DUST Search - AFK is an exploit: all these risk-free reward should be rolled back

DUST Fiend wrote:

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

Once again Maken Tosch, how would it be a punishment to take SP away from them if that SP was never earned and should never have received in the first place? They literally did nothing to gain it.

Whether your PS3 is off, your in your MQ, or you're AFK in the MCC, you're doing NOTHING. One version of doing nothing (AFK farming) gives more SP than the other ways of doing nothing, so AFK farming has an unfair advantage over other methods of doing nothing. The worse part is, the method of doing nothing that gives the most SP actually hurts the team since it takes up a player slot that could otherwise be used by someone productively. Basically you get rewarded for doing nothing AND for hurting your team.

EDIT: Thanks for the link

The fact that CPM endorses this and CCP is relatively quiet is quite disturbing, unfortunately. It seems like everyone feels entitled to be continuously rewarded for downloading DUST to their system and nothing more.

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Veiny Throbbing Joystick Intara Direct Action Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.05.02 22:27:00 - [1] - Quote CCP if you turn your blind eye to the people exploiting a mechanism that ruins the gameplay of other normal players to gain massive SP without taking any risk, your failure to enforce a fair and rewarding gameplay will make you STINK as a game company. However if you take action and roll-back the SP and ISK, your adherence to justice and fairness will win over the hearts of the big crowd of potential customers out there. Time to choose. Inaction and stink, or rescue your future? What will you do CCP?
Elijah Sol' Dzusaki Onward Defrosted Tuna Team 566	Posted - 2013.05.02 22:29:00 - [2] - Quote Yeah let Wal-Mart take over.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.05.02 22:38:00 - [3] - Quote Skirmish stats don't count at the moment, you could play with starter fits at zero personal risk. AFKers aren't a problem, so you lose a match or two because half your team wasn't playing? Who cares, I lose most ambush matches because of incompetent blueberries. And remember, if your team has AFKers, then the other team probably does too.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2170	Posted - 2013.05.02 22:41:00 - [4] - Quote Hmmm... 1. New build coming on May 6 that will address the AFK problem. 2. It's stupid to punish players for using a mechanic that was legitimately put in by CCP. 3. It's not an exploit if CCP was the one who put in this mechanic in the first place. 4. No, I don't AFK in case that's what you're thinking.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1156	Posted - 2013.05.02 22:44:00 - [5] - Quote lol this is like the 10th thread today about AFK'ers
Medic 1879 The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 153	Posted - 2013.05.02 22:44:00 - [6] - Quote I always play dust AFK I use a DS3 instead.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 101	Posted - 2013.05.02 22:45:00 - [7] - Quote LOL @ OP alt name... well done sir.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2735	Posted - 2013.05.02 22:47:00 - [8] - Quote Their lack of backbone over this issue concerns me, but I'll be in FW and PC from the 6th on, so that takes a bit of the edge off
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1158	Posted - 2013.05.02 22:48:00 - [9] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Their lack of backbone over this issue concerns me, but I'll be in FW and PC from the 6th on, so that takes a bit of the edge off PC coming the 14th...not sure about FW.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3649	Posted - 2013.05.02 22:50:00 - [10] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Hmmm... 1. New build coming on May 6 that will address the AFK problem. 2. It's stupid to punish players for using a mechanic that was legitimately put in by CCP. 3. It's not an exploit if CCP was the one who put in this mechanic in the first place. 4. No, I don't AFK in case that's what you're thinking. 1. Where is your source? I would like to see it where it says that AFK farming will be addressed. 2. Its not a punishment, its taking away something they shouldn't have received in the first place. If someone steals, taking what they stolen away from them is not a punishment since it was never really theirs; a punishment would be to throw them in jail. 3. An exploit by definition is the use of a mechanic that the developers have in place, but used in an unintended way. You think this was CCP's intention? 4. It doesn't bother you that people are getting extra SP for doing nothing while you're not?

