting infantry. I like seeing like this, proto heavy with a FG and AV gear costs 400k ISK, a proto tanks with decked out gear as well meant for HP resistance rather then damage done costs 3,200,000 ISK so the tank is one eight (ok I`m bewildered, how do you spell 8th) but out of ten game who would win? well logically cost wise the tank should win 8 out of ten, now role wise it should be lowered to 5 out of 5, yes the proto FG is an AV he is 1 man alone, tanks should be "oh there is a tank, I`ll change load-outs no biggy" no it should be "TANK! tank incoming!" then you use an ANTI TANK GUN/TURRET (they tend to be impossible to hold by 1 fat man because the amount of armor they pierce) or call in air support, a team of AV infantry can handle a tank as well but not 1 man under most circumstances. Yet, I noticed CCP placed tanks under LAV operation.... funny CCP... funny....
"Boo hoo I'm dying to weapons that are specifically designed to kill me. This shouldn't happen because I have the right to survive against any AV just because I paid millions for my tank, regardless of skill" Forget killing him, if you can't survive against one Heavy with a Forge gun, quit tanking. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
6
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Posted - 2013.05.03 19:51:00 -
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Quote:599 meters away at absolutely no risk to myself.
Until an assault drop ship with turbo comes up behind and above you and blows your butt to dust. |
Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
219
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Posted - 2013.05.03 21:13:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Quote:599 meters away at absolutely no risk to myself. Until an assault drop ship with turbo comes up behind and above you and blows your butt to dust. If it survives all the rail fire. |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
53
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Posted - 2013.05.03 21:15:00 -
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ARs have doomed us all :'( |
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