So a thread complaining about something you dont even intend to use, brilliant. I knew DUST forums would be the place to see new QQ variants. Its like watching a new creature being born.

So say you want to go minmatar heavy right off the bat

oh, you can't. So now, if you want to play heavy, you HAVE to go at least into Amarr large frame dropsuits. now say you want at least a type II dropsuit to tide you over (with NO racial or class benefits)

SO you spend the 150k just for a workable suit. now a few months down the road, after you keep getting your butt kicked by proto assaults and proto logis (because they far outclass the generic suits), yay, victory, you can now spec into that minmatar heavy suit.

so... take a small SP hit, and a huge KDR/stats hit, vs. not playing a heavy.

HMM

Welcome to world of assault/logi suits!

Hmm, didn't figure I'd be alone on this. Why is it so much to ask for CCP to postpone the respec, or give us a true "last one" later when all the races have a representation from each of the frame sizes?

It's like if CCP released the battleship for only the amarr class, then made a game mode that favored a battleship that made you a ton of ISK and LP (or otherwise incentivized people to get battleships), then told people they would later get a battleship for each other race as well. just.. soon. (anywhere between a month, and 6 months), However, there is also awesome content coming for frigates, destroyers, cruisers, and battlecruisers, which all have all races represented.

Are you going to spec into battleships just to do this content that really meshes with you? or are you just going to spec into a cruiser or whatever, and just ... "settle"?

Ok, now imagine you are an ADD FPS player. are you going to sit around and tell yourself "ehh, I can wait another 3 months to earn enough SP to get into that other dropsuit.. i'm cool with waiting"

Not. going. to. happen. Put it this way, I may be complaining now, just wait until the final core heavy/scouts come out. These forums are going to catch on fire.

The problem is you're not supposed to consider yourself just a heavy player but a heavy amarrian or a heavy caldari player for example. The two suits would play differently to the point you have to decide which one to rather play and which support skills you need to prioritize in order to make it work well.

Doesn't CCP do partial respecs in EVE? So when more Heavies come out won't it be safe to assume they'll refund all SP you spent in Amarr Heavy and Amarr Sentinel?

I honestly would love to play a heavy, but it's just not a viable class right now ( and I don't see it becoming one any time soon ). It's a shame too, because it's such a fun class to use.

Hopefully it will be at some point.. The question is, what do you do UNTIL then?

Safe to assume? Until CCP confirms it, I'll be a cynical SOB about it, and assume not.

I want my Caldari Scout suit.

Even my Amarr allies don't have any I can borrow, which would hurt less than paying either an enemy or an enemy of my ally for their Scouts.

I mostly run Caldari and Amarr characters, because I like their style more, and if I want to go Heavy, I can at least say I'm getting the suits from my allies. With Scouts, which I prefer to run, I've got two options I'd prefer not to take, and no good choice.

So say you want to go minmatar heavy right off the bat

oh, you can't. So now, if you want to play heavy, you HAVE to go at least into Amarr large frame dropsuits. now say you want at least a type II dropsuit to tide you over (with NO racial or class benefits)

SO you spend the 150k just for a workable suit. now a few months down the road, after you keep getting your butt kicked by proto assaults and proto logis (because they far outclass the generic suits), yay, victory, you can now spec into that minmatar heavy suit.

so... take a small SP hit, and a huge KDR/stats hit, vs. not playing a heavy.

HMM

Welcome to world of assault/logi suits! This is why i'm complaining. "equal rights" if you will.

I don't care that new weapons, new frame variants, and all that are coming out down the road. I accept that. thats fine.

But i find it unacceptable that we can't even play with the core heavy/logi/assault/scout of each class.

How do you justify launching a game that favors one suit type over the others? or specific races over the others?

Wouldn't it be better to not make your unsuspecting customers not waste their time on a suit, only to find out a few months later this is a (potentially) better option for them now? Grats on wasting all that time grinding for that dropsuit that you're hardly ever/never going to use again!

It's a first world problem, for sure. But a problem none the less.

Idk, it just seems like such an obvious decision, and if they don't you won't see any of the new heavy suits used by players anytime soon considering how much SP it takes now.

I imagine we can get an official stance by CCP on this subject soon without all the complaining because we're assuming they won't do anything about it. Only you won't get a response right away because there is currently a skill point reallocation about to take place and CCP probably doesn't want to confuse others out there by introducing a new one that only affects specific skills.

.. or at least not spend SP until CCP decides to fully release the CORE CONTENT of this game.

keep in mind, this information is just from the eye of the public, but it's made the most sense so far.

Dropsuit command: 1x (irrelevant really, since IDK if you have to get it to 5, you probably don't)
{Racial} {Size} Dropsuit: 8x (same as it currently is)
{Racial} {Class} Dropsuit: 10x (here's the kicker)

So basically, from what I understand (based on posts in the first few pages of this thread) is, The prototype suits we have now (in chromosome) will be basically the "generic" suits we get in Uprising for just going Racial Size dropsuit. I.E. Going Caldari Medium dropsuits to 5 will net you the same proto suit you currently have, for the (assumption!) same amount of SP. However, it will not be called an "assault" or "logi" suit, it will be just a regular medium frame dropsuit. in order to go full specialization, you will have to pay an extra 3.1m SP to "specialize".

(I use caldari for my example, but i'd assume it would be similar for all races, just a generic assault/logi "hybrid" dropsuit, with a few equipment slots (more than assault, less than logi), and a "generic" tank/speed/CPU/PG.

In total, it will cost you 5,596,550 (disregarding the dropsuit command skill) to get you into ONE specialized dropsuit.

Here's the wonky, unfair part. Heavies. (and scouts to a slightly lesser degree)

Until they release the final BASE dropsuit racial variants (in what has been termed "SOON... no Gäó") for Heavies and Scouts, if you want to be fully functional in these classes, you are going to be in the same exact boat CCP put us in in chromosome into uprising. But worse. because this time, in order to get the best out of your class, you are going to have to spend 5,596,550 SP instead of 2.5m! the extra 3.1m SP is going to take you roughly 6 weeks, or a month and a half of grinding WITH FULL BOOSTERS to get. and even then, once you get the new suits, you're going to be stuck with another races suit that just... sits there (assuming you don't want amarr...)

The only solution I can see for CCP to keep it fair is to do yet another respec, and they said that isn't going to happen.. sooo.. This is just not really "fair" (even by New Eden's standards). So, since your only options are to play, or not to play, I'd say just don't play heavy or scout, use an alt for a while, grind in militia... basically just wait for CCP to .. "catch up".

Unless CCP chimes in and proves we are wrong. which would be great, but odds are this is close to how it's going to be. Just terrible. I feel for my heavy/scout merc friends. Sure the heavy is getting a slight "buff", but it's also getting the biggest gimp of all. Pidgeon-holing.