I hear Madrugars will still be in the game next build....

the madrugars and gunnlogis will still be here, the marauders are being replaced by expensive militia versions that will be almost completely useless

Plus this forces everyone to be an armor tank because
A: New weapon against shield
B: Madrugar vs. Gunloggi the Madrugar will always win
C: Armor is cheaper to spec into, cheaper to use, and wins tank fights

This thread is disappointing, there is no mention of the game referenced in the title.

you want a reference?

I was making a joke about the title spelling Crysis rather than crisis.

Plus this forces everyone to be an armor tank because
A: New weapon against shield
B: Madrugar vs. Gunloggi the Madrugar will always win
C: Armor is cheaper to spec into, cheaper to use, and wins tank fights

Sad truth.

People telling us to "wait" for the notes, we already know CCP dropped the ball. CCP always **** up when it comes to Vehicles, heres another **** up that we'll just have to suffer through..

So, while that's going on... World of Tanks..?

First of all Void- Good4You... Second- even though the new tanks cost as much as the marauder class tanks you will still get money. PC will bring isk to your corp meaning your CEO/ Directors can distribute isk to each an every one of their soldiers. Oh even the tankers. Especially the tankers since they are all for vehicular combat. Its like a paycheck... It really was supposed to happen but nobody knows about it - When your corp wins a Corp match why you think you dont get paid for it.. Your CEO has to pay you a nice hansom amount of isk

I hope I changed your mind about not spec'ing into tanks.... Have a nice damn day...

First of all Void- Good4You... Second- even though the new tanks cost as much as the marauder class tanks you will still get money. PC will bring isk to your corp meaning your CEO/ Directors can distribute isk to each an every one of their soldiers. Oh even the tankers. Especially the tankers since they are all for vehicular combat. Its like a paycheck... It really was supposed to happen but nobody knows about it - When your corp wins a Corp match why you think you dont get paid for it.. Your CEO has to pay you a nice hansom amount of isk

I hope I changed your mind about not spec'ing into tanks.... Have a nice damn day...

If a CEO pays out for the pieces of **** we're running, they're either incredibly generous or rather stupid, who in their right mind pays for such a liability? We'd all be better off going Heavy, atleast it will require teamwork to take those out.

Apparently nobody gets what im trying to say. All I see it as is since you dont get jack squat for playing in corp battles, its up to your CEO to pay their players. Obviously

Got to disagree.

A: There is also a weapon for armor, called swarms, they are super-effective against armor.
B: No, no....no.
C: Cheaper to spec into maybe, cheaper to use no, and does not also win all tank fights.

Got to disagree.

A: There is also a weapon for armor, called swarms, they are super-effective against armor.
B: No, no....no.
C: Cheaper to spec into maybe, cheaper to use no, and does not also win all tank fights.

Dude. If you go Blaster vs. Blaster on a fully fit gunnlogi and madrugar, the madrugar will win. I've looked at every possible option for shield tanks to win, and pretty much head on they just don't. Armor swallows the bullets and the shield cant take as many hits.
Same with railgun on railgun, fully fit rail madrugar and fully fit gunnlogi with railguns the madrugar will take usually 3-4 hits and the gunnlogi will die after the 2nd, and if not, then the 3rd. Armor wins again there.
Missle vs. Missle, i have no idea, even though i use missles, i have never had a shield missle against an armor missle tank fight. I think this is the only scenario where a shield tank would beat the armor counterpart.

And swarms hurt yeah. So do AV Nades. But a proto swarm only does so much damage and shoot so fast. A Gastuns BNR Forge gun? They shoot off every like 1.2 seconds, and hit for insane amounts of damage. My Surya got killed by one the other day, took 5 shots of it, he was the only guy hitting me, even though its a shield weapon, it still hurts quite bad.

Cmon other tank drivers, you know that the best fit of a Madrugar blaster vs the best fit of a Gunnlogi blaster, the gunnlogi can't win. Surya vs. Sagaris, is a bit different. But hey they are removing those and replacing them with a crap version, so we're screwed over anyways

Apparently nobody gets what im trying to say. All I see it as is since you dont get jack squat for playing in corp battles, its up to your CEO to pay their players. Obviously

Actually, if you paid attention to the PC blogs, we will be getting paid, it's a hefty sum but a fraction of what it costs to run a tank. Again, why would anyone pay for something that can be solo'd easily and is only useful sniping from the redline? We already have Snipers for Infantry, they don't need a 2mil tank to do the job of a guy that costs 100k a time. Tankers will be an expensive asset with no role other than sniping. Completely useless.

If its only red lining then it would be better to just use a militia with a rail, no need to max out a tank your not taking into the center of a fight.