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2737	Posted - 2013.05.02 22:52:00 - [11] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Their lack of backbone over this issue concerns me, but I'll be in FW and PC from the 6th on, so that takes a bit of the edge off PC coming the 14th...not sure about FW. Oops, either way lol. As soon as it lands, I'll be there.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2013.05.02 22:59:00 - [12] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: 4. It doesn't bother you that people are getting extra SP for doing nothing while you're not? They get more Sp from matches and therefore hit the Cap faster, that also gives them a head start on the softcap SP.
Veiny Throbbing Joystick Intara Direct Action Caldari State 5	Posted - 2013.05.02 23:00:00 - [13] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: LOL @ OP alt name... well done sir. I think my corp "Enterer direct action" is icing on the cake.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2170	Posted - 2013.05.02 23:03:00 - [14] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Hmmm... 1. New build coming on May 6 that will address the AFK problem. 2. It's stupid to punish players for using a mechanic that was legitimately put in by CCP. 3. It's not an exploit if CCP was the one who put in this mechanic in the first place. 4. No, I don't AFK in case that's what you're thinking. 1. Where is your source? I would like to see it where it says that AFK farming will be addressed. 2. Its not a punishment, its taking away something they shouldn't have received in the first place. If someone steals, taking what they stolen away from them is not a punishment; a punishment would be to throw them in jail. 3. An exploit by definition is the use of a mechanic that the developers have in place, but used in an unintended way. You think this was CCP's intention? 4. It doesn't bother you that people are getting extra SP for doing nothing while you're not? 1. Fanfest. At least they hinted at it. I will have to wait until they finally upload one of their keynotes. I remember this was brought up during a Q&A session in one of the keynotes. Don't remember which one. 2. Taking away the SP earned from AFK seems a little complicated considering how you have to track players movements and tell apart an AFKer from a player actually doing the recon from a hidden spot. 3. This was obviously not CCP's intention, but punishing players for figuring out the AFK thing seems like overdoing it. Just simply turn off any earnings made over time from just being on the match and limit the earnings to actual effort. It's as simple as that. 4. I'm not gonna lie. It does bother me a little, but CCP said during Fanfest they will fix it. As to how... well.. they didn't say.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3650	Posted - 2013.05.02 23:18:00 - [15] - Quote Once again Maken Tosch, how would it be a punishment to take SP away from them if that SP was never earned and should never have received in the first place? They literally did nothing to gain it. Whether your PS3 is off, your in your MQ, or you're AFK in the MCC, you're doing NOTHING. One version of doing nothing (AFK farming) gives more SP than the other ways of doing nothing, so AFK farming has an unfair advantage over other methods of doing nothing. The worse part is, the method of doing nothing that gives the most SP actually hurts the team since it takes up a player slot that could otherwise be used by someone productively. Basically you get rewarded for doing nothing AND for hurting your team. EDIT: Thanks for the link
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2737	Posted - 2013.05.02 23:20:00 - [16] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Once again Maken Tosch, how would it be a punishment to take SP away from them if that SP was never earned and should never have received in the first place? They literally did nothing to gain it. Whether your PS3 is off, your in your MQ, or you're AFK in the MCC, you're doing NOTHING. One version of doing nothing (AFK farming) gives more SP than the other ways of doing nothing, so AFK farming has an unfair advantage over other methods of doing nothing. The worse part is, the method of doing nothing that gives the most SP actually hurts the team since it takes up a player slot that could otherwise be used by someone productively. Basically you get rewarded for doing nothing AND for hurting your team. EDIT: Thanks for the link The fact that CPM endorses this and CCP is relatively quiet is quite disturbing, unfortunately. It seems like everyone feels entitled to be continuously rewarded for downloading DUST to their system and nothing more.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3652	Posted - 2013.05.02 23:36:00 - [17] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Once again Maken Tosch, how would it be a punishment to take SP away from them if that SP was never earned and should never have received in the first place? They literally did nothing to gain it. Whether your PS3 is off, your in your MQ, or you're AFK in the MCC, you're doing NOTHING. One version of doing nothing (AFK farming) gives more SP than the other ways of doing nothing, so AFK farming has an unfair advantage over other methods of doing nothing. The worse part is, the method of doing nothing that gives the most SP actually hurts the team since it takes up a player slot that could otherwise be used by someone productively. Basically you get rewarded for doing nothing AND for hurting your team. EDIT: Thanks for the link The fact that CPM endorses this and CCP is relatively quiet is quite disturbing, unfortunately. It seems like everyone feels entitled to be continuously rewarded for downloading DUST to their system and nothing more. Not surprising considering some CPM members are known AFK farmers. Its essentially getting passive boosters for free, CCP should feel cheated.
RejectedUsername The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:03:00 - [18] - Quote A roll back after 3x exp week. No thank you mate
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2745	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:06:00 - [19] - Quote RejectedUsername wrote: A roll back after 3x exp week. No thank you mate Only people who abused an exploit would be against this, so I for one don't really see the issue.
Veiny Throbbing Joystick Intara Direct Action Caldari State 23	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:08:00 - [20] - Quote AFK exploiters should be punished.

