Dude. If you go Blaster vs. Blaster on a fully fit gunnlogi and madrugar, the madrugar will win. I've looked at every possible option for shield tanks to win, and pretty much head on they just don't. Armor swallows the bullets and the shield cant take as many hits.
Same with railgun on railgun, fully fit rail madrugar and fully fit gunnlogi with railguns the madrugar will take usually 3-4 hits and the gunnlogi will die after the 2nd, and if not, then the 3rd. Armor wins again there.
Missle vs. Missle, i have no idea, even though i use missles, i have never had a shield missle against an armor missle tank fight. I think this is the only scenario where a shield tank would beat the armor counterpart.

And swarms hurt yeah. So do AV Nades. But a proto swarm only does so much damage and shoot so fast. A Gastuns BNR Forge gun? They shoot off every like 1.2 seconds, and hit for insane amounts of damage. My Surya got killed by one the other day, took 5 shots of it, he was the only guy hitting me, even though its a shield weapon, it still hurts quite bad.

Cmon other tank drivers, you know that the best fit of a Madrugar blaster vs the best fit of a Gunnlogi blaster, the gunnlogi can't win. Surya vs. Sagaris, is a bit different. But hey they are removing those and replacing them with a crap version, so we're screwed over anyways

"Welcome to AR 514, we have vehicles, but don't bother using them because they've been nerfed to paper. That huge stat sheet? Oh don't worry about that, that's just fluff to let people think the skills matter. That complicate fitting screen and all those dropsuits? Never you mind, just stick with a shield tanking Caldari assault suit and this Duvolle. Everything else is window dressing to attract people that want something other than CoD. Actually, this game is just a beta for the new CoD with all that stuff added as a placebo effect."

Innovation my @$$

Please remind me how long you've played this game?
Or are you just a "oh i got nerfed this build it's not like they'll buff it next build" *********

Personally, I don't think that matters, but if you feel like you deserve some kind of validation, I've been a customer of CCP for 5 years and have been tracking Dust 514 since it was an unnamed pre-alpha in 2009 where it was advertised as a tactical strafe and track FPS with tactical decisions likened to a RTS. Back then, there was no indication of the EVE connection it shares now but just a spinoff of the EVE universe. When Tyrannis came out, that's when things got real and this little unannounced alpha became Dust 514.

Is my opinion valid now?

I agree man. Like honestly LAVs, are a joke
A good dropship can get screwed by 2 dudes running AV
Heck, my Sagaris or Surya can get killed by 1 guy with good AV

But all the noobs that cry "Tanks are OP because my militia swarm can't kill them" are in the majority.

This thread is disappointing, there is no mention of the game referenced in the title.

Noob question but Madrugar? Gunloggi?

The point of the new enforcer class is long range and high damage.
Now, I cant say how well that will or will not work out, but you guys still have your standard tanks, which in my opinion are fine.
Takes a fair bit of work to take one down.

clearly there is a disconnect between the marketing team and the vechile development in dust. because in every trailer of dust there are like a million tanks and lav's and dropships in the game along with infantry. but the game punishes even the best pilots. WTF CCP there is no incentive for specing into any vechiles. This game has turned into COD.

clearly there is a disconnect between the marketing team and the vechile development in dust. because in every trailer of dust there are like a million tanks and lav's and dropships in the game along with infantry. but the game punishes even the best pilots. WTF CCP there is no incentive for specing into any vechiles. This game has turned into COD.

join the club.

i haven't met a single tanker who said they are going back to a tank after the respec (myself included). I'm not the negative type i always try to offer positive compromise and never simply say "this game is crap" but CCP dun goofed hard core.

where is the vehicle team? can we talk to them? maybe work this thing out a bit?
who is the vehicle team?
thread upon thread about balance of infantry V vehicle never that I've seen have we got dev feed back on the subject.

So...

What are these supposed nerfs that the HAV is getting?

I see plenty of people complaining about it, but no one will actually say what's happening.

Well, its basically everywhere. Uprising will bring more AV weapons (Plasma cannon, jeez, even flaylock maybe).
Also, as seen in a post I cant recall its link or name, they leaked some info about "Enforcer" tanks.
This enforcer tanks were supposedly "marauders", but they are standard militia tanks that cost 1.2M, which is total bullshit of the amount of HP, PG, CPU, etc. That tank had.

So unless CCP does something right before may 6, tanking will be gone.

the main issue is the twitch players that we dont need, turning this game into a twitch game will only force the real gamers to leave.

join the club.

i haven't met a single tanker who said they are going back to a tank after the respec (myself included). I'm not the negative type i always try to offer positive compromise and never simply say "this game is crap" but CCP dun goofed hard core.

where is the vehicle team? can we talk to them? maybe work this thing out a bit?
who is the vehicle team?
thread upon thread about balance of infantry V vehicle never that I've seen have we got dev feed back on the subject.

Personally, I'm pretty sure vehicles are going to remain borked until capacitor gets implemented. I remain hopeful.

After capacitors are added:

CoDer -"Wahhhhh! This tank can keep his hardeners on forever! I don't want to spec into nosferatu, I want to use my AR and Militia Missiles! Wahhhhhhhh! I'm going to quit and go back to Black OPs 16!!!! WAAHHHHHHHH!"

CCP- "NERF!"

Dust 514 community- CoD PEOPLE GTFO ALREADY!!!!!!!

When's the new CoD coming out?

Noob question but Madrugar? Gunloggi?

Dude. If you go Blaster vs. Blaster on a fully fit gunnlogi and madrugar, the madrugar will win. I've looked at every possible option for shield tanks to win, and pretty much head on they just don't. Armor swallows the bullets and the shield cant take as many hits.
Same with railgun on railgun, fully fit rail madrugar and fully fit gunnlogi with railguns the madrugar will take usually 3-4 hits and the gunnlogi will die after the 2nd, and if not, then the 3rd. Armor wins again there.
Missle vs. Missle, i have no idea, even though i use missles, i have never had a shield missle against an armor missle tank fight. I think this is the only scenario where a shield tank would beat the armor counterpart.

And swarms hurt yeah. So do AV Nades. But a proto swarm only does so much damage and shoot so fast. A Gastuns BNR Forge gun? They shoot off every like 1.2 seconds, and hit for insane amounts of damage. My Surya got killed by one the other day, took 5 shots of it, he was the only guy hitting me, even though its a shield weapon, it still hurts quite bad.

Cmon other tank drivers, you know that the best fit of a Madrugar blaster vs the best fit of a Gunnlogi blaster, the gunnlogi can't win. Surya vs. Sagaris, is a bit different. But hey they are removing those and replacing them with a crap version, so we're screwed over anyways

a) new weapon is garbage
b) how tht work out for u last time we met
c) armor is cheaper but does not win tank fights.