Dude. If you go Blaster vs. Blaster on a fully fit gunnlogi and madrugar, the madrugar will win. I've looked at every possible option for shield tanks to win, and pretty much head on they just don't. Armor swallows the bullets and the shield cant take as many hits.
Same with railgun on railgun, fully fit rail madrugar and fully fit gunnlogi with railguns the madrugar will take usually 3-4 hits and the gunnlogi will die after the 2nd, and if not, then the 3rd. Armor wins again there.
Missle vs. Missle, i have no idea, even though i use missles, i have never had a shield missle against an armor missle tank fight. I think this is the only scenario where a shield tank would beat the armor counterpart.

And swarms hurt yeah. So do AV Nades. But a proto swarm only does so much damage and shoot so fast. A Gastuns BNR Forge gun? They shoot off every like 1.2 seconds, and hit for insane amounts of damage. My Surya got killed by one the other day, took 5 shots of it, he was the only guy hitting me, even though its a shield weapon, it still hurts quite bad.

Cmon other tank drivers, you know that the best fit of a Madrugar blaster vs the best fit of a Gunnlogi blaster, the gunnlogi can't win. Surya vs. Sagaris, is a bit different. But hey they are removing those and replacing them with a crap version, so we're screwed over anyways

"Welcome to AR 514, we have vehicles, but don't bother using them because they've been nerfed to paper. That huge stat sheet? Oh don't worry about that, that's just fluff to let people think the skills matter. That complicate fitting screen and all those dropsuits? Never you mind, just stick with a shield tanking Caldari assault suit and this Duvolle. Everything else is window dressing to attract people that want something other than CoD. Actually, this game is just a beta for the new CoD with all that stuff added as a placebo effect."

Innovation my @$$

Please remind me how long you've played this game?
Or are you just a "oh i got nerfed this build it's not like they'll buff it next build" *********

Personally, I don't think that matters, but if you feel like you deserve some kind of validation, I've been a customer of CCP for 5 years and have been tracking Dust 514 since it was an unnamed pre-alpha in 2009 where it was advertised as a tactical strafe and track FPS with tactical decisions likened to a RTS. Back then, there was no indication of the EVE connection it shares now but just a spinoff of the EVE universe. When Tyrannis came out, that's when things got real and this little unannounced alpha became Dust 514.

Is my opinion valid now?

I agree man. Like honestly LAVs, are a joke
A good dropship can get screwed by 2 dudes running AV
Heck, my Sagaris or Surya can get killed by 1 guy with good AV

But all the noobs that cry "Tanks are OP because my militia swarm can't kill them" are in the majority.

This thread is disappointing, there is no mention of the game referenced in the title.

Noob question but Madrugar? Gunloggi?

The point of the new enforcer class is long range and high damage.
Now, I cant say how well that will or will not work out, but you guys still have your standard tanks, which in my opinion are fine.
Takes a fair bit of work to take one down.

clearly there is a disconnect between the marketing team and the vechile development in dust. because in every trailer of dust there are like a million tanks and lav's and dropships in the game along with infantry. but the game punishes even the best pilots. WTF CCP there is no incentive for specing into any vechiles. This game has turned into COD.

clearly there is a disconnect between the marketing team and the vechile development in dust. because in every trailer of dust there are like a million tanks and lav's and dropships in the game along with infantry. but the game punishes even the best pilots. WTF CCP there is no incentive for specing into any vechiles. This game has turned into COD.

join the club.

i haven't met a single tanker who said they are going back to a tank after the respec (myself included). I'm not the negative type i always try to offer positive compromise and never simply say "this game is crap" but CCP dun goofed hard core.

where is the vehicle team? can we talk to them? maybe work this thing out a bit?
who is the vehicle team?
thread upon thread about balance of infantry V vehicle never that I've seen have we got dev feed back on the subject.

So...

What are these supposed nerfs that the HAV is getting?

I see plenty of people complaining about it, but no one will actually say what's happening.

Well, its basically everywhere. Uprising will bring more AV weapons (Plasma cannon, jeez, even flaylock maybe).
Also, as seen in a post I cant recall its link or name, they leaked some info about "Enforcer" tanks.
This enforcer tanks were supposedly "marauders", but they are standard militia tanks that cost 1.2M, which is total bullshit of the amount of HP, PG, CPU, etc. That tank had.

So unless CCP does something right before may 6, tanking will be gone.

the main issue is the twitch players that we dont need, turning this game into a twitch game will only force the real gamers to leave.

join the club.

i haven't met a single tanker who said they are going back to a tank after the respec (myself included). I'm not the negative type i always try to offer positive compromise and never simply say "this game is crap" but CCP dun goofed hard core.

where is the vehicle team? can we talk to them? maybe work this thing out a bit?
who is the vehicle team?
thread upon thread about balance of infantry V vehicle never that I've seen have we got dev feed back on the subject.

Personally, I'm pretty sure vehicles are going to remain borked until capacitor gets implemented. I remain hopeful.