Justin Tymes Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 57	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:12:00 - [21] - Quote Veiny Throbbing Joystick wrote: CCP if you turn your blind eye to the people exploiting a mechanism that ruins the gameplay of other normal players to gain massive SP without taking any risk, your failure to enforce a fair and rewarding gameplay will make you STINK as a game company. However if you take action and roll-back the SP and ISK, your adherence to justice and fairness will win over the hearts of the big crowd of potential customers out there. Time to choose. Inaction and stink, or rescue your future? What will you do CCP? Like it or not, the mechanic is in the game. If it was wrong to abuse it, it wouldn't be in to begin with. There is zero reason to punish anyone using it, just because you don't due to your personal reasons. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owzhYNcd4OM&feature=player_embedded
Gunmouse Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 49	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:13:00 - [22] - Quote Sooo much butthurt in this thread. I was AFK'in while outside cooking steaks and you all are literally grinding away in statless games all the while QQ'n about "no life afk'ers". Inb4 get a job/life. I work a full time job, cap, and live my life. GOML or GTFO
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2748	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:17:00 - [23] - Quote I think the worst part about this whole issue is how obviously the community doesn't care about the future of this game. They would much rather abuse an exploit for their own personal gain then stand up against it. It's sad, and very indicative of the attitude of this games community. I'm done with this **** for today, you people make my brain bleed.
Veiny Throbbing Joystick Intara Direct Action Caldari State 27	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:18:00 - [24] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I think the worst part about this whole issue is how obviously the community doesn't care about the future of this game. They would much rather abuse an exploit for their own personal gain then stand up against it. It's sad, and very indicative of the attitude of this games community. Game is dead
Gunmouse Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 49	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:27:00 - [25] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I think the worst part about this whole issue is how obviously the community doesn't care about the future of this game. They would much rather abuse an exploit for their own personal gain then stand up against it. It's sad, and very indicative of the attitude of this games community. I'm done with this **** for today, you people make my brain bleed. Ya, he mad.
Justin Tymes Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 58	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:30:00 - [26] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I think the worst part about this whole issue is how obviously the community doesn't care about the future of this game. They would much rather abuse an exploit for their own personal gain then stand up against it. It's sad, and very indicative of the attitude of this games community. I'm done with this **** for today, you people make my brain bleed. There's nothing wrong with fixing the mechanic. I think mostly everyone will agree with that. Punishing people for using the mechanic is stupid though, and it does nothing but feed your own ego. Drop the holier-than-thou attitude.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 16	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:33:00 - [27] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I think the worst part about this whole issue is how obviously the community doesn't care about the future of this game. They would much rather abuse an exploit for their own personal gain then stand up against it. It's sad, and very indicative of the attitude of this games community. I'm done with this **** for today, you people make my brain bleed. There's nothing wrong with fixing the mechanic. I think mostly everyone will agree with that. Punishing people for using the mechanic is stupid though, and it does nothing but feed your own ego. Drop the holier-than-thou attitude. This.
Llan Heindell One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas 22	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:35:00 - [28] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: RejectedUsername wrote: A roll back after 3x exp week. No thank you mate Only people who abused an exploit would be against this, so I for one don't really see the issue. Actually, no. I had my efforts to play and fight for 3 days straight during the event. I don't want to lose all my effort because of those idiots. It is so simple to correct this... But it should have been done from the beginning... Make so that if a player stays inside the MCC for more then 10 secounds, they start to lose points per extra second inside the MCC. If said player stays inside the MCC for over 5 minutes, he gets kicked, obviously not getting any rewards or SP. This will make people just from the MCC and stay AFK either on the base or under the MCC. Thats easier for us, active players, to fix. Get LAV, run them over, repeat. Llan Heindell.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2755	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:37:00 - [29] - Quote Llan Heindell wrote: Actually, no. I had my efforts to play and fight for 3 days straight during the event. I don't want to lose all my effort because of those idiots. I was actually thinking that only AFK sp would get rolled back, just an fyi. It's a pipe dream anyways, like in real life, people get rewarded for cheating and stealing, so long as you can twist the law to support your actions
Llan Heindell One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas 22	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:40:00 - [30] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Llan Heindell wrote: Actually, no. I had my efforts to play and fight for 3 days straight during the event. I don't want to lose all my effort because of those idiots. I was actually thinking that only AFK sp would get rolled back, just an fyi. It's a pipe dream anyways, like in real life, people get rewarded for cheating and stealing, so long as you can twist the law to support your actions It's actually hard to trace AFKers... THey would either rollback everything or let it go and do nothing. Just a FYI. Except for Jenza and Nova that are openly admitting that they are AFKers. First punishment, kick from CPM. Rofl Ok not that much, but seriously. You are not getting my vote when the CPMs are elected by players. Llan Heindell.



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