um.... how can there be range issues if all guns have shorter range now?

It's just back to day 1 of open beta as far as balance between HMGs and ARs. They aren't nerfing the range at all on the base stats.

I'm sorry I was told that the base range on HMG is going to be shorter almost to the point of a SMG. Could you send me a link?

Their primary focus right now should be establishing a solid voting platform to move into the future with, and I think we should do what we can to help push that along. While I think it's important for the CPM members to have a say and express their opinions over certain things, I think they have much bigger fish to fry right now. Also keep in mind that the CPM is pretty small at the moment (6 players? as opposed to the 14 of CSM?)

CCP actully think voting systems don't work, no joke.

Isn't the CSM voted in?

O.o

So I am bring it up to you guys, how will you proceed with helping Heavys be a useful suit again if nerfed hard on May 6th?


Thank you

Simple - HMG puts the extra range to better use then any other weapon.

So about about the lack of skill to increase the range of weapons in Uprising. We all know that when that info hit the forums, guys, the heavy community reacted to these news with the sort of knee jerk reaction which, while understandable, is extremely uninformed at best and let me tell you exactly why. At this moment the sharpshooter skill combined with sharpshooter proficiency skill will increase your range by 40%. Now let's be exact here guys because it's the % symbol that's important here and we all know how percentages work. That knowledge combined with the fact that the BASE range of weapons like the AR and the laser is much greater than the base range of the HMG means that when it comes to concrete meters, we start to notice that it's the AR and laser that gain much more from the existance of the range increasing skills. You see where I'm going with this, right? Well guys, the fact of the matter is that the range of the HMG will in fact receive a relative boost next build.

Now I promised you guys some deeper thoughts on what I believe is going on here with this whole heavy suit debate but before that let me just lay one thing out there for those guys who don't know much about me. I've gone on record on this before and I'm gonna say it again: The slot configuration of the proto heavy is total horse crap! It needs to be changed! But here's the other thing guys: If you think for one second that heavies are going extinct just because of BS slot configuration guys, well I would say that's horse **** too! I know top notch heavy guys who have made it work this build and mark my words when I promise you that they're gonna make it work during the next build too!

What I personally believe is at work here is that we have a portion of the heavy community who have failed to grasp the concept of the heavy suit. Pure and simple. I'm talking about the limitations, opportunities, strenghts and weaknesses, the whole damn deal guys. So before you guys get all excited about turning dudes into hamburger meat with your big gun, realise that you won't be out maneuvering assaults or scout anytime soon. This is not Call Of Duty fellows. This is a thinking man's video game so go out there, be a student of the game and make your decisions accordingly.

I'm sorry I was told that the base range on HMG is going to be shorter almost to the point of a SMG. Could you send me a link?

From hearing it by my own Heavys and those IGÇÖve rolled with in match, they are all changing their tunes come May 6th due to range issues and other nerfs coming their way. GÇ£My HMG will be nothing but a big sub machine gun after this buildGǪGÇ¥ said one of my members.

So I am bring it up to you guys, how will you proceed with helping Heavys be a useful suit again if nerfed hard on May 6th?


Thank you


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From hearing it by my own Heavys and those IGÇÖve rolled with in match, they are all changing their tunes come May 6th due to range issues and other nerfs coming their way. GÇ£My HMG will be nothing but a big sub machine gun after this buildGǪGÇ¥ said one of my members.

So I am bring it up to you guys, how will you proceed with helping Heavys be a useful suit again if nerfed hard on May 6th?


Thank you


EDIT: This post is still looking for a reply https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=70968

Hmmmm well all I can go off of was the live stream. It seemed like HMG are back to open beta range. I mean my alt in Zion had over 40% boost to HMG range, so I can see how it would feel like a huge nerf to have that removed.

But everyone would also train up SMGs to plus range and own with them too. Now you need to get closer to people with these two weapons I guess. Which is good becuase the HMG is a minmatar weapon, and the minmatar heavy should be much faster than the other suits.

I am of the thought that HMG will be more powerful in it's AO. I plan on losing all of my assault skills and putting my full 5 mil SP into FG, HMG and Amarr heavy. With everyone needing to come closer to get me, my HMG is going to chew them up. No longer will ARs and LR be able to gun you down from across the map and while LR will still have an advantage I will have more armor and they will be 10% less damaging to me due to weaponry change. Also HMG and AR optimal will be closer in value due to maths, the maths are god and I will pray to the math gods as my Amarr 'Templar' heavy suit carries me to glory.

lol, good luck. the current 6 month trend says we heavies get shafted again

No more godly shotgun kills :(

Correct me if I am wrong but 5% of a larger number will be more than a lesser number. So the removal of sharpshooter would affect an AR user more than a HMG user given they have the same sharpshooter skill right now, and the LR and sniper even more so. Or am I not using the right maths?