After capacitors are added:

CoDer -"Wahhhhh! This tank can keep his hardeners on forever! I don't want to spec into nosferatu, I want to use my AR and Militia Missiles! Wahhhhhhhh! I'm going to quit and go back to Black OPs 16!!!! WAAHHHHHHHH!"

CCP- "NERF!"

Dust 514 community- CoD PEOPLE GTFO ALREADY!!!!!!!

When's the new CoD coming out?

Noob question but Madrugar? Gunloggi?

Dude. If you go Blaster vs. Blaster on a fully fit gunnlogi and madrugar, the madrugar will win. I've looked at every possible option for shield tanks to win, and pretty much head on they just don't. Armor swallows the bullets and the shield cant take as many hits.
Same with railgun on railgun, fully fit rail madrugar and fully fit gunnlogi with railguns the madrugar will take usually 3-4 hits and the gunnlogi will die after the 2nd, and if not, then the 3rd. Armor wins again there.
Missle vs. Missle, i have no idea, even though i use missles, i have never had a shield missle against an armor missle tank fight. I think this is the only scenario where a shield tank would beat the armor counterpart.

And swarms hurt yeah. So do AV Nades. But a proto swarm only does so much damage and shoot so fast. A Gastuns BNR Forge gun? They shoot off every like 1.2 seconds, and hit for insane amounts of damage. My Surya got killed by one the other day, took 5 shots of it, he was the only guy hitting me, even though its a shield weapon, it still hurts quite bad.

Cmon other tank drivers, you know that the best fit of a Madrugar blaster vs the best fit of a Gunnlogi blaster, the gunnlogi can't win. Surya vs. Sagaris, is a bit different. But hey they are removing those and replacing them with a crap version, so we're screwed over anyways

a) new weapon is garbage
b) how tht work out for u last time we met
c) armor is cheaper but does not win tank fights.

Hi, I'm Void Echo, you may know about me through the forums for being a tank driver and killing almost everything in sight.

I'm greatly disappointed in CCP for a few reasons: 1. They only listen to assault players that constantly whine "OP" in this game,

I am stating here publically on the forums in front of the Dust 514 community and CCP that I will refuse to skill up into HAVs now until they are revived in the next build or brought back to their former glory before Open Beta.

I'm deeply saddened and disappointed that I have been forced to consider abandoning tanks and skill up into an infantry class now.....

The cost of the new tanks is WAY TOO much for it to be THAT WEAK, they are now complete glass cannons thanks to the whiny assaulters crying "OP" constantly.


The ONLY way I will remain a Tank Driver is if they don't alter any of the stats for the Madrugar or Gunnlogi and or they bring back the Surya and Sagaris, and if they nerf the OP AV equipment.


I may just quit Dust 514 all together if they continue to make AV more OP .

stop pissing and moaning bout a build that you havent played with yet. i mean really its stuip. until a dev or a real ccp members gives the notes on the the build dont believe what other people tell you til then STFU and play the game. and if you dont like what i said then to bad grow up its a game thats not fully out yet and til it is there will always be a form of issues with the balancing. infanty will always complain bout vehicles and vehicles bout infanty. all you can do is grown up and suggest things if not play smarter. stop judging a game that doesn't have everything in it just stop. wait til everything is put into the game. plus you still have yours tanks bout for the few pilots in this game that want the fighters not possibly not getting them and are stuck with thr assault dropships that are probably worse then the standard one. think bout it. YOU STILL HAVE ARE TANKS,glass tanks or not they are still there.

stop pissing and moaning bout a build that you havent played with yet. i mean really its stuip. until a dev or a real ccp members gives the notes on the the build dont believe what other people tell you til then STFU and play the game. and if you dont like what i said then to bad grow up its a game thats not fully out yet and til it is there will always be a form of issues with the balancing. infanty will always complain bout vehicles and vehicles bout infanty. all you can do is grown up and suggest things if not play smarter. stop judging a game that doesn't have everything in it just stop. wait til everything is put into the game. plus you still have yours tanks bout for the few pilots in this game that want the fighters not possibly not getting them and are stuck with thr assault dropships that are probably worse then the standard one. think bout it. YOU STILL HAVE ARE TANKS,glass tanks or not they are still there.

They may have been complaing because the amount of tank use in ambush , what ccp really needs to do is have a infantry only game mode no vehicles no nothing just weapons that should satisfy some people and maybe ccp will rebuff havs

They may have been complaing because the amount of tank use in ambush , what ccp really needs to do is have a infantry only game mode no vehicles no nothing just weapons that should satisfy some people and maybe ccp will rebuff havs

Nah the problem is manus peak which is a tiny map on ambush and then drop a big vehicle like a tank on it and just drive around murdering people on their spawnpoints. This doesnt happend on the OMS variant cause the map is actually larger and gives you the option to strike back. On other maps you have buildings where you can camp with AV or chokepoints where you can ambush them. Tanks are not the problem its the maps.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=71620

tank truce, assault class you will be hunted for what you have done